Can somebody please explain the point of this update (besides the sprites). Why make elevators free, why implement this atrocious new heat system and why pretend to remove ce from crafting?
What was the point of these changes except to make the game even more tedious and grinding oriented than before ?
This Update. Why ?
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 15:18
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 15:30
#2
Pretend to remove CE from
Pretend to remove CE from crafting? I have over 30 5* orbs of alchemy...they DID remove CE from crafting. Maybe you should actually play the game a little bit before making yet ANOTHER new whining thread.
some people...
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 15:37
#3
Yes they did
Good for you, you probably have a lot of time to grind levels in elite mode but a lot of us don't. When crafting several items at once, you run out of these orbs pretty fast, especially if you are crafting 3* or 4* gear. They sell these orbs in the depot with ce for a reason, they know people can't rely on radom drops, so yeah ce is stil pretty much necessary for crafting. Every time I go into haven I see players going around begging or looking to buy these orbs.
Also if you think people don't need ce anymore, then why hasn't the price dropped at all ?
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 15:39
#4
1. Before someone HAD to buy CE or you'll be stuck at 2* (3*, if you grind Royal Jelly and get the Brute Jelly gear) forever. It was not completely free to play. Now, you can actually advance without paying a single cent. Paying speeds up the process.
2. This new heat system, in my opinion, serves multiple purposes. One, they need a new way to generate revenue. They do it through the form of Fire crystals. If you don't want to spend max fire crystals for forging, the chance of fail is there, so if you're impatient to grind enough that is your own fault. Two, this is to encourage playing the game than instantly skipping everything. Remember the old system? People could give you heat and you could instantly level a 5* item within one FSC run. There was "no work" required to "achieve" it. Now you actually have to "work" for it.
In my opinion, I don't find fire crystals hard to get. True, I use up a ton at once, but I can get it all back within 2 hours. Just know where to grind and how. I also think this amount is just about right. At level 7+, a 4-5* item could potentially use the entire amount of heat from FSC just to get by one level. It's not too much nor not too little, just about right. Kudos, OOO.
You have not mentioned it but I'll assume so:
3. Revive system. imo this system is a lot more forgiving. That one death because you lagged into fire? Free revive. Skilled enough and made it through the level without requiring it? Here, have full hp to start the next level with. Sparks of Life are actually more common than Orbs of Alchemy, mind you. If you are dying too much, you are either way out of your tier or playing on Elite- Then don't. Stick to normal. If you are still failing on normal and blowing through too many Sparks of Life even though you are appropriately equipped, then Vog help you.
Removing energy costs, I admit, took out half the fun of the game. I could grind as much as I want now, without worrying about profit. I don't need to wait for mist anymore. I don't need to worry about running on CE. Most importantly, this gives an incentive to do other missions other than Farmstorm Citadel and Royal Grinding Palace and all that. Arcade has also been somewhat revived.
It's not grinding orientated if you do not wish it to be. You can still buy everything as you wish. Some systems have changed, such as the Heat system, but then why not? Because you can no longer just make it fully heated within 2hours? Now THAT would be hardcore grinding. Take it slow and easy, look at the broader aspect of things. I'm going so far as to say this is by far one of the best patches they ever released.
EDIT: The current CE price is that way because of the Accessory sale on Supply Depot. It was only 6.8k like, a day ago.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 15:40
#5
CE plummeted until they
CE plummeted until they released those accessories in the supply depot. It was around 5,300 cr per 100 CE for a bit there.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 15:56
#6
Reply
1 - People had a full mist tank every day, I personaly never bought ce to do levels but only to craft and I didn't feel like it was particulary slow leveling up.
2 - So you admit the new heat system requires some sort of payment. The old heating system did require work but it was free, not everyone has access to fsc to level their gear so rushing item levels was not possible. Now there is no more work involved than before, there are just new limitations. Financial ones, and the fact that in the most popular levels that give the most heat ( FSC ) there is no way to heat an item more than one level per ENTIRE run because there isn't the possibility to forge while playing.
This new heating system has slowed leveling up considerably, you say it yourself you get back all your crystals after going up one level in 2 HOURS. That is a long time.
3 - No problem with the new revive system, except it's less team oriented.
yes it doesn't have to be grinding oriented and I can just stroll around at leasure in the same levels I've been playing for 2 years without worrying about elevator costs. HOWEVER, you say it yourself, heat now requires grinding for several hours just to bump up one level on one weapon.
This update has simply slowed down the pace of the game considerably, it's supposed to be fun and grinding for hours in the same levels just to get heat is not.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 16:06
#7
Dunno if you were too slow or have very little time to play the game. I could burn a full mist tank in less than an hour by doing quick small levels.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 17:30
#8
Sounds like you want
Sounds like you want everything handed to you on a silver platter. Or at LEAST made to suit your wants. Pay $5 and play on the test server when its up. Get all your free stuff there.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 17:36
#9
I dont agree that the game is now
grind oriented.
I actually believe that this system is better, because it allows people to focus on enjoying the game and playing the levels to progress.
The pay to advance option is still there. it just takes more mouseclicks than before.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 18:58
#10
2 HOURS. That is a long time.
You clearly do not have the luxury of playing the game in the same way as others do.
One FSC run is about 40 minutes on average.
People do over 10. I mean like seriously. That's insane >_>
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 19:09
#11
We were all blinded by greed,
We were all blinded by greed, that is how we were able to do 10 FSC runs a day, 7 days a week.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 19:38
#12
Case in point, 2 hours is really not that long when you look at the average playtime of those guys.
Fri, 08/09/2013 - 22:49
#13
Fire Crystals kind of drop
Fire Crystals kind of drop like candy, especially in Elite. I got somewhere between 70-100 of the 5* ones from the freebies given out the day Sprites were released and have over 500 without grinding. FSC alone gives 100+ normally on Elite if I remember right. Yes, if you play on Advanced they'll drop a little less often but they are by no means hard to get.
Also the Forge can be accessed in town or at any arsenal stations. Meaning you CAN level gear while in the Clockworks, just not in boss strata or Treasure Vaults.
Alchemy Orbs drop more rarely than Fire Crystals, but often enough that somebody taking their time will find plenty to upgrade their gear. If not they can be bought from the Supply Depot for the exact same price as upgrading gear used to cost. And quite honestly if somebody was strictly F2P before they would have spent the same amount of time grinding Crowns to turn into CE to upgrade gear as they will hunting Alchemy Orbs. Only they may get lucky on the Orbs and find 3 in a single run... you'd never get enough crowns to equal 300-700CE (assuming full Mist) in a single run.
~Gwen
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 00:22
#14
I don't know what it says...
But I think if you go on latest updates on the front page or on the game when it pops up 'Freedom to explore!' if you click on it, it will tell you about it and why they implemented it.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 00:50
#15
My god, how can people be so blinded by greed that they completely eschew fun? Isn't that the entire POINT of a video game?
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 05:06
#16
+1 to any and every post here
+1 to any and every post here that negatively describes the Forge.
-1 to any and every post here that positively describes the Forge.
And every post that complains about people complaining about the game not being fun, it's because the developers are continuing to make it a bad game (e.g. The Forge).
Have I mentioned that the Forge is a bad thing yet?
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 05:31
#17
cirno, would you please stop spamming the comments? we already know you hate the forge.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 05:35
#18
I will stop when 'we'
I will stop when 'we' includes OOO, and 'you' includes everyone sane that isn't OOO.
If I wanted your opinion, I'd buy you a brain.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 06:58
#19
"1. Before someone HAD to buy
"1. Before someone HAD to buy CE or you'll be stuck at 2* (3*, if you grind Royal Jelly and get the Brute Jelly gear) forever. It was not completely free to play. Now, you can actually advance without paying a single cent. Paying speeds up the process."
[Horsefeathers]. I got all my gear to 4* before using nothing but mist and crowns to buy CE.
Now, I can't even craft my gear with Orbs that never drop.
I got tired of farming gaining no heat because my items are maxed, no crystals because they're too stupidly rare(And you need way too many), and no orbs for the same reason.
I spent $25, held on it as much as I could, but eventually I just got tired. 4 days without a single orb drop? (except one eternal I have currently no use for)
Screw it, I used my CE on the depot.
BEFORE you could progress without paying. I know, because I did. Farm crowns, get mats, buy CE, craft.
Now? Not a chance. Farm crowns, get mats, no crystals, no orbs.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 07:14
#20
I see people claiming that
I see people claiming that hoarding isn't a form of fun. Fulfilling your sense of greed can be quite entertaining.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 07:14
#21
/reply Cirnothebaka
The Forum rules state that you should not:
Post spam or other nonsense that disrupts the forum's formatting, functionality, or usability, including quote pyramids or "bump" posts.
Saying that you hate the forge on a dozen threads is in violation of the above rule. I'm not saying I like the forge, before you say anything about that, I'm just saying stop it.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 07:35
#22
cirno, prepare for an eternity, becuase that will never happen. also, calling someone brainless is not a way to encourage someone to join your side. but again, it you wanted my opinion...
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 08:06
#23
@Privateriem Please, if you don't mind, go find a source that backs up your claim.
I know you can "buy CE" with crowns. That's trading. Where does this CE come from?
OOO's not putting it there. No, it's not generated by the game. Someone out there in the world bought it with real money and put it up for trade.
You can't craft your gear because you can't find orbs? Why don't you just go buy the same CE and buy the orbs from Supply Depot?
You can't find any fire crystals? Have you tried grinding the missions on Elite? They are raining like candy and I always get enough to level up my item with max forge in 2hours.
Who said you can't "buy CE" with crowns now? It's still on the trade menu, silly.
Get your facts right before making a rant post, seriously.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 08:09
#24
@gravelord, thunder and that
@gravelord, thunder and that one other person
Freedom of speech and the right to protest.
*copy pastes what I said to thunder*
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 08:16
#25
I never bought CE to get my
I never bought CE to get my 5* gear because I started merchanting early (started out by buying mats cheap and selling em in ah, a good 30k an hour before I could do vana). The only way OOO makes money is selling CE. As we saw after the update, the CE market crashed. I had 12k CE which was most of my savings. Instead of panicking and selling my CE I knew there would be another purpose for CE other than orbs. What happens? Accessories come out in supply depot. And I don't think this will be the only time. So my suggestion is sell your monster pockets, shadow accessories or trade them for uv'd stuff since they rarely tend to descend in value.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 08:23
#26
/reply Cirnothebaka
Freedom of speech and the right to protest.
Then why not make your own thread and exercise your rights there, instead of going onto several threads and making the same half-relevant rant? If you're going to rant, then go the whole hog.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 08:27
#27
/reply Gravelord-Caste
"Then why not make your own thread and exercise your rights there, instead of going onto several threads and making the same half-relevant rant? If you're going to rant, then go the whole hog."
>rant
"+1 to any and every post here that negatively describes the Forge.
-1 to any and every post here that positively describes the Forge.
And every post that complains about people complaining about the game not being fun, it's because the developers are continuing to make it a bad game (e.g. The Forge).
Have I mentioned that the Forge is a bad thing yet?"
If you think this is a rant, go see my post on the update discussion thread.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 08:33
#28
Pig, they made the game so
Pig, they made the game so that you can pay to quicken the process of getting to end game and 5* gear, or you can grind/farm for the orbs, Fire crystals, and sparks of life.
What you're asking for is for OOO to give you a free way to quicken the process. For them, its a business and we are their costumers. If they give everything away for free, they don't make money.
You also mentioned that they made the game take longer. Of course they did. Its a really smart move. It will make people more likely to buy CE in two ways.
1. People don't want to farm for hours on end to get the next level gear. So they whip out a credit card and pay $20 for some CE and buy their way to the next level or 2.
2. People spend a lot of time on the game and really enjoy it, maybe have even gotten 5*. They feel like they should contribute to OOO for making such a great game that they have spent hours and hours of free time enjoying, so they buy some CE to get an accessory or 2 and give OOO some support for the game.
You're complaining that a business is trying to make money. You do realize that right?
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 08:46
#29
/reply Cirnothebaka
Ranting, complaining violently, whinging loudly, I don't care what you call it, my point still stands: Go the whole hog. People might not like you for it, but it'd've probably been a better alternative to spam.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 09:11
#30
Pffff
Developers don't listen
Pffff
Developers don't listen to hogs...
That's just not how they work .-.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 09:24
#31
My point is = Why fix
My point is = Why fix something that isn't broken ? Didn't they make enough money before this update ?
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 09:27
#32
Because when they got rid of
Because when they got rid of CE crafting, they needed a new way to make money. It's pretty simple, you just want everything to be really easy.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 09:42
#33
energy is still required for
energy is still required for the extra 2 slots of weapons and trinkets
that's a big thing in SK :l
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 14:27
#34
Are you deliberatly avoiding
Are you deliberatly avoiding the question ???? WHY change the heating system, WHY make elevators free and WHY change the crafting system ? What was wrong with the way it was before ? All I'm getting here is "Urrr you're just too lazy to play several hours a day like the rest of us".
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 18:16
#35
Well, Pigtaile, the game was
Well, Pigtaile, the game was loosing players, and not gaining new ones. The old SK drove away people; majority of people hated the mist system. For the small minority that thought the game was fine before, like yourself, you're just the small minority, who mostly consists of an introvert-ish community who played most of the content of the game in solo.
Sat, 08/10/2013 - 18:28
#36
Thank you Bushido for
Thank you Bushido for actually answering my question.
Although I don't get how can define some players as "introvert-ish" and some not. It's a video game .__.
1. Money.
2. To keep altdraggers and other alt-abusers from unbalancing the economy. Heat changes are to make leveling equipment take actually playing, free elevators and alchemy changes are to remove mist energy from the game, thereby removing alt-abuser's source of free energy.
Heat isn't that bad, actually. It's nowhere near as bad as the removal of health-sharing.