Spiral Knights - Improving, Fixing and Innovating

Improving, Fixing and Innovating

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Fri, 08/16/2013 - 05:23

Hymura

Let us put aside the old politically correct pablum and get straight to the point. xD

[1] IMPROVEMENTS (to make whats already good even better)

Auction House filter - Make it so we may use a filter "Sort (Variant)"
Enemy reading - Make it so we may still see the name/weakness box of our enemies without auto-target on
Feeding - Make it so we may always feed our pets at the start of every depth
Forging - Make it so we may always be able to level up our heated gear at the start of every depth
Lockdown waiting list - Make it so we may see how many players are waiting/playing on each Tier
Loadout edit - Make it so we may edit the name of our existing Loadout

[2] FIXES (to stop whats bad)

Battle Sprite command reaction - Make it so our pets use the skill we command without failing
Crash return to Haven - Make it so we don't crash at certain point of a mission/run and end up getting back to town
Snarbolax bell - Make it so it stop not working

[3] INNOVATIONS (to bring nice and new things to the game)

Auction House pricing - Make it so we may choose between crowns and/or energy price(s)
Chat retention - Make it so we may choose not to let someone hear us
Cast rate bonus - Make it so we may have faster pet skill casting bonuses on trinkets/UVs/Harnesses
Friend note - Make it so we may write note on our friendlist so it may help us never forget who they are
Unbinding accessories - Make it so we may unbind our accessories

Fri, 08/16/2013 - 12:57

Thunder-The-Bright

search for hex's list of small suggestions.
[1]
1 ok
2 if you don't use auto target you should already know the nemies weaknesses; besides, there is a target key, "toogle auto target". you have to press it continuously, but it shows the weaknesses.
3-4 only depths that don't have arsenal stations are boss depths and treasure vaults. since treasure vaults are not the problem, the answer is stopping grinding bosses.
5 ok.
6 just equip the loadout, make another one, then cancel the existing one.

[2]
1 if without failing is that always hit, it's not a bug. if without failing is press=action, it's either lag, or you making too many things at a time. try to stop a bit before attaccking with the sprite.
2 well, that doesn't sound like a problem OOO can resolve. it's your computer that crashes.
3 does not compute.

[3]
1 that would require an active system of monitoring prices of ce, so that the price in ce is not lower of the previous price in crowns due to ce price lowering. lag on lag, in a few words. just sell ce.
2 ignore-> say thing-> unignore.
3 sprites don't need this. if you want to aim easyly with instacast, you can't. aim well before shooting.
4 know your friends instead of making friends anyone. but that's not gonna work, so ok.
5 and the accessory market is destroyed, unless unbinding prices makes it not worth it.

Fri, 08/16/2013 - 12:58

Thunder-The-Bright

oops.

I swear I touched the save button once.

Sun, 08/18/2013 - 04:10

Hymura

My comments to your reply are in strong txt

[1]
1 ok
2 if you don't use auto target you should already know the nemies weaknesses No, I don't use autotarget because its an annoying thing; besides, there is a target key, "toogle auto target". you have to press it continuouslyExactly why I don't like it, but it shows the weaknesses.My suggestion is still ok, you got lost in your reply. And theres a reason why I wrote simple suggestions. They speak for themselves. ¬¬
3-4 only depths that don't have arsenal stations are boss depths and treasure vaults. since treasure vaults are not the problem, the answer is stopping grinding bosses.I wasn't expecting for an answer. I'm suggesting being able to do so so we don't need to go up and get back to party when leveling stuff. Its the same idea of the sparks of life before fixing update. Why would we have to kill ourselves at the end of the depth to get full health on the next floor if they can make that happen automatically? Again, they speak for themselves.
5 ok.
6 just equip the loadout, make another one, then cancel the existing one.Why? Thats a waste of time. Fractions of seconds to minutes, still a waste. So much better just to edit name. ¬¬

[2]
1 if without failing is that always hit, it's not a bug. if without failing is press=action, it's either lag, or you making too many things at a time Wrong. I press and wait. And nothing happens. try to stop a bit before attaccking with the sprite. Quite the pointless line. But I assume you were trying to remind yourself that.
2 well, that doesn't sound like a problem OOO can resolve. it's your computer that crashes.I'm not talking about the good old "disconnect crash". I'm talking about a bug that causes you to suddenly returns to Haven with no reason at all. And plz don't be so arrogant about others' computers.
3 does not compute. Priceless.

[3]
1 that would require an active system of monitoring prices of ce, so that the price in ce is not lower of the previous price in crowns due to ce price lowering. lag on lag, in a few words. just sell ce. Again you are missing the point. >.<
2 ignore-> say thing-> unignore. Ignoring makes you unable to read the player. But the player still reads you. And again...
3 sprites don't need this. if you want to aim easyly with instacast, you can't. aim well before shooting. Aim has nothing to do with reaction speed. Some enemies dash, burrow, teleport in a way faster pace then some of the pets skills casting rates can deal with.
4 know your friends instead of making friends anyone.What? O jeez...not again...the point is.... but that's not gonna work, so ok.lol
5 and the accessory market is destroyed, unless unbinding prices makes it not worth it.And taking things superficially will never get you anywhere, unless you learn how to understand the true meaning of the impacts these suggestions could provide

Sun, 08/18/2013 - 09:01

Thunder-The-Bright

[1]
2 in the first minutes of your gaming experience you should have used AT (it's default on), so by the time you aknowledge it can be deactivated you usually learn the enemies weaknesses.
3-4 my point still stands, you know. even if you level gear only in boss stratums. btw, that part of the update had the propouse to: 1 make you quit bosses 2 make your progression slower. it's working.
6 and what's the rush? it's 3-4 secs per loadout. it's not like you gotta do fast anything.
[2]
1 it's lag. really. at 1 bar connection you can't use sprites at all. it just continues pointing. if it's not lag, again, try to stop and then press.
2 well, that's new to me. never experienced that. how many times did you?
3 thanks for explaining.
[3]
1 well, tell me what is the point. if you can convert crowns to ce, it's useless to have the 2 currencies on the AH.
2 oops. my bad. well, yeah, but it seems difficult to implement.
3 even if you give ASI to a gun, enemies still dash away. same with pets.
5 there are accessories that are sold for millions of crowns. unbinding fees for not making them on the market again and again (so they don't lose rarity, so the AH fee works, or so that more people buy promos) must be very high. I know how the economy works.

Mon, 08/19/2013 - 05:38

Hymura

Lets agree to disagree.

[1]
2 - Suppositions. The first 2 minutes of my gaming experience allowed me to browse all over controls, settings, video and chat. And autotarget was disabled after that brief moment. So I wouldn't even be able to see the weakenesses of the first robots on the landing site. And when I started playing SK there wasn't such thing as weakenesses' display. This is a more recent feature.
3-4 - The update had the purpose of making me quit doing bosses? Hello! Earth to you, wakey wakey buddy! Wth are you talking about? Get some sleep before posting a reply! xD No, its not "working" as you said. Thats not happening. Everybodys still doing boss runs all the time, and even more now that the lifts are energy free! hahaha! This reply here of yours has totally made my day. =)
6 - You got hard-nosed on this one. Can't argue with your fixation on how useless it would be. Lets call it a discussion.
[2]
1 - And again...you stubborn guy... =)
2 - Funny thing? Happened to me again and to a friend of mine as well. His IGN is Round-One. Maybe he can testify.
3 - Sarcasm is great too! But seriously, taking the fact that your "does not compute" meant that the bell bug should not be taken into consideration I guess you're wrong (again, yes) because I made it crystal clear when putting that on "Fixing" topic. Therefore, it is a bug and should be fixed. Why not computing it? But taking the fact that you meant to say that it didn't have much importance then pal you have the 'Mistaken Bonus: Maximum' trinket on...
[3]
1 - Useless? So...lets see. We had many rare accessories on featured items at Supply Depot last week for around 3500 energy (some for 4000 and others for 3200). It temporarily became the parameter for all equal accessories on the market. Price would revolve around that amount. And thats exactly what the option of mixing crowns with energy when pricing (or just choosing any of them alone) would cause: a revolution that would give the market a new guide for pricing.
3 - Same as [1] 6 above.
5 - Now this is the only point I agree with you on all your disagreement lol. I decided to put that suggestion here but I wasn't sure if it would be such a good idea. Maybe if the unbinding prices were updated accordingly to accessories' rarities then it would be ok. But as we may have seen up to this point, the devs seem to take the guesswork out of the game. And I can only but thank them so much for that!

Mon, 08/19/2013 - 05:52

Hearthstone

You seem familiar... Aren't you the one who's been calling out for people to play T1 LD? :/

Anyways, a funny discussion-argument you guys have going here XD

Mon, 08/19/2013 - 06:27

Hexzyle

@Hymura

Enemy reading - Make it so we may still see the name/weakness box of our enemies without auto-target on
You can hold-toggle Auto Target using the assigned key.

Feeding - Make it so we may always feed our pets at the start of every depth
Every depth has an Arsenal Station, can't you do it there?

Forging - Make it so we may always be able to level up our heated gear at the start of every depth
Every depth has an Arsenal Station, can't you do it there?

Auction House pricing - Make it so we may choose between crowns and/or energy price(s)
And you just expect the person who's receiving the payment to just "deal with it", even if they wanted their payment in crowns, not energy?

Chat retention - Make it so we may choose not to let someone hear us
That's what private messaging is for

Unbinding accessories - Make it so we may unbind our accessories
You can attach accessories to equipment and trade them away. There is no need to unbind accessories as everyone gets the same things anyway.

Anything I didn't comment on was fine.

Mon, 08/19/2013 - 08:45

Thunder-The-Bright

[1]
2 if you are in the game from before UI update, you should know weaknesses. also, if you are here from before the UI update, you should know we were perfectly fine without those things.
3-4 nope, it's working. if you would stop grinding bosses a bit you would see lots of people in the arcade, or doing other missions that KoA/RJP/IMF. mostly becuase of fire crystals.
6 ok, quitting.
[2]
1 see above.
2 did I say funny? I don't recollect that. not even the forum does. I said new. well, if it's broken, fix it.
3 to me "does not compute" means "I do know know what the crappy heck you are taking about". convenience I say. and also sarcasm.
[3]
1 the sale almost destroyed the market because valuable accessories were sold at those prices. this won't have that impact, because it's the same thing to sell something with crowns or with ce (value is the same, I mean). well, it's the convenience of not writing too many numbers.
3 I would like to see how it would be useful. projectile speed it's not asi you know.
5 ok.

Mon, 08/19/2013 - 11:33

Hymura

Oooo-k.

@Skye-Lightning:
~Yes, I'm trying to bring it back to life since its the funniest Lockdown avaiable in my opinion (bunch of noob-geared people trying to kill each other? C'mon thats hilarious! Gotta love when you see a Stun Gun charge attack flying around hehe) and it seems kinda dead these days.
~And yep, its funny. I also liked how Thunder expressed his/her opinions. xD

@Hexzyle:
~1, 2, 3 and 5 - Read not only the first but the other posts too if you may.
~4 - Why would the person have to deal with it? The person (in that case you might be saying the buyer who gets to the Auction House, click on what he/she is looking for and then, willingly, buy it?) will accept whatever is placed at the Auctions. Its not likes its an alphabet soup or a box of assorted chocolates that you get to pick one in the dark. You see (hopefully) the auction before buying. No, don't change that! That system would continue to exist. =)
~6 - Err, so, that old "ok, now I finally got the accessory I wanted and I can put it on whatever gear I choose, me so happy! /yay /dance /sing /laugh /voicebecomeshoarse" thing would be...what? Pointless? Because all the items in the game are the same and theres no way we can put the accessories on different things? 2 things here: 1) I have a costume set that I've never seen before (gladly) and makes me feel one of a kind - and 2) Did you know that when you buy an accessorized item it becomes "sorta" more expensive? Ohhhhh, you remembered it! xD
~Awww, anything you didn't comment on is not fine. Where are them compliments?

@Thunder-The-Bright:
[1]
2 - Well, I do know all of their weakenesses. But I think it would be just cool seeing their names up there everytime we are dueling. Because it makes me feel good when I see it =) (and maybe that only happens because I get to see it not so oftenly. Well, in that case I guess I'll pass. I no longer wish that to change. You won!)
3-4 - Hey! Have you noticed how big the world has become lately? I mean, if you take a walk on a street you get to see a lot of people sitting on restaurants, catching movies, buying presents, taking a walk but if you go on a totally different street way away from the first one...you also see people stealing things, breaking car windows, selling drugs, doing public sex. Hey, its not like they have stopped doing bosses and moved to doing Arcade runs. Theres all kinds of people out there.

[2]
1 - Oh ya, I did. =) My reply is still the same. You little stubborn...lol
2 - Oh ok, that was my bad. I forgot to put it in complete sentence. I hate myself when I expect others to be smart-er. Was meant to say "The funny thing about this is that..." but I abreviated. My mistake.

[3]
1 - I disagree. But I'm evoking the "let's call it a discussion" power.
3 - Nooooooooooooooo! You were doing GREAT until now! Why, Lord (Vanaduke)? =( Where did you read anything about projectiles speed? Its the casting reaction speed I was talking about! Casting rate! No, its not about projectile speed. You ruined it all. =[
5 - Not ok! It would be if it wasn't for [3] 3! ~.~

Mon, 08/19/2013 - 11:34

#10

Mickmane

No and yes and shrug.

"[1] IMPROVEMENTS (to make whats already good even better)"

"Auction House filter - Make it so we may use a filter "Sort (Variant)""
I'm indifferent to this, I make my own stuff and don't look at gear on AH. (I'd like a drop down for favorites, so I don't have to type in every damn recipe/material/accessory/costume again every time.)

"Enemy reading - Make it so we may still see the name/weakness box of our enemies without auto-target on"
Yes! Everything else turns up when mouse is over it, just not that, and not with holding a bomb, autotarget on or not. I want to see the monster names of what I'm bombing without having to dig through Wiki.

"Feeding - Make it so we may always feed our pets at the start of every depth"
That's already possible in most levels. Boss lairs have no Arsenal Station for a reason (you're in THEIR home, no time to mess around with your gear/sprite/whatever).

"Forging - Make it so we may always be able to level up our heated gear at the start of every depth"
See my response to 'Feeding'.

"Lockdown waiting list - Make it so we may see how many players are waiting/playing on each Tier"
How many are waiting for each Tier would indeed be useful.
Also, if a friend is playing, I'd like to be able to click on him in the friend list and pick 'watch'. Instead of having to find him in the spectator menu.

"Loadout edit - Make it so we may edit the name of our existing Loadout"
Yes!
Used to be you could delete a loadout while wearing it, which made it easy to rename a typo'd one. Now that's no longer possible, so fixinig a typo is a real pain.

"[2] FIXES (to stop whats bad)"

"Battle Sprite command reaction - Make it so our pets use the skill we command without failing"
?
I'm not having a problem with that. The Thing just sometimes gets in a rut and starts the last ability again as soon as the countdown is over. (I believe it's been reported already, seen that mentioned somewhere.)

"Crash return to Haven - Make it so we don't crash at certain point of a mission/run and end up getting back to town"
I am not experiencing that.

"Snarbolax bell - Make it so it stop not working"
I have not experienced that. Is it a new bug?

"[3] INNOVATIONS (to bring nice and new things to the game)"

"Auction House pricing - Make it so we may choose between crowns and/or energy price(s)"
I'm indifferent to that, as long as it's the seller setting the currency, not the buyer.

"Chat retention - Make it so we may choose not to let someone hear us"
What for?
Use /tell if you have to. (Yes, everyone in whatever audience you want to be exclusive.)
Open a Steam Chat with everyone you want to talk with.

"Cast rate bonus - Make it so we may have faster pet skill casting bonuses on trinkets/UVs/Harnesses"
What do you mean by faster pet skill casting bonuses?

"Friend note - Make it so we may write note on our friendlist so it may help us never forget who they are"
Yes, that'd be nice. Same for ignored list.

"Unbinding accessories - Make it so we may unbind our accessories"
Shrug. I assume you mean taking them off stuff they're attached to. I guess if they then turn out bound to you, it'd be ok. (The ones from the sale are bound for a reason, after all.)
Almost; you can still attach them to unbound stuff. Hah, how about you can only attach bound accessories to bound equipment, and unbinding equipment destroys accessories, that way the work-around fails.

Tue, 08/20/2013 - 02:11

#11

Thunder-The-Bright

[1]
2 oh, well if it's just for coolness. you should have said that before. it has no utilty (for me), but I don't care about coolness. for now.
3-4 erm, yes they did? only 5* crystals are found in FSC, so all the others have moved to other things. I have never seen the arcade that populated. (I came shortly after missions were introduced). also, if you do crystal/mineral runs, you don't do FSC. they moved, in some way.
[2]
3 explain the bug! what the crappy heck are you talking ab- wait. you mean that, if you ring the bell 100 times, it eventually stops working? yeah, that's a feature. if another member of your party rings the bell, it resets to normal status. it's party friendly, and solo unfriendly. very, very unfriendily to soloers. except for the part where it resets when you die.
[3]
1 agree to disagree then.
3 ok, fine, it's not that. but again, even if you press the button and the sprite casts the skill instantly, you hit the things that dash away only if you are at an inch of distance. they dash away and you miss if you are at a further distance.

I like how this list is thinning.

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