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Return the old UI or make it an option.

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Fri, 08/16/2013 - 05:44
Semperverus

TL:DR; I'm upset about the new changes and have a lot of good reasons why. I want the old one back.

I'll begin by expressing that I absolutely despise this new user interface. I don't know what Three Rings was thinking. I've also not been playing for a while, so I have come back to a new and unexpected interface. As someone who broods over UIs and the importance of what they convey, I was not pleased.

First off, there have been major shifts in the design of user interfaces across most of computing. Skeuomorphism is being abandoned for a reason: It looks jarring and unappealing to a majority of users, myself included. While I would argue that Windows 7 handles skeuomorphism fairly well (not too much of it going on, very subtle and when necessary), things like the iOS interface is loathed by users everywhere by being overdone. Obviously with Linux it's completely the users's choice. Don't get me wrong, gradients are a good thing to use, but in modesty. (Win8 depresses me though.)

Spiral Knights had a good thing going, with the flat and clean layout. It didn't look dirty, morphed into something, and had a large amount of charm. I don't know what internal restaffing happened, or who decided that since there wasn't enough work to do elsewhere, redesigning the entire UI was a good idea, but it has been absolutely destroyed and made to look like plastic rather than a digital interface that matched the design of the Knights' faces. The staff internally refers to them as Tech Knights. Tech Knights indeed...

Secondly, the location of all the elements is all messed up. The health was originally in a very ideal location. I understand that moving the player's health to the upper left corner makes all other players' health visible at the same time while doing a self status check, but this detracts from the fact that monitoring one's own health has now become a horribly inefficient thing. Your eyes are centered on either yourself or something very nearby you at all times (except for when you're going for that long shot or running down an empty hallway). It takes fewer muscles and a lot less distance to glance down at the center of your screen for a self-status check.
There is now a shield bar for whatever inexplicable reason. The colors of your shield were more than enough to indicate when it was near breaking. I am a strong proponent of elements being visible on the character, and moving as much information into the environment to be read rather than on a bar. I get that you have both now, but the bar is distracting when doing a status-check, especially with the color choice. Which leads to my next point, which I will get to in a minute.
The location of the menu buttons is a bit odd now. Before, the menu would be a sort of dropdown, based on what you clicked. The button was at the top, and gave quick mouse access to the higher part of the window, which was typically the more important bits.
A personal gripe comes with the shift in location of the items/hotkey bar. I suppose it's fine on the bottom, but later down in this post, I'll try and make a point about it.

Other UI element design choices, starting with the color and length of the shield bar, are abysmal. Unless you have a lot of health and are at end-game, the shield bar is the first thing that draws your attention rather than your health. The sharp contrast of the blue against the red (not in the traditional color wheel sense, mind you. I know blue opposes yellow.) is jarring, with nothing physically separating them. Most games handle this by making both bars the same length permanently, and then just scaling the amount of points that fit into the bar. Other games handle this problem (like kingdom hearts) by making the bars both have an equal oportunity to scale, and in some cases games will do what KH does as well as make the lesser important bars MUCH thinner and a bit more of a pale color as not to draw the attention as quickly. (Kingdom Hearts had the odd challenge of balancing the meaning between both bars, as the player could inexplicably shift builds at any time, assuming their startup choice was balanced.)
The health indicator is now an actual bar, but for some reason keeps the old design of the pez icons. This conveys a very confusing message for me, and makes me wonder why the developers would expose sub-health-point granularity instead of keeping it as something that's a bit more mysterious. Individual health points that are fewer in number, yet larger in meaning, are a lot easier to track, and again add to the charm of the game. Harkening back to the old Zelda designs of individual hearts with only half-heart granularity, the game initially drew me in with these elements. I literally thought, "oh, awesome, a WindWaker artstyle in an MMO!" and was ecstatic that the developers were also big Nintendo fans. Your own opinions may vary of the company, but a lot of people playing this game also probably grew up playing a lot of Nintendo games.
And back to the menu buttons. I wasn't aware that we were shooting for World of Warcraft here. WoW had the exact same button design for the menu in the lower part of the screen. Tall, thin... pez-like shapes with little icons all standing in a row. Kinda sounds like an old health-indication system I used to love. I suppose you can't gripe too much about this, except that they need to be smaller. They take up a much larger screen real-estate than the old versions of the buttons did. I guess you can now fit more buttons here, but I'm burnt out on all these WoW clones.
Speaking of WoW clones, how many games have you seen put a hotbar of skills across the bottom before (As mentioned previously, I'm going to be making a point of this. Bear with me, as it's a bit of an aesthetics thing too)? Pretty much all of them. How many games have the little chicklet-shaped icons, with some kind of border, and are all minorly separated from eachother? Pretty much every MMO that came after WoW. Except maybe Guild-Wars 2, and they only pull ahead in the icon border decorations (there are none), although it is refreshing to see the flat, artsy design. I can think of another game that USED to have a unique look to the hotbar, but that's just a fading memory. If you're shooting for another World of Warcraft clone, then by all means go for it. I, for one, will not partake. Psychology is a powerful thing, and by dredging up memories of long hours dropped into a game that I don't want to ever return to (by saying "I" here, I intend to be generally inclusive of the gaming audience), you aren't doing yourselves any favors. Mainstreaming a game is an important thing to get more players, but I really don't think that this is not how it's done.

I could go on a bit more about this, but I'm a bit worn out just nitpicking the main screen. I might go on later about actual menus and that new pause screen, but for now I think I've expressed my opinion well enough.

My suggestion, as the title suggests, is to either make the old UI optional, or completely revert to it.

Fri, 08/16/2013 - 07:25
#1
Juances's picture
Juances

"There is now a shield bar for whatever inexplicable reason. The colors of your shield were more than enough to indicate when it was near breaking"

Shield bashing, and the fact that you don't have to raise your shield to see it.
I agree that we don't need the full bar. Just recolor the icon or make it 'fill'.

As for having hotkeys at the bottom "like a wow clone" it's because it works. Why? For the same reason you want your health bar there.

It's easier to see if abilities are on cooldown and wich vial is on wich slot. We can't have everything in one place.

With that in mind, the old UI can't just return. It's been obsoleted. Lacks display for new features. It won't be the same as you remember.

Fri, 08/16/2013 - 09:16
#2
Warp-Master's picture
Warp-Master
Quick side note about the

Quick side note about the health; the reason it was moved to a stacking bar was because by T3 it ended up looking utterly ridiculous because of the number of pips it had to display.

You make some good points and some somewhat invalid points. The destruction of distinct pips is an absolute travesty.

Fri, 08/16/2013 - 08:20
#3
Oskvion's picture
Oskvion
UI

Have no idea why people are making such a fuss about the UI. It came out a couple of months ago so its not "new" anymore, its time to adapt to it and move on. I have been playing since 2011 and I have absolutely no problems with this UI. Its easier to use than the other one. Face it, its never gonna come back, like it or not. You can whine and threaten to quit over it, but that isn't going to change things.

Sat, 08/17/2013 - 03:16
#4
Mickmane's picture
Mickmane
Yes!

I have NOT gotten used to this new UI, I just have no bloody choice.

I still find myself glancing at the spot below the minimap where crowns used to be shown, when gathering loot. Only to be disappointed that there's nothing there.

Activities menu is just plain annoying, I evade it whenever possible, but it just pops up on its own when I change location.

Only way to view my crowns (Arsenal) blocks the minimap.

Arsenal now blocks the minimap even when just looking at auctions, not just when I am at My Auctions.

Did they fix the party members blocking the whole left side, including chat, in LD yet?

Why is there a huge honking picture of myself in the top left corner?

There is no way to tell at what order people joined the party (maybe in social menu, but I want it at a glance, the order of people in the party corresponding with the oder of pictures at the TOP left).

I want to see how many Hp people have, not some indistinct bar that could mean proto or Ancient or anything in between.

I want to see my crowns and energy at all times. (Make THAT an option to slide out of view for whatever people agree with whatever the reason was that you hid it now.)

Put my health at the bottom where I can see it.

Fix that you need to have autoaim turned on to see monster description, and you don't get any when using a bomb. After all, you get descriptions hovering over everything else independent of Autoaim, why not monsters when it matters?

Give me an icon that shows what weapon I'm wielding. No, it's not always visible in my hand, and I don't want to have to switch to find out if I'm holding the one I want.

Elevator buttons have completely disappeared, and now there's a huge honking continue and a tiny quit. Can't you put the elevator buttons back and put that 'Quit' next to 'Up' for those who didn't get it?

Tue, 08/27/2013 - 00:05
#5
Occsters's picture
Occsters
prolly same

I'd say the latest UI is OK, I mean, like, I have started in 2012 of August 16, took a hiatus from between either October-December until July, I expect this UI, I miss these very old days... I got some pics of it from my older laptop, bit it died from the hinges and not charging, I will do the pics ingame in my newer one.

I like where the icons (sorta) kill the chat and have the left-side of your character in a circle, showing health *like in later UIs, I like the older one best*

Even the health bar/heat on the bottom, as well as the arsenal and all that are at the top-right corner.

The map was like, since I signed up last August, where Mist was around at the time.

Speaking of Mist, they are now Spark of Life, as of July 30, 2013.

I mean, I'm OK with the new one, but I like the older one the most for no reason. No, I mean both are amazingly about a 10/10 on average or whatever

I can't think up what to say, I missed the older one though.

Tue, 08/27/2013 - 00:40
#6
Xtweeterx's picture
Xtweeterx
Ugh... This again?

Ugh... This again?

Tue, 08/27/2013 - 00:42
#7
Xtweeterx's picture
Xtweeterx
You know you guys can just,

You know you guys can just, like, Take the time to settle in and get used to everything and how it works and plan out tactics how to do it instead of just blatantly complaining about it right out of the gate? I understand your reasoning. This UI has been here for almost 5 months -.- I'm using hotkeys more than usual.

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