I just got to vanaduke the other day and when I was doing elite, i got hit by one of the zombies and that took like 6-8 bars of health. I was told by one of my friends in the game that vog cub is the best swordsmen armor for vana (discounting snarbolax). So is it just that its not that high of a heat level (cap is 4 and armor is 8) or I'm not using it right or just that he gave me false info. Please help.
Vana gear
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 03:49
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 04:44
#2
so many threads
As you can imagine, there have been many, many threads about optimal gear for Firestorm Citadel. Try searching Google for something like "spiral knights forum FSC loadout".
The short version is: Optimal FSC gear protects from normal damage, fire status, shadow damage, and elemental damage. (There's also a tiny amount of stun and shock, but not enough to think about.) You're getting highly damaged by zombies because you have no shadow protection (and undead deal shadow). One solution is to get shadow armor, such as Dread Skelly or Fallen. Another solution is to not get hit by zombies. That advice sounds flippant, but zombies are slow enough that it's actually a reasonable goal to strive for.
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 05:03
#3
@Bopp
When тhe old threads were created, there wasn't Elite difficulty. All monsters do more "special" damage and the defender armors (Grey feather,Jelly and Skelly) become way more useful than the Plate and even the "normal" armors (like Vog Cub) because the normal defence becomes useless.
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 05:37
#4
good point
That's a good point. But has Vanaduke's damage type changed? Or does he still inflict a lot of normal? And zombies can still be dodged pretty easily.
I've run FSC a few times since the update, always on elite, and I didn't notice any practical change to how my armor functioned. Next time I will try to get hit more.
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 07:52
#5
No isssues
I've done FSC with Skolver and even Ash Tail armor. It's not that hard to dodge the zombies or shield bash them away.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 10:05
#6
Personally i think Dread
Personally i think Dread Skelly is the best for it(I have one set).I only take like 2 bars when slags hit me and im serious.Oh and about 4 when they jump on me.If u have the suit Full 5* level 10 fire med or high you are invincible. Brandishes and DA are the best for vana.But mostly Bradishes.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 18:13
#7
I think he said vog is
I think he said vog is because most people can handle the slags but its mainly the fire that sometimes kill them. I sometimes have a small lagspike and walk into shadowfire or into a slags fire breath. But if you have vog, the fire will deal less damage because vog has elemental defence and the last time I checked fire dealt elemental damage. Vogs fire resistance also shortens the time you are set on fire. Just try dodge attacks because slags are really slow.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 18:44
#8
focus in fire resistance
as we know, a lot of players have problems with the fire status, is a good idea have a fire-resistance set, there are many of them, and some of them hace pretty nice bonus for the weps. We must also have normal/elemental def if you are going to kill Vanaduke (he deals both of them)
for example, the vog cub is a nice one if you are a swordman in the party, it gives you a sword ASI very high, useful for 3 hit combos or havy swords. If you have problem with slag, try this: attack-shield-attack-shield-... you deal a nice ammount of damage and you don't have the final slash "cooldown" (example: divine avenger). A nice shield could be the crest (or dread skelly) for shadow ressistance, or the gray owlite for the LV. If you have no problem with dogding attacks, use the BTS, the medium sword dmg bonus is very useful if the party is big.
Another one is the Volcanic Demo if you are a bomber (shiver is vital in FSC). Their stats and the vog cub stats are the same, but with a bomb CTR very high instead sword ASI, so you can keep the slags and LV frost with the shiver, and you can use a dmg bomb.
An interesting set is the chaos (dmg bonus and CTR very high), but it have a very low status ressistance (trinkets can negate the downside)(i want to try it).
My set is the vog cub and the BTS, the glacius and a 2nd wep (blitz, shiver or a elem handgun. I use a sprite perk for CTR in the 2nd wep) and i can beat FSC with a friend with blitz very easy, even in elite. I focus in crowd control and freeze status. Shiver'em and charge the glacius, or freeze'em with the glacius and charge blitz at close range
In few words: elemental/shadow defense, fire resistance and use the bonus for your weps
P.S.: I don't have slots because i am poor (new vanguard) and a bit lazy.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 20:34
#9
I'm drunk on mango shaved ice yo
Screw defences, take a full chaos with asi trinks if you're using swords, or damage and asi if guns. Always take bts for the sword damage. Max out asi and damage and ctr and kill everything.
And don't get hit by anything unless you have a vitapod.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 21:10
#10
@Demonicsothe
Wouldn't you get more of a benefit from Swifty + Damage Trinket + ASI Trinket, than from BTS + 2x ASI trinkets?
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 21:55
#11
Pretty sure it depends on
Pretty sure it depends on your weapons. Not everything benefits from asi, and very little depends on asi over vh because at some point, you're shield cancelling the swing to back off from an attack with a heavy sword. Same thing with a 3 swing.
I guess the same thing could be said about damage, where extra bonuses won't help you kill a swing faster or a shot earlier.
But the loadout I gave is for hitting a high amount of bonuses with chaos gear. Vh damage/ctr on everything, max sword dmg with bts, vh asi for the swords, and a sprite slot for whatever you want. I usually take a trueshot since my weapons are usually da/btb/blitz for a solo vana.
Fri, 08/23/2013 - 13:39
#12
Pretty sure it's just me but...
I (Green-Twister, Troll-Lolo is an account I made for the forums) personally use Divine Veil+Vog coat, you get tons of elemental defense, good shadow defense and okay/good normal. You get sword ASI and Fiend Medium, good if you struggle with Trojans, or wanna finish them off a bi quicker. If you're a full swordie, you can mix Vog/Snarby, but using Divine Veil with any Wolver lime coat can get you through alot. I suggest Divine Veil and Snarby or Vog coat, or as people said, Dread Skelly has higher shadow def, so use that if you can't get Divine Veil or snarby.
Basically you want Normal + Elemental + Shadow + Fire + Bonuses for you fave wep.
You can search the forums for the hundreds of threads on FSC gear via Google, or look on the Wiki for gear info.
Sun, 08/25/2013 - 01:10
#13
My vana gear ^.^
Chaos Cowl
Chaos Cloak
Swiftstrike Buckler
5* Heart pendant
4* Heart pendant
Voltedge
Argent Peacemaker
Blitz Needle
Shivermist/Electron Vortex
Fire High Defense Perk using my Battle Sprite
maximum death: 1-2 ... depends on lag
I know chaos set is like no status resist at all, but its really easy to doge the fire traps and avoid getting hit by zombies...
anyways... that's my gear for vana.,
ENJOY!!!
Sun, 08/25/2013 - 04:24
#14
This is what I run with
Black Kat Cowl
Mercurial Demo
Swiftstrike Buckler
Swift Steps II
Elite Iron Harness
Deadly Crystal Bomb
Volcanic Pepperbox
Gotta go fast.
Sun, 08/25/2013 - 14:19
#15
i think snarbola is better than vog
i run with:
snarby set
crest of almire
elite quick strike
elite quick strike
leviathan blade
avenger
strike needle
zombies and trojans do more dmg to you than fire. elemental defense is weak against slegs, the best option for a swordmaster is a snarby set with fire uv and the fire pet perk.
Tue, 08/27/2013 - 21:27
#16
A little help?
I currently have a vog cup set, with the helm having shadow max. I was thinking of getting a coat with shadow max, but then I also thought that I could get a snarby coat with ele max and fire resist perk. Which is better?
Tue, 08/27/2013 - 21:36
#17
You don't need uv's
How much does a max defence status give? Something like half of a 5*? It really isn't going to save you all that much. Get the snarby coat if you have access to it.
Wed, 08/28/2013 - 04:45
#18
Back in the old days before
Back in the old days before the difficulties choice, having double max defense uv saved you 1.5 - 2 bars of HP (saying double max shadow snarby would reduce the damage from 4 bars to 2; or 2max shadow Vog set in fsc cutter the damage from zombies from 8 to 6 bars).
Now with elite mode, full armor defenses barely save you, are better getting statuses uvs
Wed, 08/28/2013 - 05:02
#19
Abilities
As Demonicsothe hints, you can read the wiki page "Abilities" to see how damage protection UVs compare to regular damage protection on armor. Then it boils down to whether you regard elemental, shadow, or fire protections as most important. That depends on how laggy you are, whether you ever get hit by zombies, etc. Run FSC a couple more times, to figure out what your worst threats are, and protect against them the most. I myself would go for status protections in almost all areas of the Clockworks.
Dread Skelly. That's the solution. It's not for strikers but it will help you to tank Zombies' hits because they deal a lot of shadow damage on Elite. Vog Cub's fire resistance won't help when you die in two hits.
About your Vog set: as it levels up, its defence increases but the difference between level 1 and level 10 armor is too small. Yeah, Vog was useful in FSC, but in your case it can protect you only from wheels, dark fire, fire and sometimes from trojans. OK, but see Vog's defence, then see what damage do the zombies deal... Vog protects you only from the normal damage the zombies deal BUT only 1 of the 7 bars damage they deal is normal, the rest is SHADOW damage and your armor doesn't defend you. But I see you already have Vog set. I'd suggest to replace the helm with Dread Skelly mask. Vog Cub coat+Dread skelly mask is almost perfect for FSC.
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Dread_Skelly_Mask <-Dread Skelly mask. And its description says it all.