Spiral Knights - stop redoing the events with exactly same rewards

stop redoing the events with exactly same rewards

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Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:00

Hh-Hh

Good afternoon/evening/night..well whatever time of day at your place,I will ask a simple question and request an answer: [no personal attacks please]. sick of how you instead of making some original new event or atleast changing rewards after relaunching one instead just make everything the same well i wont waste your precious time,my points:

1)For ones that did this event its pointless to do it again since they got rewards already.
2)This creates a reduction of currently rare items making them more sought after and greatly reducing prices of ones that were relaunched.
3)[no personal attacks please]
4) didnt rare items made puzzle pirates Great?didnt the diversity of rare items brought fame to it? ofcourse along with vast variety of minigames inside the game itself[while SK only got 2 ..lockdown and blast network..surely needs atleast couple more,and abillity to pick the amount of crowns to buy in for]oh yeh PP also became infamous due large ratio of bans in comparison to population,but thats different story.

when will you leave items and events of past alone and try work on something new?unless you cant..maybe you made elevators free just due to decline of playerbase,to attact new players and bring old ones back and hope for greater income?

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:02

Feyi-Feyi

I'm with you on not redoing events but don't start insulting artists/dev's.
That's just not helping anyone, and just a bit wrong imo.

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:08

Batabii

So 90% of the game's population shouldn't be allowed to get the only shadow helmet in the game that gives bombing bonuses?
These are functional pieces of gear. I can see costumes being rare and/or exclusive, but there's no reason to make game-changing stuff so impossibly rare.

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:11

Vaked

They stated during the first

They stated during the first black kat event that they would be bringing it back in the future. Also there is a new log in screen in case you haven't noticed.

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:13

Hh-Hh

analogical situation with costumes upon sale there were some accessories that got relaunched from supply depot or do you remember the rose regalia events? oh yeh they came back,same with moorcraft furniture box.by the way we,the players are their employers,we feed them and im one dissatisfied customer,all i request are answers.

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:19

Merethif

If you're talking about Kataclysmic Confrontation event, then please note that:

1.
"Kataclysmic Confrontation is an event that will run for a limited time but will return again some time in the future."

It was from the very beginning purposely designed as cyclical and recurring event. I totally agree that it would be nice to have new events with new rewards, but it would be unfair if OOO have changed rewards in Kataclysmic Confrontation event - they promised rewards will be available in the future so here they are.

2.
"Acquiring all the Kat gear will likely take multiple events."

Players were not supposed to get all three rewards during first edition of Kataclysmic Confrontation event.
Players are supposed to get more rewards with every edition - for example I managed to get and fully upgrade one cowl during first edition. Now I can try getting second one (and upgrade it if I will have the time needed to get enough tokens). The fact that this event will return with the same rewards in the future allows me to enjoy the game normally instead of being frustrated because I can't play all week 24/7 and get all possible rewards at once.

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:24

Sir-Greenlink

If I remember correctly, the

If I remember correctly, the Anniversary celebration is the only event that hasn't provided new rewards upon its return. However, it did provide an easier way of obtaining the items (with cake slices instead of energy purchases, I think). The Dark Harvest Festival introduced the Hallow set of costumes and accessories for its second year. The second year of Winterfest also did this as well as introducing a new prestige mission.

The return of the Kataclysm made Moorcroft Prize Boxes available for purchase with energy instead of real money. The Zombie Bellhop is a new item that can be found inside them. The first time the event went live, Nick mentioned that that players would likely need multiple events to be able to get all of the Kat helmets. The majority of players, myself included, didn't have chance to get them all so this is a great opportunity to get more.

While I do agree that some people would like something new, you can't deny that they're trying.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:35

Hh-Hh

answer to green

sir green, its not about introducing a new item or sometihng but about making the previous ones RARE means even though they added zombie bellhop all the previous box rewards returned again making that furniture piece of rising value in your guild hall and a kind of show off trophy worthless,anyone can get it,so eh there is many collector style like guys which would like to have something others cant get or take a while to find,if everyone can get everything all items become blank and it comes hard to stand out the crowd

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:36

Broxaim

@hh-hh

stop acting so self righteous and thinking you're so smart.
entitled much?

1. Kataclysmic Confrontation, from the get go was set to be a repeating event, as mentioned by heaps of people.
2. 'For the ones who have completed it's pointless' Yes it is, but they are in the GREAT minority, likely less than 1% of people who actively play SK are 'complete' with this event. So you would deny the 99% who haven't actually completed this content so the 1% can feel better about themselves?
3. have you actually created content before? it takes much more effort to create content than to consume content. Also content needs to be paced properly, you can't have a new item each day or events every week, that would be quite detrimental to the game, not that you would understand.
4. and also, the players are not their employers, 3 rings or sega is their employers. players are their customers and potential customers. You personally may be a customer, I don't know if you've paid them or not, but there are thousands if not millions of other customers they have. Why should they do something to benefit 1 customer but not the majority? It's only smart business sense to keep the majority of your customers happy.

in the end not sure if...

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:40

Feyi-Feyi

@Broxaim

99%, 1%? that's some occupy Haven stuff right there.

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:44

#10

Venomousbiohazard

OCCUPY HAVEN!!!

WE ARE THE 99%!!!!!!!!

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:46

#11

Broxaim

uhh... yeah I'll catch up..

uhh... yeah I'll catch up.. i'm just gonna go... for a jog... in ... candlestick keep...

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:48

#12

Broxaim

sorry double

Thu, 08/22/2013 - 07:00

#13

Mickmane

Speak for yourself.

1. I didn't bother with getting a hat last time, the one material I got I gifted to a friend. Now I decided I might like the bomber one.

2. That's a good thing. (Yes, I still have some furniture lying around, I'd rather be able to buy more for my own use than have less and less to sell.)

3. Is so whacky it doesn't deserve recognition by refutation.

4. Puzzle Pirates is unplayable due to being a confused mess of English and German. I set it to English, which every other game understands, except SK.
(But SK only has some words and phrases confused since the first birthday update, not too much fortunately. I just hope it doesn't spread.)

Thu, 08/22/2013 - 07:17

#14

Juances

I get it now, people want useless vanity things to be unique to show off to other people that are as shallow and gullible as them.

-"Look, after 59 hours of farming and 10 million crowns, the guild hall now has a giant statue!"
-"and what does it do?"
-"nothing! isnt' it cool?"

Thu, 08/22/2013 - 08:03

#15

The-Mighty-Potato

I disagree with you.

I'm not late to the party however newbies don't get the chance to experience the events. Plus it can keep you interested in the game.

Thu, 08/22/2013 - 08:17

#16

Feyi-Feyi

What's with this new age attitude of 'everyone should have everything'?

I wasn't around during nemesis promos, neither during solstice.
Why should I deserve to have those promo's then?
I don't, just as there are people who will miss out on this promo.

Thu, 08/22/2013 - 08:42

#17

Shidara

Such is the nature of limited

Such is the nature of limited time promos, however, that doesn't stop them from launching the same promo for a limited time again.

Limited time =/= Once-in-a-lifetime-occurence
(Unless stated otherwise)

Though whether you agree or disagree with the notion of recycling old events is a different matter entirely. Personally I don't mind it since I'd love to grab some of those limited-time items to use for something I've thought up. Oh, and I absolutely adore the Moorcroft furniture and am looking forward to many more events like this in the future so that I can stuff our Guildhall with it!

I say, if you didn't get it the first time that doesn't make you the slightest bit undeserving of a second chance either. Those who miss out now might get another chance later down the road, and so on and so forth. If you want to put it that way then nobody is really deserving of anything.

Thu, 08/22/2013 - 09:11

#18

Thimol

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[No personal attacks please]

isn't he?

I mean...

He would know WHY this is a repeat, right? RIGHT?

Thu, 08/22/2013 - 09:30

#19

Gwenyvier

It was stated when the last

It was stated when the last Black Kat event ended that it would be coming back. That was about 7 months ago. It is not being "really lazy" to fulfill your word. It is called following through on what you said you'd do. And on the topic of drawing a few new items... here you go http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/84873 there's a whole mess of them that were just released less than a month ago. Calling the devs lazy after releasing that big of an update barely 3 weeks ago is just laughable.

Why should newer players, or older players that did not get to get a Kat hat, be denied the experience and fun of the event? It is a week long thing, and with people working, being in school, or just being casual gamers a lot of players probably didn't get to get a hat last time.

As for rarity... if you held on to your items for this long knowing that the event was going to come back that is quite frankly your own fault. As a very good merchant in my guild will tell you, investing in items is a gamble... you never know when they're going to be released again. He was sitting on a pair of Prismatic Valk Wings when they got released in the Supply Depot, and he didn't come on the forums (although he does post) complaining about how he lost profit/rarity/whatever.

THE BLACK KATS COMETH!!!! Sharpen your sword lads, we be hunting the cursed beasts! Now if you will excuse me... I'm gonna go work on a new costume.

~Gwen

Thu, 08/22/2013 - 09:32

#20

Feyi-Feyi

@Shidara

That's a blunt summary of it..
Actually I agree with your post: if the promos are cycling I don't care if you get your items the first or the tenth time.
I just don't think the promo's should be made in a way that enables you to get everything every time.
(as most people are complaining along these lines on general.)

Wether or not I like returning promos is personal.

Thu, 08/22/2013 - 09:46

#21

Retequizzle

Simply how I feel reading

Simply how I feel reading through everything so far.

Just gonna do a quick point-by-point. Let me know if I'm using big words, I'll make this really simple if that's the case.

1)For ones that did this event its pointless to do it again since they got rewards already.

It was made clear from the first event that this would happen again in the future - they did not specify when. However, people who burned through all the content that was created for it last time did so with that knowledge in mind. There's still a ton of people who only managed to get one mask, and not even have enough Kat Tribe materials to fully upgrade it. Not to mention mist limitations last time also made it harder to farm for things, whereas that doesn't exist this time. What does this mean?

Everyone has a fair shot of getting something this time, and it's not influenced on how much money you sink into the game to get it.

2)This creates a reduction of currently rare items making them more sought after and greatly reducing prices of ones that were relaunched.

Okay, I'm going to assume you mean it causes an increased availability of normally-rare items. I agree that having an established supply-and-demand ratio makes for having rare items worth it, but if there's no supply then price gouging slowly becomes unchecked to the point that those who have it simply cannot sell without taking what most would consider to be a loss. Look at the 1st Generation Rose Regalia sets - these are by and far some of the most sought after items in the game because of their limited availability, but do you see anyone actually purchasing a set nowadays for what people are asking for them? The market for them has stagnated to the point that no one's willing to try and buy one because of the rampant price gouging, and those who have unbound sets aren't willing to sell to anyone except the most serious of buyers who - you guessed it - probably already have one themselves and as such, aren't willing to buy another BECAUSE of how difficult it is to move them. This isn't even analyzing the fact that the Kataclysmic Event is such a huge timesink this go around that I'm pretty sure we're only going to see maybe 50 or so new Black Kat Cowls be introduced into the market, which is hardly enough to put a dent in any set prices for them. Even then, the simple fact that the Kat event is running right now makes pre-existing books incredibly marketable, simply because they're in the spotlight at the moment.

tl;dr - every market needs a stimulative when it comes to collectibles, and Spiral Knights is no exception.

3)makes impression that your artists are really lazy and unable to draw a few new items over the month.what theyre paid for then?

Wipe the cheetos off your chin and look in a mirror, because you're complaining on an internet forum about how lazy you think the developers are, while simultaneously expecting to be taken seriously with your complaints, all because you can't see what someone's doing. You've cited multiple times that as a customer, you are essentially "the employer", which is the biggest convoluted pile of &*(# you've spewed in this entire thread. If you truly believed that concept, you would simply stop putting money into the game. There's been people like you in the past, and there's going to be people like you in the future. Each time, I've essentially said "let your wallet do the talking if that's how you feel", but I think I'm going to one-up myself on this one and follow up with this:

You're a monetary statistic and what's sad about this thread is you're aware of that without actually being aware of what it means to be such.

4) didnt rare items made puzzle pirates Great?didnt the diversity of rare items brought fame to it? ofcourse along with vast variety of minigames inside the game itself[while SK only got 2 ..lockdown and blast network..surely needs atleast couple more,and abillity to pick the amount of crowns to buy in for]oh yeh PP also became infamous due large ratio of bans in comparison to population,but thats different story.

This isn't Puzzle Pirates. If we're deadset on trying to shove the metaphorical square peg in a round hole, use a better comparison. Sure, we could use a few new "mini-games", but if everyone wanted mini-games I'm fairly certain we'd just go on Facebook. The focus of Spiral Knights is essentially PvE - the levels are *%(#ing dynamic for a reason. If your sole purpose on SK is to just play PvP, then there's a lot of other places out there that do the same thing a thousand times better.

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