Spiral Knights - Make Aegis/Exalted Honor Guard into a piercing equivalent of the Crest of Almire/Grey Owlite Shield

Make Aegis/Exalted Honor Guard into a piercing equivalent of the Crest of Almire/Grey Owlite Shield

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Wed, 08/28/2013 - 08:25

Alfiesr

Both are fairly commonly used 5* shields, both resist shock, fire and their respective damage types of shadow and elemental. There is no piercing-resisting variant of either of them. That's one side of the issue, the other being that the Barbarous Thorn Shield, which offers less defence for a sword damage boost, is considered almost the same thing but better.

Therefore, I propose lowering Aegis' piercing defence (but leaving the Normal alone) and giving it fire/shock resist. This would help separate the BTS and Aegis, and make the both different, entirely viable choices, and fill out the missing spot between the CoA and the GOS
You can't throw up the argument that Aegis is part of the Spiral Order gear, and therefore shouldn't be specialised - it already is. It resists piercing. Lowering that and giving it a slight boost in a different specialisation that would make it a bit more widely used can't be a bad thing. You also can't say that the Azure Guardian gear would also have to be buffed to match - though it would be nice, the Almirian Crusader gear doesn't match the Crest of Almire. It resists curse instead of shock and is weak to fire.

As to how it'd be introduced into the crafting line, I say don't! Leave it out altogether until you hit the 5* shield, because otherwise it's even more of a sharp turn between the Mighty Defender and the Heater Shield, plus it matches the setup that the Blackened Crest has, where the status resists are only introduced after you upgrade it from 4* to 5*

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 09:02

Battlegrinder

Pretend I wrote something clever here

I like this idea a lot. I've gotten kind of sick of the constant use of the BTS over every other shield.

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 14:57

The-Mighty-Potato

-1

The Recipes are free, and it would have resistance against the 2 most powerful statuses.

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 15:59

Battlegrinder

@ Potato

True, but no one uses the bloody thing. Giving players one of the four/five endgame shields for free sounds bad, but at that level (especially with the new orbs mechanic slowing down crafting) the cost of buying the recipe would be negligible anyway.

Thu, 08/29/2013 - 00:46

The-Mighty-Potato

"True, but no one uses the bloody thing."

Doesn't mean you can whip on powerful status resistances. Plus on a side note, it doesn't look like it would have any resistances if you didn't look at it before.

Thu, 08/29/2013 - 08:05

Battlegrinder

@Potato

It doesn't mean that you can't add status resist either. Honest, all of needs a major rebalance (like what happened with TF2 few months ago), and they do that, this would be a reasonable buff to the defender line of shields.

Could you explain your side point a little more? As written, I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Thu, 08/29/2013 - 08:25

The-Mighty-Potato

I said it's Appearance as a side note, I wasn't using that information to defend my point. I was simply stating it.

"Could you explain your side point a little more?"

I honestly don't see how I could make my point anymore clear, but I'll give it a shot.

You see...the Aegis is a weak Shield and the recipe line is given to players for free. If we make it 'too' powerful, I.E adding status resistances, then there's no balance. You would be giving players pretty much a decent shield for free. This shouldn't happen... It would not be a reasonable buff. Why should lazy players get their shield buffed?

This still not clear enough? Otherwise I'll just be repeating myself...

Thu, 08/29/2013 - 10:30

Alfiesr

Looks? Potato, how exactly

Looks? Potato, how exactly does strapping a golden owl to your back look like it's going to defend you against fire or shock, much less the wooden lower variants? Quite a lot of people skip away from the shield even if they craft the early defenders.
They just sell the recipes, because they've already got a shield they want. Then, when they get the Aegis recipe and think "actually I'd quite like that", they've got to go through the alchemy chain again, assuming they can even be bothered rather than using their own shield line. To look at the Aegis, and do some actual research rather than just listening to the metagame of whatever everyone else is lugging around on their back, that's something that should be encouraged.

You're dismissing it on pointless things, as far as I can see. Looks mean almost nothing in any MMO, and Spiral is no exception. As long as it looks fancy, and vaguely fits the alchemy line it's from, it works. And giving players the recipes for free also isn't a proper concern when all 3 of the Spiral order weapons are, in their own right, very, very powerful - and unlike the Aegis, they work regardless of the level you're in, regardless of what kind of enemy is slapping you in the face. Aegis wouldn't become overpowered, it'd become balanced - Piercing enemies are still very easy to dodge even without using dashing.

But I'm not trying to insult you, please feel free to retaliate.

Thu, 08/29/2013 - 12:35

The-Mighty-Potato

This is getting boring....

Do you know what? I regret making that little POINTLESS sentence, because it's making this whole thing now, and I just really can't be bothered to waste my time, but I can't ignore it, so I'll reply.

I'm aware that looks have nothing to do with it. My ONLY point is that you can't give that Sword Fire and Shock. All I said was that It doesn't even look like the type to have any Statuses. I was just SAYING it. Looks have nothing to do with this. Just forget I even typed that...

"Piercing enemies are still very easy to dodge even without using dashing"

If they're so easy then why do you want it to have a buff? Also It wouldn't become overpowered, but It wouldn't be balanced. I'm not going to bother explaining myself because I'll just be repeating myself. This idea won't work, unless you find some middle ground. But I don't think you will be able to.

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