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Wed, 08/28/2013 - 11:59
Reiton

From my experience with the Black Kat event I have now concluded that events like these should definitely have a fallback solution to getting rare items, like the book of dark rituals. I mean something like spending tokens to buy the book instead it being purely RNG. I'm not saying that this should be an easy way to get hard items, it should take a considerable amount of hours to get enough tokens to get one; in the spirit of the returning event it would take multiple events to farm this amount of tokens. This being said for all the people who worked super hard and never got their item purely due to luck. People would still be able to find the item with the extremely low drop chance as normal, but this would just be there to insure people who cant find it.

Now for my rant, my Drakon literally grew a beard in the time i spent farming (Went from around 90-96). Around 500 pages and no book, excluding the the kats that didnt drop anything. If i included the amount I farmed from the last time the kats were around I would be over 700 pages easily. So yes, i do feel quite cheated. If the drop percentage is 1%, i should have 2 books already, but RNG is RNG and i understand that. This is why i want this feature implemented.

What do you guys think about this solution? Or do you guys have any other ideas that could help contribute?

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 12:09
#1
Bopp's picture
Bopp
pretty bad

Around 500 pages and no book

That does seem pretty bad. Now, I'm not arguing for or against you, but let me ask this question, to help clarify your argument: Should your "buy it instead of relying on luck" idea also apply to rare unique variants?

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 12:10
#2
Th-Urret's picture
Th-Urret

I agree, 1000 tokens (or a set amount) for a book would mean you feel less disheartened if lucks not on your side, because at least you can EVENTUALLY save up.

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 12:13
#3
Reiton
For Unique Variants

Im not sure how the pricing would work on things like those, considering on some items a max UV could be worth 10kce+ while on others would be only worth around 5kce. It would also set a permanent price on items like that considering people could say "Sell it to me at x price or ill just go buy it myself"

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 12:14
#4
Glittertind

Making the T3 stratas locked to candlesticks or something?

I was missing them candlesticks in the clockworks this time around, were no proper candlestick levels lined up as far as I could see. Think we had some last event if I remember correctly.

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 12:18
#5
Clwnbaby's picture
Clwnbaby
1000+ token no book

Another event and again no book!!!! WTF! with the 2 events combined my total token count has reached 3015 tokens. This is BS! that many tokens and literally no way for me to get a book meanwhile some noob who hasn't played the game for more than a month walks out and 30 mins into the event gets 2 books! BS!(a bit of exaggeration i agree but still! people WERE! finding multiple books in under and hour)

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 12:23
#6
Juances's picture
Juances

Would it really mater if the black kat was just a costume helmet instead? Only a trophy to show off how lucky you are instead of a usefull piece of gear?

Or think of Darkfangs shields instead....
OOO made a mistake, but not the way you're thinking it. The black kat cowl should have been a copy of Chaos Cowl.

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 12:24
#7
Toxicyoccm's picture
Toxicyoccm
our entire bodies have always been the most powerful form

This event has a lot of problems; even more than last time!
While I sympathize with your unluck, I don't like that the solution is buying the cowl for x-many tokens. Because that changes nothing about an entire boss locked off to those not in the book's .1% drop rate's good graces.
You could read this as simply: "If buying the BOOK for some high amount of tokens were implemented I'd agree with you."

@Weedalot: Last event people were stingy with Luminite and Dark Matter, so undead gates were constantly being spawned. We did get an undead gate, but it turned out to be the Dark City saga and a chance of an arena. Best hope was something like a gate or two having a clockwork at depth 19.

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 12:27
#8
Reiton
@Juances

To be honest i dont think as much people would take part in the event if it was just a costume. If it had similar stats to an already good item then id say yeah, because it gives a reason for people to farm. For me at least, because i certainly didnt farm it for the looks :P

@Toxicyccm ill edit it just for you, and that makes more sense that it just having the cowl. Pages make a book, not a kat skin :P

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 12:26
#9
Poetry's picture
Poetry
I don't know how that would

I don't know how that would work out. Some people seem to have better luck than others when it comes to the pages.

I honestly have no idea how you guys got so many tokens.

I ran quite a bit during this event and i only ended up with around 150 pages. However, i did find a book during the second or third day of the event.

I wonder if getting the book disqualified me from finding pages at a better rate.

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 12:27
#10
Exerpa's picture
Exerpa
Prestige. You get to 45k for

Prestige.

You get to 45k for what, a derpy little icon and nothing else, ever. Seems like it should be some sort of 'credit' to be cashed in from time to time.

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 12:32
#11
Reiton
@Exerpa

I agree with you on this, prestige is utterly useless other than having a shiny badge beside your name

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 12:48
#12
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Just pointing something out...

If you make it possible to buy a book for a set amount of tokens, you'll get people complaining why the price is so high.

Just look at those threads complaining about fire crystal recipes.

You'll also get people complaining about how black kat spawns favor certain other players so these people can't get tokens anyways.

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 13:02
#13
Iapnez's picture
Iapnez
At least 700 pages and no

At least 700 pages and no book. I feel cheated as well. It's why I gave up on the event, and ultimately on the game. I figure that RNG based events are something I will be no part of. If I wanna screw myself with an RNG then I'll give punch a visit.

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 23:31
#14
Possiblespy's picture
Possiblespy
Use some math, people...

Fetishes are sold for fifty Pages.
I've had no problem selling the Fetishes for 65k crowns each.
People are selling Books and Cowls for one to two million crowns.

By my calculations, the number of Pages needed to "craft" a Book or Cowl is somewhere between 800 to 1550.

Thu, 08/29/2013 - 00:09
#15
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope

the previous event i got 5 books and around 500 tokens, this time i only got 350 tokens.

the previous event was easy, since you can invite friends when you see a kat and have friends running trough clockworks, levels to find a kat and help you to gather tokens or book. this time was hard because you cant do that again with your friends, so the event was made to go "solo" rather to play as teamwork like the previous event.

the problem now its that "this kind of event" make people go solo more than before because since we have free elevators, there should be more restriction for these kind of event, and honestly i dont feel an event should make people go solo, events like this one must be a reason to work as team, then the only thing that these events do its make people to find ways to gather more tokens or chances to get a book because people want stuff quickly and easier, and so thats how we get "new methods" of farming which could lead to a ban of the account if GM found you exploiting a bug to farm those stuff. and honestly i dont feel an event should do that, and anyway even if the event were "fair" people will still find ways to abuse it.

since lately OOO wants to make players go in team, this event made the opposite what OOO was looking to do. one way to make it work as "team work event" would be like, every player in the team increase the chances to spawn a black kat, and either every chance of player of getting a book will be added to the "party chance" to drop a book but still the book will drop only for one player in the party (in random way like today) idk what are the rates to spawn a black kat and a book but OOO probably can adjust that just to make clear that doing this event in party its better than go solo. in that way people will keep a reason to find kats in party since they have more chances to spawn a cat which mean more chances to get a book. even if the whole party only increase the rate to spawn a black kat and the drop of the book keeps the same would be a good reason to play this as team in this event.

of course people will find ways to exploit this like making a group of alts, but OOO can make that certain amount of accounts can only be connected in the same computer (like 2) or make the Spiral Knights Client just to open 1 window per computer, well there ways to fix this but there would be always a way to get around those conditions so even with the most complex system to avoid alts people will find always a way.

i honestly did the event just to gather tokens to sell later as kat tribe fetishes (or kat helms i dont know what to do with the 200 tokens i got as leftovers, i can trade them for 4 kat tribe fetishes, or 3 kat helms and 1 kat tribe fetishes, but i dont know how well sells the kat helm 3 stars). and if i was lucky anoher books. (well that and the fact that idk what to do in this game...)

but thats my opinion :)

Thu, 08/29/2013 - 05:37
#16
Shamanalah's picture
Shamanalah
my 2 cents

500 tokens / 50 = 10

10 kat tribe fetish who goes for 60k cr at worst... 80-100k cr at best, can even get higher off event...

10X 70k cr (let's round up) = 700k cr

Only half way for a book, you actually only need 1k tokens for a book (or a BKC) if you know how to use the market...

Pages are worth something... maybe not to you, but they are worth something....

Edit: I just bought a kat tribe for 69k cr... I don't have time to farm and it was the last one I need for my doodoo kat mask (brown one)

Thu, 08/29/2013 - 11:09
#17
Reiton
@Shamanala

thats a goodd point there but if we could get a book made from just pages it would save the trouble of selling 20 or kat fetishes, you know how hard some items can be to sell. This would cut out all the extra work you have to put in by selling them yourself.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 13:40
#18
Cheshireccat's picture
Cheshireccat
Resurrection

Rather than make a new thread I'm bringing this one back.

It's a solid idea. Why NOT make it possible to craft a Book of Dark Rituals? Set the bar pretty high--maybe around 500 pages. That's two Kataclysms for an average player, and one for a crazy grinder. Set the cost at 25,000cr (like other event-specific 5* items). Then let us help ourselves.

This will eliminate all of the complaints about BoDR drop rates.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 14:06
#19
Becketta's picture
Becketta
+1 to crafting

i like the idea of crafting books for a large amount of pages, or fetishes, because the player would still have to defeat margrel. I don't really like this event, mostly because of the solo orientation of it. It may be possible to do it in groups, but i prefer to run solo, because i end up going faster.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 14:50
#20
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

I would definitely agree that putting a cap on the amount of farming required would make the event better. Perhaps if the kat that summons margrel were to accept the book pages as well as the book of dark rituals?

Another change I'd like to see would be the addition of black kats as a normal rare monster (Only slightly more common than love puppies?), or maybe to get their own area. For instance, there would be one level that had black kats at the same rate as during the event, same pages dropping... everything. The level would be hard to get to, and even harder to farm.

Then, during the event, the rate of black kats would be roughly twice what it is now, and OOO could still make a big profit off of everything and there would still be reason to get excited.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 15:08
#21
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
Hey, atleast you find Black

Hey, atleast you find Black Kats.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 15:16
#22
Autofire's picture
Autofire
You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

Fehzor for president. I would vote.

(I'm not joking. I want to see Fehzor's idea happen.)

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 16:30
#23
Becketta's picture
Becketta
danger room

it might be interesting if they incorporated a BK danger room, just because of the lack of anything cursing you in the clockworks. the danger room would probably be fairly hard, as the BK are spawning the carnavons. the only problem is that carnavons don't drop anything, but i guess neither do zombies that are reanimated by a totem.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:56
#24
Fangel's picture
Fangel
This is slowly becoming a suggestions thread

Going off of what Fehzor said, why not have a scenario room attached to graveyards that are available all year round that spawn 1-3 black kats? They could drop 3 ancient pages as a "reward" for completing the room, and these levels are impossible to farm effectively (Seeing as players cannot wait out the level they want, and this would have to happen within the arcade.) This would also keep graveyards in a sort of "cursed" situation, as phantoms are the only other consistent source of curse.

Another possibility would be to add an arcade-only scenario room to candlestick keeps with a bunch of books laid out like the fire-themed candlestick keep prestige mission layout that is only available at a certain depth.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 17:08
#25
Kalak-Of-Tyr's picture
Kalak-Of-Tyr
Fighting Magrel with the book

Fighting Magrel with the book is a "content" thing, while unique AVs are not. So i would say it would apply to one, but not the other. I wish I could "bind up" my pages into a book to have. That would be nice. I really want to fight Magrel. :(

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