Spiral Knights - I must become invincible.

I must become invincible.

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Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:20

Anbroid-One

When deciding what kind of armor I wanted to buy during my first visit to the Hall of Heroes, I didn't realize that Wolver armor gave you a sword damage bonus and instead went with Spiral Plate Mail. This might have been a mistake on my part, since before five stars it only defends you against normal damage and it slows your attack speed down, but I want to make the most of it.

Assuming I'm using the Spiral Plate Mail alchemy path as my base (no helmet), what would be the best helmet/armor/shield combination to give me maximum defensive ability?

Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:33

Qwez

Defensive capability doesn't really help you. In this game, having great defences will not help you all too much, rather dodging attacks and defending against them with your shield will make you invincible. A good shield and a good head are all you need to be invincible. By going for Spiral Plate, you are losing out on the possibility of getting a different armor that is more helpful in combat, just so you know.

Sat, 08/31/2013 - 21:35

Anbroid-One

thanks

I am entirely aware.

Sat, 08/31/2013 - 22:20

Kamishinlnoyari

^ /applaud

The shields -> Royal Jelly/Dread Skelly/Grey Owlite. They're defensive and they'll help a lot if you play on Elite difficulty. If you get all of them you'll be invincible (Dread Sk. for Undead/Fiend, R.J for Slime/Beast and Grey Owl. for Gremlin/Construct levels).
But if you want to have only one shield for all situations, take one of the plate shields. Note that only the Ironmight pl. shield can help you on Elite because Ancient/Volc. plates' normal defence became useless on higher difficulties.

I don't understand and I can't give you advise for helm and armor: do you want Plate armor and Plate helm or only Plate armor and a helm from another alchemy line? Can you list the weapons you have? Which ones do you use most?

Sat, 08/31/2013 - 22:56

Demonicsothe

this can't be stated enough times

Defence is worth crap in this game. Flat out trading blows is crap, unless your shield is taking the hits. Going one hit for one hit is terrible. Not learning how to dodge is terrible.

Take some weapon bonus armour. If they happen to match the most common damage in an area, great. If not, just kill them faster. The only defence that is truly helpful on your armour is status resist. Nobody expects you to dodge everything, but the heart drops should cover the occasional hit. Being status'd will hurt you a helluva lot more though. Fire deals a ton of damage. Shock immobilized you while canceling all action during the tick. Freeze allows you to attack and shield, but not to choose your direction while canceling movement.poison debilitates your attack. Stun slows your movement and attacks, meaning recovery from a big swing or a dropped bomb is slower, leaving you vulnerable.

Status resists will help reduce the duration and damage. With enough resist, you can even become immune to the minor statuses.

A shield, on the other hand, is the one thing that should be constantly taking the damage. It regenerates, unlike your health. Careful management of dodging and tanking with a shield will allow you to get through an area unscathed. Thus, shield defence and resistance is truly important. At least 3 shields, one for each damage type. And if you have the money to spare, a second shield for both shadow and elemental, with a different set of status resists than the first. Otherwise, a status heavy shadow stratum will break a shadow shield without the proper resist as fast as any other shield without said resist.

tl;dr Dodge, shield, kill them before they kill you

Sat, 08/31/2013 - 23:25

Anbroid-One

mostly i just hate devilites and kats

@Kamishinlnoyari: I'm using Boosted Plate right now (intending to go up to Volcanic Plate for the elemental+fire resist eventually) but I want to trade in the plate helmet for something better. Using Calibur right now, used to use Spur for the fast swing times but the Winmillion isn't very good from what I've heard.

Shield management is all fine and good when you're not the only knight being attacked, but when devilites are all throwing things at me while I'm busy trying to cut one particular individual into pieces, you can imagine how frustrating things can get. I can't defend and fight at the same time. Not to mention that getting my shield up moments before an attack hits doesn't actually block the attack with any degree of frequency.

Sun, 09/01/2013 - 01:26

The-Mighty-Potato

You're only using 3 Star gear at the moment, so it's not too late to turn back and get something else. Heck, even if you were at 4 star it still wouldn't be too late to change. 5 Star gear crafting CAN drain all your money at times, 4 star isn't that bad, actually. If you want to change then do so. Here's a link to the Helmets. I won't link you to Armor's aswell because there's only difference between Helmets and Armor, and that's Radiant Silvermail. But you'll most likely not want to get it.

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Helmet

If you're currently dying a lot or taking a lot of damage I recommend you either get a Defence Medium+ Unique Variant. So if your going for Vog Cub, (Wolver - Dusker - Ash Tail - Vog Cub), you'll want either Elemental or Shadow defence (because of the Tier 3 Boss/run, Firestorm Citadel). Same for if you're getting Skolver, it protects you against Slimes and Beasts. Those monsters aren't actually that threatening. Only a couple of Giant Lichen Colonies together can be quite dangerous. So for Skolver Piercing or Elemental is fine (you can get Lumbers and possibly other monsters that deal elemental damage in Piercing levels).

You say you want to make the most of it, so I simply suggest that you get an Attack Speed Increase of Medium on almost everything that you have. That will cancel out the negatives of the gear.

Goodluck on what you chose to do. :)

Sun, 09/01/2013 - 01:46

Kamishinlnoyari

@Anbroid-One

Devilites and Kats deal shadow damage so Dread Skelly shield (http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Dread_Skelly_Shield) fits perfect.
You use swords which means the wolver armor will be useful (I can't believe I'm saying this (T_T). I think Vog Cub+Volcanic Plate is a good combination. The Vog piece will grant ASI Med. to your swords which means it'll cover Volcanic's attack speed Decrease (Low) and you will have ASI Low for your swords. A suggestion: if you pick the set I mentioned, keep the Plate helm and sell the Plate armor because Volcanic plate HELM+Vog cub COAT looks way more cooler than Volc. armor+Vog cap.
Winmillion is fun to use but it's weak and you can't upgrade it to 5*. But Calibur is a nice weapon. If you combine it with Voltaic Tempest/Shivermist Buster, Calibur's charge attack will unlock it's full potential and it'll become DEADLY. You have Fire resistance which means you can get Fang of Vog (that sword is similar to Calibur) in the future and use the same "Calibur startegy" (plant VT/Shiver-it'll shock/freeze your enemies, then charge the Calibur at them) against Undead and Constructs.

Sun, 09/01/2013 - 03:43

Merethif

"but when devilites are all throwing things at me while I'm busy trying to cut one particular individual into pieces, you can imagine how frustrating things can get."

Maybe you could try applying other weapons in this case - back when I was learning how to deal with pre-nerf devilites when soloing, freezing bomb saved my day, so maybe you will find it handy as well. If you freeze whole group you can "cut one particular individual into pieces" with sword without a thread. Plus Shivermist (5* freezing bomb) is useful in many situation, including SK most popular farm.

Sun, 09/01/2013 - 04:14

Orbwanter

but I want to make the most of it.

Don't fall for the sunk cost fallacy. If you have even the slightest inclination to switch, now's the time to do it.

Sun, 09/01/2013 - 04:43

#10

Bopp

agree; obligatory

I agree with the other posters (after skimming them). In particular, the ones telling you "it's not too late to switch" are dead-on. 5-star items are expensive; get them only if you really want them.

You may find the armor section of my detailed sword guide helpful. In line with the other posters here, I don't even mention the non-offensive armors, because that's not how this game is made.

Sun, 09/01/2013 - 05:12

#11

Zeddy

Upgrading from 4* to 5* ->

Upgrading from 4* to 5* -> Basically free.
Upgrading from 3* to 4* -> 400 Energy to the supply depot
Heating 4* to level 10 -> something like 50k crowns in converting 5* crystals to 4* crystals.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 20:47

#12

Midnight-Dj

since you are going with the

since you are going with the spiral plate mail, I suggest you to make it into a volcanic plate mail for the end game vana runs. But untill you reach vana, keep it as the heavy plate mail. The helmet is what you wanted to be specialized in( you can have 3 types of helmet and just the plate mail to pair up with all of them.) I suggest, for your helmet, depending on styles, but if you want to nullify the attack speed penalty, here is what you need.

Get angelic helmet(shadow): craft this to corwn of the fallen and its ASI will counter that of the plate mail ASD
Get wolver/gunslinger cap(piecrcing/elemental): craft them to either skolver/vog + namelss/jusitfier depends on your playstyle(sword or gun)
and what kind of monster you want to be resistant to, I suggest elemental. But get skolver if you are ever determined to enter the shadow lair.

If you can't afford any of the above, then just get the drake scale helmet. It gives you pure elemental defence and piercing defence. combining it with your plate mail give you good defence against grems wolver robots and jellies (good

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