Spiral Knights - what players want explotation

what players want explotation

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Thu, 05/19/2011 - 17:09

Drunkefox

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So as we all know after the patch in which 4*, 5* items are bound to the crafter there was A LOT of negative responses to this since this was more or less to everyone a shameless rip-off and an attempt to get more profit from the players (this is what we the players felt about this sudden change) since now every1 had to craft to get what they want in other words get crystal energy, but thats not it they also increased the energy cost of crafting! seems pretty strange to me... so the outcome would be people buying more crystal energy...right? NO!! instead what you get is millions of players leaving your game so what do we do? gee we gotta give them what they want they are the customers!!
so now if u want to sell items 4*, 5* guess what u have to do? pay more crystal energy!! hurray!! so in other words here is how i see it

OOO and sega want our money, they implement a rule that says

OOO and sega:you cant sell your items and you gotta pay more to get your items

Players:we are not happy with the fact that we gotta pay more to make items but its not as bad as to quit the game.... go f*&% yourself we cant trade? thats BS i wont play anymore good luck with only 30% of your players staying.

OOO and sega: oh s%*& we f*@# up -_-! WAIT players of the world!!...ok you want to trade your items....its gonna cost you more $$$ (Hahahaha we are so cleaver >:D)

Players: F$%& YOU!!-

Oh and btw they do this with the next excuse "quote"
Items and crafting are a core part of the game. Achievement in the game is tied to finding and exploring the unique items it is possible to make. For that achievement to be meaningful, some of those items, the most interesting and satisfying to own, need to retain some level of rarity.

After launch, it became increasingly clear that several items that we thought pretty exciting to play with and which we expected to be rare in the game were becoming common. As a result, their value to players was diminished. It was hard for us not to think that this diminished the game.

Over the next month, we plan to implement a new store that will allow players to "unbind" items. There will be a fee for doing so, roughly equal to the cumulative cost of crafting that item.- end of quote

...seriously nick? yes i agree part of the game is to collect weapons (its what i wanted to do) but doesn't this sound like a lame excuse just so you dont have to release more content? the story line goes just s far and the game play is repetitive...

i dunno if this is your intentions or not but to me i feel like all you want is squish as much cash as you can from your players OOO and sega...
and it is a real and big shame because you have a great game...instead of making new sudden and unfair rules try to APPEAL TO YOUR PLAYERS!!
give us new stuff just for fashion and make it cash only like...i dunno color reset pack $1.00 or...custom helm, armor, weapon, shield color packs $2.00 each. something like that doesnt make any difference in a players performance but its just really appealing isnt it? and it doesnt have to be crystal energy it could be plain cash and you WOULD sell it for damn sure!! but no instead of trying to give us YOUR CUSTOMERS what we want or would like you put a fence in front of us and ask us a fee to enter... you have a great game but if you keep this "improvements" your game is going to collapse...

just swallow your pride and reverse the whole thing already...no1 is going to judge or look down on you neither will hey think your a company that obeys the community's orders and commands.

-Drunkefox

NOTE:
i just wanted to give an example of how real good F2P get money from their players, League of Legends, Riot games is a company to be praised
their game is a complete 100% free of charge you can play it for as long as you like and it wont cost you a dollar.
how they make money then? well they release a new champion every 2 or so weeks to buy this champion you can use IP or RP (IP free ingame currency, RP cash ingame currency) but getting IP takes too long and you wont get enough before the champion is released...but its sooooo tempting to play the new champion so what do people do? they buy RP. Also there are custom skins for every champion so they look awesome in game :D but this skins are cash only... does this stop players? no they buy the RP for the skins. this is what they all say upon champion release
http://files.sharenator.com/Shut_up_and_take_my_money_RE_Gues_what_this_...

This is the correct way to get money from your players and it will bring upon more players which means even more money and every1 is happy.

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 17:25

Quote95

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I agree.......sorta

Yes, I agree that ( face it Sega and 3 Rings ) having to pay just to explore 1 more hour is ridiculous. I mean c'mon you guys have one of the best online games: Spiral Knights. Don't mess it up with this stupid energy thing. Instead of making your players log off every hour, make them pay for extra in game weapons and gear. i don't know if you realize it Sega and 3 Rings, but you're messing up a perfect game. And the reason I said sorta is that i don't mean it that harshly. But again, all your players are begging you Sega and 3 Rings, please fix this energy problem.

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 17:33

Khaim

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@DrunkeFox

You certainly live up to your name.

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 17:42

stock

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Could anyone read this?

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 05:57

Raul

It's a mess alright.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:03

Syor

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Wait a minute...

I remember someone mentioning about LoL and that they release Overpowered Champion every two week and then *rebalance* it the week later or something along that line.

Laziness for the win, in short, I understand why they implemented their update, just go back in time and read all the past thread filled with endless complain, suggestion & randoms.

Yes, it's sad to know that nearly everything is based around the name 'profit' but that's how the world is now,not just OOO or SEGA.

Even your common goods are priced higher than the original price. heck it, even discounted goods are already a profit.

This is a new thread, but reading through the comments sums up most of the reason for this update.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 08:54

Zouless

Kudos to you man. I felt that

Kudos to you man. I felt that way too. Its just isn't right to make EVERY tier 5 items in the game cost so much. Sure I get what they meant about wanting some weapons to be considered rare. But hey that doesnt mean you should just make every single other 3-5 stars weapons in the game cost so much to craft.

Also reducing the cost of recipe(Crowns) and increasing the crafting cost(CE) here actually gives players like us feel that you really really just want to us to buy more CE. Or like, You have to buy CE to get the good stuffs. Please, if that's the case just make this game another pay to play game. No point making it FREE TO PLAY then lose players.

Don't come countering with the crowns-to-CE market. I never trust that system because the prices are always sky-rocketing and gives players a WT*** when they are looking at the prices. In my opinion, that is more like a place for people who buys CE to rip people who doesn't buy CE off their crowns.

P.S I buy CE with real cash, so I'm not one of the free to play ragers or anything like that. No offenses to any players.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 09:07

Brawley

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Pay to play

I would probably pay monthly to play this game, if I wasn't limited to that stupid mist energy playtime restriction, to be honest. It's exactly the type of game I was looking for in an MMO. It's like a mix between Zelda and Diablo. I'm not saying the game should go P2P right this second, but advertise a little, make some cash off the CE and the game as it is, and don't screw it up. Build a player base, and some interest, then make it so you can pay a premium monthly fee to remove the playtime restriction?

This would be my new favourite game. Otherwise, I'll probably just move on.. I've spent $30 in the last 3 days on CE just so I can keep going into dungeons.. That's not fair. That's two months of unlimited play time on any P2P MMO game. Fix this.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 09:16

Syor

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Well

You can still generate more energy from the energy you got, just lesser tbh. So it can't be pay to play and if it's pay to play, the game will end even sooner, considering that you can count the number of people working on this game with your pair of hand

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 09:21

Brawley

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Yeah I noticed that. But the

Yeah I noticed that. But the thing is you only make enough Crowns to keep going where you are. I have 3* gear and T2, I make enough money off 100 energy to buy 100 energy. That's the problem. I can't make enough Crowns to upgrade my gear, and continue playing as well. So essentially is has become P2P, only it's not a set amount of money a month. It's like $10 a day to make any progress, lol.

(Edit: So I guess P2P means Pay to Progress now. xD)

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 10:19

#10

Leviathan

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"But the thing is you only

"But the thing is you only make enough Crowns to keep going where you are."

This isn't true, though.

I'm not especially skilled at gameplay, and I make about 7K crowns on 100 energy running in T2 (after sales of minerals and materials, at very low prices). Which would put me 2k up each 100 energy, plus another 7k for my daily mist, at present crown/CE prices, if I wanted to grind hard.

What on earth are you *doing* with that energy?

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 10:33

#11

Trisfald

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i dont see why some people

i dont see why some people think they'll spend more crafting for themselves and less paying the cost of the item + the cost to get the heat (+ speculation + the cost of recipe + more speculation) to the crafter

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 10:49

#12

Brawley

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You can't have someone craft

You can't have someone craft you 4* or 5* gear anymore. That's why. There's no other choice now.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 11:12

#13

Leviathan

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"i dont see why some people

"i dont see why some people think they'll spend more crafting for themselves and less paying the cost of the item + the cost to get the heat (+ speculation + the cost of recipe + more speculation) to the crafter"

Because they expect the crafter to amortize the recipe cost over several hits of crafting - something that was, in fact, happening more and more?

It's not like the people who are most clearly upset about binding are betting on a wish, here; there really were whole style of mercantile play that went *poof* with the update. Whether or not you personally like them is moot; they were picked up in good faith, believing that the system the devs were building was friendly to that style, only to find that it wasn't.

(This doesn't necessarily apply to the original poster of the thread, of course. He seems, rather, to be attempting to speak truth to power, under the second definition at that link.)

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 11:29

#14

Njthug

....Disagree with all

Sorry man I have to disagree with you:

If three rings wanted to make more money trust me this is not the right way to its would be simple for them to all they would have to do is have only Ce weapons, do promotion events every other month or so, make lifts cost 15 or 20ce a depth, lower the heat rate so it takes longer to level up gear, make 6* and 7* gear since recipes and crafting cost would be crazy.

Many players do not know that Three Rings already discussed removing 4* and 5* weapon trades a long time ago during preview stages, but I guess they thought people would not go as crazy as we did and make all gear well become common. Their are players who play for 1 day and then the next day will have full 5* Gear set-up with crazy uv's etc. Reason why, Three Rings wants to stop this is because they do not want a customer who here for a month and well burn out this game is meant for players to be challenged like any other game, and most importantly they want all of us to train our own gear it does show a sense of achievement (Common why do majority of us have to or wish to have a 5* costume set half the time not for fun only to show off and look sexy).

Many players do not agree with this new update, and there are a few that do, and I am one of them, and I did have close to all the armor sets, swords, guns, and bombs in preview stages. If this update would of never happened I would of easily had all the armors, swords, and guns in a month in a half easily, but now I am challenged to train all the gear myself and achieve those goals. Which honestly is not so bad gives me a reason to play more than just chilling and coming online just to give people ce for the item.

Oh and League of Legends developers aka Riot Games - SUCKS =) If you wish to know why its because they do not support Apple. Any online gaming company now a days that do not support Apple is mainly old school and suck =). Apple is a growing population and gets bigger and bigger each day. Kind of sad how this one so-called amazing gaming company cant even keep up to date with new technology trends. Three Rings on the other hand, knows how to market a great product to everyone Pc's, Apple, and people with other systems =). Now thats a good company right there.

Well have fun reading and if you disagree with my opinions its cool. We both said our point of view no need to argue our opinions. =)

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