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Tue, 09/03/2013 - 13:52
Batabii's picture
Batabii

I have party finder open right now. There are 26 parties found. 22 of them are solo. What gives?

For that matter, 14 of them are in Normal mode. And they're not even in a boss or mission, it's just tier 2/3 arcade!

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 13:59
#1
Megaxdark's picture
Megaxdark
When I want to go on an

When I want to go on an Arcade run while in Clockworks (for example I died and my party left) I try to use Join Party, but when it doesn't work I just create a party at Emberlight and wait until someone joins

If I'm on Haven I just use Party Finder (That's how I found your party that day)

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 15:38
#2
Batabii's picture
Batabii

The only advantages of going solo are for sociopaths. You gain nothing by going solo beyond "not being around people".

If you go with a party, it's faster, more fun, and you get more minerals. Also a bunch of sprite skills work better on a full party:

Frenzied Firestorm
Heart Attack and its advanced forms
Angelic Aura and its advanced forms
Caustic Quills and its advanced forms (in general)

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 15:42
#3
Traevelliath's picture
Traevelliath

Why run bosses anymore? Elevators are free so you just do whatever gate you want: Boss or no.

Usually I start a party, leave it open, and eventually people just join a few floors down.

However a lot of those runs are probably recipe runs.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 15:50
#4
Cobaltstarfire's picture
Cobaltstarfire
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Playing solo has the advantage of being fun to people who like to play solo, those people aren't sociopaths, they just don't fall into what is apparently your extremely narrow view of the world and the people existing in it.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 15:52
#5
Batabii's picture
Batabii

I never get "recipe runs" either. Not only are 90% of recipes in the hall of heroes, but the 4 and 5* mats to craft them (as well as the heat/crowns and/or orbs) are much more common closer to the core. If you quit at the terminal, you're missing out on tons of heat and cr. Especially if there's arenas.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 15:56
#6
Traevelliath's picture
Traevelliath

Yes, because Daxen will sell ya that Blackhawk Recipe you really want. I also heard Echo just got a new shipment of Twisted Snarble Barb recipes!

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 16:37
#7
Khamsin's picture
Khamsin
Going solo > waiting around

Going solo > waiting around for who knows how long.

Also, sometimes you just want to solo. I want to solo all of the danger missions for the first time, so I went ahead and did them alone. It was a lot of fun to learn the mechanics, rather than be told them by someone.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 17:02
#8
Voza-Il's picture
Voza-Il
You guys dont get it do

You guys dont get it do you?

Batabii is making troll threads as a grab for attention, as shown by the pretty shallow topics.

You want to know how to handle trolls? IGNORE. Dont feed them.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 17:44
#9
Draycos's picture
Draycos

Did it ever occur to you that there are more parties than there are in the party finder? There's probably plenty that have already filled up, and plenty more that are between friends and guildmates.

Honestly, I find it better to solo rather than play in a pick-up group if I'm playing for speed, efficiency, or even both. Sure, a coordinated party might do things even faster, but pugs? No way.

I'll take everything on myself so it's easier to kite, group things up, and combo attacks with myself using my trusty Vortex. I don't need the occasional T1-player-in-a-T3-shell knocking everything halfway across the room/into me/out of my attacks' range/using weapons that don't deal enough damage for how much they're boosting enemy HP/etc.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 17:51
#10
Batabii's picture
Batabii

@traevelliath
I said 90%, not 100%. And you only need to learn each recipe ONCE.

@khamsin
it's a self-perpetuating problem. no parties->people go solo->no parties.

@draycos
Perhaps, but you don't even get a choice. Most of the time I just randomly click "join party" it gives me garbage, if anything at all. As for "speed and efficiency", isn't it better to have the work of four people instead of just one person running all over and killing stuff one at a time? I think you underestimate the "average" sk player.

Voza stop harassing me or I WILL report you.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 18:00
#11
Traevelliath's picture
Traevelliath

Ok... So then what happens if you want one of those recipes in that 10%?

Also, you can make a pretty good profit off buying and reselling recipes. Especially 3* ones like the Twisted Targe and the Kilowatt Pulsar.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 18:04
#12
Venomousbiohazard's picture
Venomousbiohazard
More trolling threads eh?

God Batabii.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 18:14
#13
Draycos's picture
Draycos

I don't think you understand. I'm not necessarily underestimating the average SK player, you're underestimating how easy it is for me to massacre things on my own.

Skilled use of a hammer, a vortex, a Callahan, DBB, and if I feel like "cheating", a Brandish, has led me to much faster runs alone than with randoms.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 18:21
#14
Batabii's picture
Batabii

Well it's beyond me how you just happen to find so many parties with people who hinder you far more than help you.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 18:25
#15
Venomousbiohazard's picture
Venomousbiohazard
I feel better soloing

I don't feel worried that I might have to leave at any moment and disappoint party members.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 18:39
#16
Voza-Il's picture
Voza-Il
Batabii. Grow up.Get married.

Batabii. Grow up.Get married. Meet gurls. SOMETHING to make you relax man. Except drugs, those are bad

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 18:29
#17
Venomousbiohazard's picture
Venomousbiohazard
+1

Yes! Venomousbiohazard agrees with Voza-II.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 18:37
#18
Canine-Vladmir's picture
Canine-Vladmir
Map Designs make me want to go Solo.

It's faster for me to solo the Arcade. The arcade offers lots of maps for players to divide. (especially FSC)
Reason: Loot is not shared so it takes twice as long to get everything.

I like to party with friends on levels that forces the players to stick together and not wonder off. (Maps like Arenas, RT, Jelly Palace and some Compounds)
Reason: You fly through the levels while picking up the same loot at the same time.

On another note, guys, stop insulting one another across the face-less internet. Its not cool. /eyeballs you.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 19:13
#19
Batabii's picture
Batabii

Um loot is not shared so you're taking the same amount of time either way...so why not get help killing stuff first?

And if your party has any teamwork, you'd fly through the levels faster.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 19:18
#20
Draycos's picture
Draycos

I'm serious. I kill stuff faster alone. Sometimes even with cooperative players.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 19:23
#21
Alkemik's picture
Alkemik
agree with cobaltstarfire

I play solo alot with the exclusion of guildies and a few misc pals i picked up along the way and i will tell you why... Some strangers can be highly frustrating depending on how they play in regards to you being there with them.
It may sound off, but i die alot less alone than when i play with a full group. Things can get messy really quick and its alot harder to control mob movement when there several people running around. On top of that, some people can be highly "non" group consideriate and use a set of weapons that fling crap everywhere are put the team in a pickle often taking unnecessary damage and confusion.

I could be wrong but if i understand the payouts correctly the only thing you get more of in groups is minerials, but all other drop items are specific to each player which is why we have to back track to loot of other players kills.

If im in the "man on a mission" mode i often run alone to knock out the task at hand with no "brb"s every few mins from somebody in the party, but when im in no rush for a goal or just doing whatever i will group up and occasionaly dabble in party finder cause ya never know, you may find some good players who mesh well with your style.

If you are a fairly skilled player, solo in "most" cases its a much faster grind unless your minerial farming, in my opinion anywho.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 19:28
#22
Batabii's picture
Batabii

Despite the health increase, I don't see how having 1 person kill 1 monster is faster than having 4 people kill one monster...

Also solo is not fun. If I wanted to solo, I wouldn't be playing Spiral Knights.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 19:33
#23
Draycos's picture
Draycos

Because multiple sources of knockback aren't being applied to one monster, making it much easier to aim at and hit.

Sometimes playing solo is fun, if only because it's less hectic and the only person you can blame is yourself. Or maybe that's just me.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 19:34
#24
Voza-Il's picture
Voza-Il
@Batabii FoVmax dmg 1hits

@Batabii

FoVmax dmg 1hits nearly everything in FSC, and everywhere that doesnt have elementaal resistant enemies solo.

Most endgame players solo because the implicit benefit of the social interactions is FAR outweighed by the implicit cost of extra time.

The only way endgame players would play in a party is with good, entertaining friends, or friends who would make runs MUCH faster than solo.

Other then that, dragging some random noob through clockworks/fsc/missions slows them down and wastes their time in their eyes.

Alll about implicit benefits vs costs. And for most, the benefits of saving time are > than costs of playing with noobs/people who dont talk, who would slow down progress.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 19:34
#25
Zeddy's picture
Zeddy

They're not solo if you can find the parties in the party finder: That means they want people to join them but can't be bothered waiting around for it to happen.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 19:46
#26
Batabii's picture
Batabii

@draycos
It's also multiple sources of damage. And the knockback from most weapons is negligible.

@voza
Well I guess I'm just lucky in that I rarely have "some random noob" that "slows me down" more than being forced to do all the work myself.

@zeddy
A person who is all alone is solo, whether the party is open or not. I don't want to join a party that has only one member.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 19:53
#27
Krns's picture
Krns
At some points, all parties

At some points, all parties have 1 member.
Parties don't magically form in groups of 4.
If everyone had your logic, then we would all be playing 'solo'.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 19:53
#28
Draycos's picture
Draycos

Ever used a sword?

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 20:00
#29
Voza-Il's picture
Voza-Il
@Batabii Well, the people who

@Batabii

Well, the people who solo usually have the expensive sets (or chaos set), which results in very high dps compared to people who join with non-super armor (skelly for example).

All depends on if you want to farm for crowns all day, or socialize with people. And since most of the SK population doesnt hold interesting conversation for long, endgame players get bored and feel alone in parties, and feeel like they are carrying unnecessarily.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 20:03
#30
Markus-Aurelius's picture
Markus-Aurelius

"I don't want to join a party that has only one member." -Batabii, post #26

If you join the party, the party would no longer have one member. :P Also, maybe if you joined, it would promt other people who share your opinion to join the party since the party would have two members instead of the dreaded one.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 20:17
#31
Zeddy's picture
Zeddy

"I don't want to join a party that has only one member."

Aaaand there's your answer. People don't wanna join parties with only one member and that's why all the parties are solo.

Trust me on this, if you go join one of those one-man parties, others will follow soon enough. I've had it happen often enough.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 20:22
#32
Batabii's picture
Batabii

@krns
Yes, but why do they stay solo so long that there's TWENTY of them in the party finder?

@draycos
Most swords only push enemies back half a step. Hardly enough to completely throw anyone off.

@voza
2+1 is still more than 2+0. Having more damage never hurts. And a CHANCE of conversation is better than none at all. I don't see how you'd feel MORE alone than when you are LITERALLY ALONE.

@markus
I said "join" a party. If I'm already in the party, I'm not joinING it. And besides that, just me and one other person is boring anyway.

Regardless it doesn't change the fact that there's too many solo parties in party finder, whether that's a problem of the PF itself, or the playerbase.

I don't remember it being this bad 6 months ago...

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 20:25
#33
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Draycos

It's enough to prevent multiple people from hitting the same target, unless it's A) immune, or nearly so to knockback or B) massive. Swords also have the highest DPS in the game, except Blitz Needles or perhaps very well placed bombs against large groups of enemies, so it's a bigger hit than you might think.

Especially concerning Rocket Hammers.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 20:27
#34
Voza-Il's picture
Voza-Il
@Batabii its hard to explain.

@Batabii its hard to explain. Some people find comfort in being alone, and are more inclined to being introverted (not necessarily sociopaths). For some people, hanging around derpy people who do not talk can make them feel as or more alone than actually being solo.

And the chance sometimes isnt worth it for endgame players. It could be too much effort to search for that one party of awesome people.

Though I will admit I met some good friends in paarties I initiated, people who have open ones usually kick.

Just too much hassle to deal with for some people. Could mean they are lazy, introverted, or a sociopath for some odd reason. With a lot of people, you will come across many types.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 20:36
#35
Malicus
Soloing for me is less about

Soloing for me is less about not being around other people (though I am kind of antisocial) and more about removing the unknown of how your party members act. It's sometimes easier to deal with things if you're the only target and enemies aren't being knocked around by someone who's not you.

But on the actual topic, I suspect that "normal mode" is the primary reason those parties stay at one person, because the people interested in joining a party don't want to play it. Why is it even called "normal" mode, anyway?

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 20:45
#36
Gwenyvier's picture
Gwenyvier
ASI Max, Damage Max Hammer.

ASI Max, Damage Max Hammer. One hit and a dash and I got a dead kitty Kat solo, strata 5. You will be hard pressed to find anything that dies that fast with a party Tier 3. Mind you my parties are always open to guildees, so there are other people with me half of the time.

As for your question of why there are still solo parties. You answered a large part of it yourself. They're not doing boss strata and it's on easy mode, er "Normal" mode.

As for other reasons:
- People are still running FSC because it gives the best payout still. Along with JK being a close second.
- Solo play allows you to go as fast or as slow as you want. Want to speed-run and not kill anything you don't have to? Go for it. Want to take your time and kill everything with Shard Bombs? More power to you, do it.
- There is absolutely nothing wrong with playing solo, it is just a play style preference.
- A lot of gamers grew up on old school systems. As in NES/SNES/N64 eras. We get along just fine playing alone, it is how we played games for many years. I've played several MMOs, and been in guilds in all of them. Most of the time though I would run solo, they'd help me and I'd help them if they needed it, but for the most part it was just a social aspect.

~Gwen

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 20:53
#37
Markus-Aurelius's picture
Markus-Aurelius
@Batabii

I think you missed my point. Maybe I didn't express it clearly/the right way. Oh well.

"And besides that, just me and one other person is boring anyway." -Batabii, post #32

Well, it looks like you have only two other boring options: 1) Start your own party as the lone member and pray two or three people join really quick or 2) Wait a long time till you find the the precise party –which already includes two or three knights –you are searching for.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 21:05
#38
Autofire's picture
Autofire
You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

A few things...

I solo when I don't know if/when I'll have to leave soon. It sucks leaving a party...makes me feel guilty. I know that it's just a game, and that's actually why I leave at all when IRL things crop up.

Some weapons are heavy knockback, such as Nitro and Polarises. Both are disruptive until they fall in good hands who'll use them without screwing the rest of the party. I party when I can but I can see this being a turn off for many people. Who knows, maybe you don't mind it.

I usually play to my mood. If I just want to, ya know, smash robots and their furry masters out of frustration, then I do so solo. When I'm angry and want to blow steam (though I rarely even play in such a mood), I don't want to deal with other players. However, when in a good mood I get lonely when alone. It's these times I open a party. It's just disappointing when people join at the terminal and then promptly leave.

Personally, if they are in the party finder and are all alone, join 'em. They are probably lonely, too.

In FSC, I can solo kill slags with the hammer easily. Not possible in a party of even two. Also, some enemies flinch easier when you are soloing. The only fix for this is when you are either all attacking the same thing or when you are not using a sword. Another simple case is in C42. I use a GF for that mission, and I prefer being able to combo-kill slimes. I want to exterminate them before they propagate, darn it!

There are many reasons for wanting to solo or party. I don't blame 'em.

Drops two cents.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 21:30
#39
Batabii's picture
Batabii

@draycos
Well I never had a problem with it *shrugs*

@voza
Then why don't they lock their parties so they don't show up in the party finder?

@malicus
Maybe because they were afraid "easy mode" would make the noobs feel bad 9_9

@gwenyvier
I still don't see how people seem to think that 2+0 > 2+1. No matter how fast you kill something, it will always be faster with multiple people doing the same thing.
FSC is boring and boredom defeats the point of playing video games. (also you spelled RJ wrong)
If you WANT to play solo intentionally, you should lock the party.

@markus
When the options are "wait" or "wait", I think there's a problem...

@autofire
why do people always seem to leave with no warning? Don't people know not to start playing a game when they could be interrupted at any moment?
SOME, not most or all. And besides, there's usually more than one enemy anyway. Divide and conquer!
meh, I find ganging up on monsters more cathartic.
idk, I'm always afraid they'll ditch me after a floor or two. If there's at least 2 other players, it's less of an issue. And there's too many Normals.
I don't see why not. Yes they have more HP, but ...TEAMWORK! In fact, I don't see why people play boss strata when theyre so terrible at teamwork. I've left a lot of Blackstone Bridges because there's always one jerk that has to sabotage it for everyone else. But on the other hand, doing fsc solo takes way longer for the other floors, even when you account for instanced loot. And I don't see how flinching is a bad thing.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 21:42
#40
Cobaltstarfire's picture
Cobaltstarfire
.

When you guys say sociopath/antisocial I don't think you actually know what those words mean.

Antisocial behavior is not defined by someone trying to avoid being social, antisocial behavior is actively behaving in a way that is deemed to be destructive to other people without any care at all for their feelings. (and someone displaying antisocial behavior is a sociopath). Trolls and people who without any remorse at all actively try to sabotage a run or in general sow disorder for their own entertainment are a mild example of antisocial/sociopathic behavior.

To be quite honest to call someone a sociopath just because they are playing solo is one of the most asinine things I have read in a really long time.

People are shy, introverted (or both), or just don't feel like they can commit to a party at the time, these are not grounds to label people as having a serious mental disorder.

And you may not see it but some people don't really care how fast or slow their run goes, they don't NEED to play with others, they don't want to, so they won't. That's really just how it is and it's obvious that it doesn't matter what reason people give it'll never make sense to you, so why keep asking when you refuse to listen?

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 21:48
#41
Autofire's picture
Autofire
You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

Leave with no warning? Well, I've gotten that sometimes. But usually I tend to try to be careful with what I do in the time I have. I'm not sure why'd you join a party when you're sure you'll leave in 5-10 minutes...silly partiers are silly!

Yep, I agree. But my point is more that Nitros are annoying in tight rooms. Though I think it's fair to say that the Polaris spammer who was shooting EVERYTHING that I'd attack was a troll. (Though I've only seen this once in about 20-30 parites. It's quite rare for me.)

Just like I said, different people have different preferences.....

Hmmm....let's say...I think monster flinch chance is determined by damage dealt in a blow in respect to their max HP. If the max HP is higher, monsters will flinch only with heavier attacks. (Or more rapid HP loss) In solo I can reliably flinch lock a gremlin with so-and-so sword, but I can only do it 50% of the time in a party. The problem is that I want to divide and conquer sometimes, but my flinch-locking isn't as effective in a party. The only time this works is when one of the other party members shoots at the gremlin at the same time, but then...what if their only weapon good at getting gremlins (or good for the situation) is high knockback?

The problem with PUGs is the uncertainty. When you don't know what others will use, you can't use your loadout to it's greatest effectiveness. Effective partiers will usually take stuff to accommodate, such as me and my Ash'o'Agni, but others like to be cookie cutter... :<

I agree fully though. I wish there were more parties. I feel that the pre-patch notion that "TEAM WORK IS DEAD!!!!!!!!11!1one!!!1" (due to lack of HP revs and pill sharing) has messed stuff up. I would give it more time, but maybe it should have stabilized by now?

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 22:02
#42
Awoogawooga
Personally, I like playing

Personally, I like playing with people more, but there are times when it's better to just solo.

For instance, I still do JK for Elite Orbs or for easy heating. I found that going solo is better for me because of my gear and at the same time, those who do JK are usually T1 or T2 guys who can get you killed because they aggro-ing the slimes in the worst way.

Since the big sprite update, I've done a LOT more Arcade, and here's what I found...

You meet a lot more jerks than when it cost energy to use the elevator.

I like playing a support role, so I tend to see what kind of level I'll be joining, so I can suit up before I join. But when I get there, the guy instantly kicks me out. Often times, I finish loading, only for them to say something like "oh no, someone's joined" before kicking. I mean, duuuuude, if you wanna solo or wanna play with your friends only; don't make it an open game y'know?

For that reason, I tend to not join unless I see there are already 2 or 3 players in the team. And I tend not to join until they reach a couple rooms in. Especially for T3, 'cause those guys in the waiting room don't always join you when you go down to the next level. So you end up as a solo when the map loads.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 22:26
#43
Evning's picture
Evning
So a number of us prefer to

So a number of us prefer to solo, i don't see whats the big deal. We are not taking anything away from your game experience right? =p

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 23:06
#44
Markus-Aurelius's picture
Markus-Aurelius
@Batabii

There are other options, but it appears you are oppossed to entertaining them.

Also, maybe the types of parties you are looking for just fill up quickly while the ones you aren't interested in do not.
^^^^EDIT: Just realized that Malicus already said something similar^^^^^

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 23:17
#45
Batabii's picture
Batabii

@cobalt
Then what DO you call someone who refuses to play with other people, even if it means sacrificing gameplay, etc?
And if they want to play solo so bad, why dont they lock their party?

@auto
I find the uncertainty can make the game more fun. Granted, it could be worse, but it's fun to see new loadouts and gear, and some randoms actually have a clue what they're doing.

@awooga
You spelled RJ wrong (I assume that's what you meant). What are tier 1 players even doing in RJP? I tend to see an even mix of tier2 and tier 3, and I've never had people in RJP mess me up nearly as much as they would in IMF or FSC. And yeah it's stupid (and rude) to kick people before they even finish loading.

@evning
yes it is taking away from my experience because I can't find any parties to join that actually have other players. At least they need to fix the party finder so it never shows Normal difficulty, or have it so you can hide missions from the list.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 23:34
#46
Awoogawooga
@Batabii I used to call it

@Batabii
I used to call it Sovereign Slime, but then my guildies kept insisting on calling it JK. I'm fine with whatever it's called.

Well, sometimes people bring their T1 friends on. Can't blame those for not knowing what to do. And sometimes T2 don't either.

But the game's more fun if you find even a half decent party though. And great if you find a great one.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 23:42
#47
Batabii's picture
Batabii

They "insist on" calling it the wrong name? I mean name one time it ever in the entire game says "jelly king". Then I can show you at least 15 times it says "royal jelly".

And yeah that's their own stupid fault for joining a mission they shouldn't be in.

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 23:50
#48
Markus-Aurelius's picture
Markus-Aurelius
Off topic:

I still don’t understand what the whole issue with JK/RJ/RJP is… and why some people insist everyone should call it what they want it to be called…

Tue, 09/03/2013 - 23:56
#49
Fangel's picture
Fangel
That's strange...

My party style seems to be a rarity according to this thread... I start open elite parties and immediately jump into the clockworks. I don't mind playing solo, but I also don't mind playing with randoms. I honestly like playing with less skilled players in the higher depths, especially if they're still learning tactics myself and other end game players have learned. It's kind of cute in its own way.

But I rarely ever get parties full of bad or malicious players. It could be luck.

Sometimes, I just want to solo. If, as Batabii says, the game is about having fun, then I can say that I find going solo fun. I also find playing with open parties is fun. What I find fun isn't defined by what others might define fun as, that's for me to decide and me alone. The same applies to everyone else who plays this game.

A filtering system for the party finder would be nice. Has anyone suggested that in the suggestions forum yet?

Wed, 09/04/2013 - 00:31
#50
Evning's picture
Evning
This thread is a little all over the place.

You dont want to solo, but is upset that all you find are parties with 1 player possibly looking for members because their parties are unlocked, but you dont want to join them because they are playing normal, and only have one other person.

Well, so you cant filter away normal modes, you are shy around one other player (its akward for me too to be with one other person and have no convo flowing). To be honest, other than the party finder filtering normal mode, beggers cant be choosers you have to party up with whatever you can find, unless you go start a party, then you can choose the mode and invite friends, or just go solo =p

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