Spiral Knights - Is there any reason to use Mad Bomber at all?

Is there any reason to use Mad Bomber at all?

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Sat, 09/07/2013 - 07:29

Five-Hundred

So I have a bad bomber helm with Max fire resist. I thought at the time that it was a great idea! Mad bomber mask that I can use on vana runs right?

Then I realized that the Chaos Cowl is the EXACT SAME HELMET except it grants bonuses to EVERYTHING!

So then, I must ask, how is that balanced? Why would you make 2 items that are exactly the same in everything, but one grants better charge and damage bonuses? You've completely made the mad bomber set useless...

Am I wrong? Am I missing something that makes these 2 items balanced, or am I just SOL because I went for the helm that's completely useless?

Sat, 09/07/2013 - 07:42

Little-Juances

Apparently, Mad lacks a negative curse resist over Chaos and OOO thinks that's enough >:|

But yeah, you made a horrible mistake. You might want to read the wiki and visit the forums more often.

Sat, 09/07/2013 - 07:50

Kamishinlnoyari

@OP

Mad Bomber is better than Chaos if you use only bombs or if you're mad. Chaos has Curse penalty and that's the only difference. They are not balanced. Maybe if there were more cursing monsters, we could "feel" Chaos' penalty but only the Phantoms and Black kats inflict curse...
So Mad bomber isn't that weak if you use bombs only/mostly. You could upgrade that Fire max demo helm into Bombastic demo helm because freeze is the most dangerous status and the fire UV could make it useful in FSC.

Sat, 09/07/2013 - 07:56

Traevelliath

Mad Bomber has a Mohawk, which is 100x better than an emo hoodie.

Sat, 09/07/2013 - 08:12

Bopp

maybe this will help?

many threads via Google: mad bomber chaos site:forums.spiralknights.com

Sat, 09/07/2013 - 08:17

Voza-Il

Mad bomber now needs a

Mad bomber now needs a buff..

Maybe they can add more normal/elemental to match arcane salaander, or make it have shadow or pierfing defense.

Right now, unless you run UFSC daily, you can't really have any real benefit of MB over Chaos. I would expect a change to the Mad Bomber stats, like removing some penalties, adding more defense, changing the bomb damage bonuses to high each, etc. But then all of the birdpoop skolvers would whine like they did about RSS, and it would be uber nerfed.

Sat, 09/07/2013 - 11:00

The-Mighty-Potato

It's the Same with Royal Jelly Set and Ice Queen. The reason why no one complains about those sets are because they're not that great compared to others.

Royal Jelly < Ice Queen

I do think maybe one day OOO's will change Chaos. Mad Bomber doesn't actually need changing because it is balanced. I personally think that Chaos should be just CTR VH overall, and wipe out the DMG VH. Or make Chaos apply only for Swords.

Sat, 09/07/2013 - 11:54

Dirigible

Hmmm

The thing is if they nerfed the Chaos, then all the people using it would be mad that it was uber-nerfed and now pointless compared to its old self, and that would be bad. Oh wait, OOO did that anyway with the RSS (I will never get over that). Nevermind.

Sat, 09/07/2013 - 15:14

Skold-The-Drac

traevelliath took my argument

Guess I got nothing to do here

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 08:47

Wehasband

Well obviously you need it to show people you're a bomber, a genius unappreciated by the community and sneered at by those chumps who use swords.
But yes, as of now Mad Bomber is outstripped by the Chaos set. Maybe it will be buffed, dahahahaha.
Don't let this fact stop you guys from posting 'reminders' of things that need fixing. What would we do without responsible people like you.

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 00:05

#10

Etharaes

I have three problems with the chaos set

The first: Chaos clone is an actual thing now which makes a hipster like me who's lazy to switch over to fallen set sad.

The second: It completely outclasses mad bomber.

The third: It's totally UP. Right now it offers dmg med and ctr med per piece, for a total of dmg very high and ctr very high. This is great, BUT WHERE IS THE FREAKING ASI?!? IMO, we should buff the chaos set in this way:

First, halve the damage bonus. Damage bonus is boring. (So we have damage bonus low per piece, or damage bonus medium with both pieces)
Second, halve the ctr. (So we have low ctr per piece or medium ctr if you wear the whole set)
Third, add low asi per piece, for a total of med asi.

Yay, chaos has asi! Now it is the perfect hybrid armor.
Edit: Oh yeah, mad bomber is no longer completely outclassed by the chaos set. Yay, or something.

~Ethanol, hipster in chaos clone clothing.

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 00:12

#11

Etharaes

@The-Mighty-Potato

IF THE CHAOS SET IS MADE TO GIVE BONUSES ONLY TO SWORDS I WILL RAGE (and others too) BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE JUST CASTRATED MY HYBRID ARMOR. I WILL THEN FIND YOU AND KILL YOU BRUTALLY.

Non-rage version: Please no. I got the chaos set because it was great for hybrids (I got it before it's most recent buff). Also note that there are gunners that use the chaos set now. If you want to have a set which offers chaos' boosts but only to swords, make a new set and change the chaos set without killing it's hybrid potential.

~Ethanol

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 01:06

#12

Kimahsonite

They buffed chaos a few

They buffed chaos a few months ago and left Mad Bomber as it is. Nick has even acknowledged it and has done nothing about it.

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 10:21

#13

Traevelliath

I like Etharaes' idea.

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 11:41

#14

Halandin

Same, making Chaos all lows

Same, making Chaos all lows would make it a true hybrid, a little good at everything instead of specialized in CTR and damage.

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 11:51

#15

Krakob

Can't believe I did not post this yet!

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Is there any reason to use Mad Bomber at all?