Spiral Knights - Comparing Acheron and the other 5* Brandishes

Comparing Acheron and the other 5* Brandishes

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Sun, 09/08/2013 - 11:26

Troll-Lolo

So far I cannot test this myself(seeing as just made my Acheron), but on the wiki pages of the Acheron and Voltedge the damage tables are the same in terms of the numbers for each section. Why is that? Shouldn't the Acheron be stronger because it has no status, or am I missing something here?

Isn't it a general rule of SK that the branches with statuses are weaker than those without? For example look at the Final Flourish and Furious Flamberge . The Final Flourish does more damage than the Furious Flamberge which can cause a status.

I'd like to know if these are the correct damage numbers, or if the Acheron is stronger as it should be.

If the Acheron has the same damage as the other 5* Brandishes, then it needs a slight buff.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 11:50

Zeddy

The numbers are correct, but no buff is needed. If anything, the status brandishes would need a nerf.

In any case, Acheron>Voltedge because shock makes enemies stop up while they can ride the full wave of an Acheron charge to receive all of its charge damage.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 11:57

Troll-Lolo

Ah, I see

I suppose you're right, the full Acheron wave is good as apposed to the Voltedge and Glacius waves. The Combuster wave on the other hand, it is like the Acheron, hmm. A *small* nerf couldn't hurt, people would still use it and ease some of the anger some people felt towards the OP brandishes.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 12:12

Bopp

right

Acheron does the same damage as the other brandishes, even though it has no status. I'm not convinced that Acheron deserves a buff. Acheron in a slime/gremlin level is much like Combuster in Firestorm Citadel --- quite powerful. All of the brandishes, including Acheron, probably deserve a nerf.

By the way, Divine Avenger and Gran Faust do equal damage, although GF has status and DA doesn't.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 13:13

Traevelliath

Acheron is better because it looks like a Katana and you carry around the sheathe in your offhand.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 14:22

Red-Galaxy

Well...

@Bopp if anything the GF should deserve a buff you want to know why? THE GF'S CHARGE ATTACK TAKES FOREVER TO CHARGE! Plus when using the charge it only sends one sword and has a chance to curse you

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 15:06

Bopp

yes

I agree that Gran Faust takes too long to charge. You don't have to shout.

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 05:30

Arelic

GF Chargin ye an arm an' a leg

I agree that the Faust line does take a while to charge.

But I think that it is in the best interest of knights who want to survive the onslaught of whatever horrors they face by not cursing themselves too often. I suppose, if that were the case, someone may suggest that one decreases the charge time while at the same time decrease the chances of a strong curse occurring (which is what I would only figure to be the logic about it). And along that line of thought, shouldn't the Fang of Vog increase the time in which it takes to charge as well if the safety of the knight wielding the damned blades were a priority?

Or should one just buy curse and fire resistant armor to weather the possible outcomes?

By the way, I also plan to get the Acheron. Eventually. So this discussion helps as I was iffy about getting other brandish lines as well.

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 06:07

Krakob

I made a thread similar to this one a while ago but I'm too lazy to dig it up. Bottom line, no matter:
Acheron should be more powerful if it's to follow other items with similar splits (most notably Alchemers) but Brandishes are the most OP swords so there's no reason to buff it. All Brandishes should actually be nerfed, although Acheron could be nerfed less to compensate for the lack of status. Some people say that having Shadow damage is basically like the Acheron's status but I'd only take this as a valid argument if the other Brandishes were normal damage.

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 06:51

Dean-Zane

well now..

I would like to make a point that Combuster>Archeron

Like Zeddy pointed out, Archeron charges let out a wave that the monsters ride out, therefore dealing more damage than a Voltedge or Glacius.

Combuster charges however, let out a wave also PLUS dealing fire damage.

Combuster wins... always :D

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Comparing Acheron and the other 5* Brandishes