Spiral Knights - So huh about heat....

So huh about heat....

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Thu, 09/12/2013 - 06:26

Shamanalah

The new system ain't bad but I think it's about time you put either a forge arsenal in each boss lair depth or either put the real arsenal at the start of each depths.

It's getting annoying to simply upgrade 1 heat lvl per boss LAIR where I can simply heat it up in Arcade.

IDK I have to do the whole Vana with my 3* mask five time to get it 4*? Then 10 times to put it 5*? -_-

FSC is supposed to be the grinding place for high-end player, cr is there, loot is there, heat is there but I can't use it! Nothing major really, just not gonna bother to up my "needless random" items.

Yeah you can heat via Arcade, just funny that 2 Arcade depths will heat more than 4 in FSC

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 06:33

Zeddy

There's nothing intended about FSC being the end-all be-all resource farm for end-game players, that was a design oversight that is slowly but surely being corrected. When you get to FSC, you're intended to already be geared up for the mission and ready to take on the challenge there.

Stratum 6 in the arcade can pay at least as much as FSC if you know how to run it, and a tier 3 run overall can net far more profit if you're into the recipe market.

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 06:41

Abelisk

I think there should be forges like "everywhere". Every single place should have a forge, but not an arsenal to change your equips.

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 06:44

Doctorspacebar

It's a Concrete Jungle out there

FSC should really be used only to get boss tokens (for CoA, FoV, and such) or heat up multiple items at once.

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 06:46

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

@ Zeddy atm I was into heating up my stuff real quick like I used to do in FSC, alone.

Yes I am geared when I go do Vana, I still wanna bring my 3* or my 4* items to heat em up faster, the heat there used to be good (we all farmed it for heat at one point or another) I remember doing a FSC in full Cobalt 3* for 3 depths then going back to get it 4*. Did a SL like 30 minutes later XD

I just thought that FSC could still be one of the best spot to farm heat rather than Arcade.

Edit: And that's not just FSC, I used to heat up in RJP when I was still learning SK, RT and RJP were good place to farm heat over time. Snarbolax too! We are talking too much about FSC here, RJP need it too!

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 10:57

Mickmane

What Zeddy says.

If you had some kind of OCD about using your Mist in the most efficient way...
IT. NO. LONGER. APPLIES!
Elevators are freeeeeee!
Wohoooooo!

I doubt any part of the game is meant to be a grinding place.

Now, why would any boss leave Forges or Arsenal Stations around for invaders to use?
Those levels are like one big monster level, just split up. You simply Can Not get back behind the barrier.

If you escape to Haven, your pickups evaporate, only fair.

If you chose to 'grind', it's all your own doing.

Where do you people get that "Gimme freebie! Gimme easy! {throws tantrum}" attitude anyway?

How old are you?

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 13:16

Rhagnarock

errrrr

@ Mickmane where did you get that we wanted freebies? Shamanala is asking for forge arsenal into bosses lair, nothing free there.

Now, why would any boss leave Forges or Arsenal Stations around for invaders to use?

IDK, why there is one at the beginning of each boss lair then? It's still laying there in his lair for invaders to use...

We just cannot heat items more than 1 lvl per bosses lair you do

I think there should be forges like "everywhere". Every single place should have a forge, but not an arsenal to change your equips.

I think that too

And also. FSC was always the end grinding spot. If you deny it then you deny most of SK existence. We all farmed FSC for either cr or heat , specially with 3 people giving you heat. It was THE spot for heat. No denying that

Also Mickmane, why are you talking about Mist? It is irrelevent in this topic in so many ways...

HEATING UP ITEMS =/= Mist problem

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 13:18

Little-Juances

There's a difference between having one station at the beggining (probably placed by a recon team, as an outpost) than one deep into the lair.
There's a logical explaination for you.

And no one denies FSC is a farming spot. But should it be so? Does that feel right to you?

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 14:31

Mickmane

Sigh.

Rhagnarock, you're asking for something for your own play style. Nothing there that would make sense in game, no it's just a 'gimme, I want this for myself'.

I suggest you look up the words 'inside' and 'outside' in a dictionary.

If people choose to grind, it's solely their decision, not the game's fault.
"We all"? Speak for yourself, else I'll call you out as a liar, and I'm already tired of explaining the obvious to yet another person who's just whining about 'gimme'.

Mist... I see you did not read what I wrote, please do this time:

If you had some kind of OCD about using your Mist in the most efficient way...
IT. NO. LONGER. APPLIES!
Elevators are freeeeeee!
Wohoooooo!

(How do I make bigger letters than default font here?)
IT. NO. LONGER. APPLIES!
IT. NO. LONGER. APPLIES!
IT. NO. LONGER. APPLIES!

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 14:37

Sirius-Voltbreaker

@juances

And how did we magically lose the need of energy for exploration? Why do we happen to start needing fire crystals?

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 14:42

#10

Sirius-Voltbreaker

Random things that happen make no sense. It took me about a month to get my divine mantle. I have wasted too much time.

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 15:23

#11

Voza-Il

Great, now all the people who

Great, now all the people who have nothing better to do than grind FSC all day are gurgling up into the forums.

Try the arcade. It has Tier 3, is way more fun, and has arsenal stations on every depth.

Or OOO could remove every single level except for FSC.

Herp de derp.

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 16:41

#12

Traevelliath

@Mickmane: Dude... calm down...

He's just asking for a small convenience... and you're acting like he's demanding a million free CE. It's not about grinding FSC, it's not about elevators being free, it's not about mist and it's definitely not about being a selfish prick.

The OP just wants a bit of convenience to speed up heating equipment (which already is a long and arduous process).

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 18:35

#13

Dutch-Oven

You have to use a little initiative if you want to heat faster

Before you could just steamroll KoA until *ding* fries are done. Now you have to judge how much heat you'll get from doing specific missions and how quickly you can get the amount you need.

The obvious choice is doing clockworks. Heat is generally poorer but you get to forge on every floor so there's not much wasted heat and it's a more casual approach to levelling gear.

Doing FSC in a party and leaving to forge when you need to. I've been doing this a bit and most people I know do. It's pretty lame because it ruins the flow of the run.

Doing FSC solo and restarting when heat is full. You can easily heat low end gear by rushing the 1st floor only, (takes 3 minutes), and rushing d25 gives a lot of heat as well when you need more. Payout is still decent but no tokens for you.

Rushing JK gives ok heat too and takes only 10-15 minutes, if you really can't do without collecting boss tokens when you play. The payout is equal to FSC.

The other thing about heating now is you're gonna need shining fire crystals so you might as well take the opportunity to heat that low level gear in S5 floors where you'll be able to farm shining fire crystals.

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 19:00

#14

Khamsin

The funny thing is, everyone

The funny thing is, everyone hating on the OP doesn't realize that if you have a bro hold your spot, it is basically the same thing as having an arsenal station on every floor, only it's just more annoying to access and requires you to go through more loading screens.

All adding these arsenal stations would do is remove that inconvenience, which is a good thing.

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 20:25

#15

Fatalitizer

It'd be better if there was a

It'd be better if there was a buffer for additional heat so it doesn't go to waste.

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 22:03

#16

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

That does not solve the problem in any way, I already knew about it (and was also doing it). It's just unpractical and gets you twice as much loading for something that hasn't been thought out... *wait for loading screen* *press esc* *return to haven* *press U* *upgrade* *press esc to skip animation* *press F6* *load done* *join alt* *wait for loading* *lost all vials and vitapod*...... really practical...

So nobody care? Ok then, no point in trying to force something when nobody wants it I guess...

I thought that everybody would want a forge spot in every depths but it seems that bosses aren't meant to upgrade items anymore.

It'd be better if there was a buffer for additional heat so it doesn't go to waste.

People would shove it down the sprites mouth.

All adding these arsenal stations would do is remove that inconvenience, which is a good thing.

What about forge station? What is necessary to upgrade a weapon in fire that is necessary now that wasn't back then? Fire crystal? Don't you just hammer it down to your items? I have a warmaster rocket hammer, pretty sure I can forge with it.

Why do you need spark of life? We didn't had life before? Why does our teamates can't rez me now? They just stare at me instead of helping me up?

If we go into details this game is really wonky

Fri, 09/13/2013 - 08:27

#17

Pepperonius

I suspect the point of the lack of Forges during boss runs

is to breathe life BACK into the arcade. Sure, you can grind FSC for munny, but if you want to heat, the arcade should be your option. I suspect this is also what Mickmane is saying, only in more words.

Money: FSC
HEAT: CW

Works for me.

Mon, 09/16/2013 - 11:18

#18

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

@ Perronius

At this point I only do FSC for money and heat. Plus it's a challenge to do Vana with only D27 as looting floor (with a 4* item, no vita XD). CW Stratum 5 takes too long to go through. I go and do FSC with talented people so I can goof off a bit too.

Took 6-8 FSC to go 4* lvl 3 to 5* lvl 10, plus you make more money along the way.

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So huh about heat....