Spiral Knights - Aegis vs Plate Series?

Aegis vs Plate Series?

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Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:01

Sylus

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Okay so, fairly new here still, (Started playing this week, tuesday to be exact.) and worked to get to T2 level content as quick as I could to get myself self sufficient in CE income, ( and making steady profits so far. >.> ).

And in doing so I made a Defender, simply because it was the only 2* Recipe I seen at the time so I made it, just to get myself ready for new content.

But now I come to a dilemma. I read up on Piercing and what mobs dish it out and its pretty limited in use, my only reason for now considering to keep my Defender and go up to Aegis over building a new Plate Shield, is my Defender has UV MAX Elemental Defense, so I'm wondering if sticking to that to Aegis might get a pretty good rounded 5* shield, or if it'd be in my best interest now to go back while I'm still 2*'ing content.

The money/etc I was going to invest in a better gun to replace my beginning one got freed up (Picked up a Volt Driver from a chest last night), so I have some extra energy laying around and was debating changing things up a bit.

Everything else is 2*, Calibur, Wolver set, Volt Driver and my Defender. But I'm tired of getting obliterated in lower T2 and wanna bring my shield up a bit more at least.

Thanks for the feedback/opinions on this. <3

P.S. Also don't see the fuss about energy so far, I'm making 50 CE profit roughly, give or take, a run right now, more if I use my ME instead for that day. >.>

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:07

Etendue

JESUS christ I'll buy that

JESUS christ I'll buy that defender for whatever reasonable amount you can list.

P.S. Wolver to Vog Cub is the way to go. Otherwise, the 5 levels of Firestorm Citadel will destroy you completely. The fire resistance of vog cub, and the weapon attack speed bonus it gives is essential endgame. That and the elemental + normal resistance can't be beaten.

The plate and aegis series look good, but simply can't compare.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:11

Sinxeno

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Switch Shields

Piercing defense is a pretty worthless defensive stat at this junction. Maybe in the future OOO will decide on using more enemies and attacks that focus on piercing defense, however at this point, normal defense is the most important statistic followed by elemental defense. I wouldn't recommend getting a shield without either of these. In addition, I would also look for a shield that has decent status resists because they help prevent your shield break when hit with those elemental attacks that also inflict those statuses. From my own play testing, I have noticed that shields with maximum fire resist can stand in fire without it breaking (might be a bug who knows). Along these lines, I would recommend an owlite shield series since it is so well-rounded. Everyone uses them because they have the best defenses and statuses.

Moreover, if I were you, I would personally level up that defender to its 3* counterpart: the Great Defender. Afterwards, I would sell that baby for some serious crowns/CE because maximum UV's are extremely rare and coveted, especially the elemental/normal defense line. The shield itself with that UV is probably worth +8000 CE in my rough estimates.

Then again, I think with the recent changes, if you equip an item, you won't be able to sell it "technically."

Hope this info helps and congratulations on your AMAZING luck.

IGN: Sinxeno

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:12

Sylus

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Already bound =(

The Defender is already bound. =( Made it while getting 2* Clearance for Tier 2 =/

But yeah I'm headed for Vog myself, I just want to make sure I'm bringing up the right shield to go along with it. I'm wondering if a 5* Aegis with MAX Elemental would be a good balanced shield to carry around or not =(

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:15

Sylus

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Ha, posted while I was

Ha, posted while I was replying. <.< But yeah I was looking at Owlite it does look real juicy.

And yeah recent changes if I heat the shield up it'll still be bound. =( Oh well haha. I guess I'm gunna start building up for an Owlite then. Is the pattern random from Basil or?

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:18

Etendue

Yes it definitely would. You

Yes it definitely would. You can craft it to 3 star and unbind it.

Most people go for grey owlite though, the status resists are pretty handy.

If you had crafted an owlite shield with maximum elemental resistance, then you could sell that for an astronomical sum.It's just that piercing is not that useful. The excellent UV should more than make up for it though. However, it'll only be about the same as a grey owlite in the end, because max elemental resistance gives aegis about the same as grey owlite.

My ingame is Etendue. Contact me if you still are considering selling that shield.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:20

Sinxeno

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You can always try selling

You can always try selling the shield on the forums and "gifting" the shield to them after they pay you for the shield. You can use up your single "item transfer gift" if you do it before monday. I don't believe this is how Three Rings planned on this feature to be implemented and people have to be incredibly trusting to give you money first, but it might be worth a shot honestly.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:24

Sylus

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I forgot about the unbinding

I forgot about the unbinding cost. How much was it? If its not too bad I'll definitely sell it to you when I get an Owlite made. I got some energy kicking around so I'll see if I can get the recipe I need~

Also Item Gift? If I can figure that out then I'll definitely consider that~ Like I said, pretty darn new here still and still trying to find my way around haha.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:27

Etendue

No. Do not listen to Sinxeno,

No. Do not listen to Sinxeno, he doesn't really understand the bazaar system.

We meet ingame and trade after you craft. I can even supply the mats, CE and recipe. I'm actually quite trustworthy and have done mail trades before, but I do not want to get you into the habit of doing them. It's only a matter of time before somebody scams you, and you'll regret it.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:35

Sypsy

In case you haven't been

In case you haven't been paying attention to all those large threads that have started, there will be an ability to unbound equipment in the future, with some additional costs of course. It's for situations like yours that this that is designed. At 2*'s, hopefully it's super cheap to unbind, so perhaps you should avoid upgrading it to 3*.

When they do implement that unbinding store, in a month or so, you can unbind it then. By then you can decide the best way to sell it, and for how much.

I'd hate for you to selll it, then later on think you should have kept it yourself. So consider the following:

If this provides the same protection of the grey owlite, then why would you make a normal owlite? Wouldn't you be better off with a shield that provides 3 types of defense (normal, piercing & elemental)***. This may be useful if you plan to play long and hope that the release of new content will make piercing protection more valuable (like more monsters that have pierce, damage or a boss, etc.)

However, this thing would fetch a high price, and even more if it were more relevant, so you may have a more enjoyable time selling it off and using all the proceeds to get your other equipment.

***EDIT: Resists, i completely forgot about those... -_- owlite has resists the defender line doesn't have

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:30

#10

Sinxeno

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Here is a post for people who

Here is a post for people who were crafter stuck with items for friends that they couldn't trade since the patch was incredibly sudden. The suddenness and extremity of the patch is why a lot of the community was outraged.

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/8728

Also, they said they were going to release a patch with the ability to unbind items in the future in this post:

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/8736

I personally think it is a silly idea and will not calm people's outrage, but it can't hurt I guess especially when people have amazing UV's like you do.

Personally, I would craft it to a 3* and post on the bazaar that you are selling that item and make it explicitly clear that you have to "gift" them the item. Or you could just wait until they release the unbinding to try to sell it.

Also, I switched from a defender to an owlite shield once I leveled it up to a Mighty Defender. The shock resistance is incredibly helpful and you will notice it when you run into the dreaded quicksilvers later (also shock robots can be brutal).

If you ever do sell the shield, don't let it go for anything cheaper than 5k CE.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:32

#11

Sypsy

@hdragon40 --- the shield is

@hdragon40 --- the shield is already bound to him. upgrading it will not unbind it..? At least to my knowledge...

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:39

#12

Sylus

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Understandable, plenty of

Understandable, plenty of good points all around. That's mainly why I was considering even keeping the Defender when I was comparing to other same * shields. I got it mainly because of the high Normal on it without really debating on the long run haha. :| I can't make any final decisions until I get off work later on today anyway unfortunately.

Thanks for all the feedback on all this though, with the flame wars against the producers and their reps here, I wasn't expecting too much haha. Glad to be proven wrong. Though if that Gift thing does work I could try that one out after I get an Owlite made to replace it~ Seems the unbind isn't implemented yet =(

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:40

#13

Etendue

Yes, but you would have to

Yes, but you would have to wait until it's released, and we all know OOO goes at their own pace. Right now, the selling price of that shield could potentially get you a vog cub set or something. . I would actually recommend for you to hold on to it for now, because a piercing damage release would help it a lot. It's really up to you though.

P.S. Shields with good UVs exponentially rise in price as they go up higher in their respective tech trees. That is why I'm telling him to craft it up. An Aegis with Max elemental UV would be worth sooooo much more. Prices scale in favor of the crafter when great UVs are concerned.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:44

#14

Etendue

Also, alchemizing anything

Also, alchemizing anything under 4-5 star will not cause it to be bound. Same as before.

If they changed that, I actually would have asked for a refund and quit.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:44

#15

Shue-Donnym

"Wolver to Vog cub is the way to go"

Note: Only for those interested in becoming generic clones.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:55

#16

Sinxeno

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You are a Winner!

Only told him to sell the 3* because I doubt he will level up the item all the way to 5* with the limited resources he has and the limited grace period for the gifting offer. You have until May 23rd before they will be removing the ability to gift items away. You can however wait for the next patch where they will unbind items which may or may not be released in a month (Only Three Rings knows).

hdragon40 is correct when he says the item will increase in value if you can level it up higher to its more advanced tiers. If you do sell the shield now or a month down the road, it will be able to supply you with all the resources you will need for probably the rest of your Spiral Knights experience.

Only reason I advocate you to use a different shield is because I don't want to see you make the same mistake I did with using the Defender line until I was brutally murdered in tier 3 by an abundant amount of elemental attacks. Also, your shield UV is like winning the lottery for this game: you can cash out or you can equip it, but you will likely never see any UV this good for the rest of the game. It is a difficult decision indeed and if you are wondering what the odds are; people theorize -

Chance of UV: 10%

When you get a UV for shields or armor, it will be:
Low: ~75%
Medium: ~20%
High: ~5%
Maximum: ~1%

The chance of you getting a maximum elemental defense UV is roughly .01%. There are 11 types of UV's armor and shields can have and elemental/normal are the best that you can get.

Whatever you do, welcome to the Spiral Knights community and I hope all this information helps.

IGN: Sinxeno

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 08:08

#17

Pupu

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Hahaha

>The fire resistance of vog cub, and the weapon attack speed bonus it gives is essential endgame.
>That and the elemental + normal resistance can't be beaten.
Lol.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 08:13

#18

Sylus

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Indeed~ Thanks to everyone

Indeed~ Thanks to everyone here for opinions and such! A lot more helpful of a community than I was figuring it out to be with the recent rage-fests and what not. I'll think about it over the course of the day here and I'll get back on if I'm gunna see if I can part with it or not. The owlite seems like a better investment, but lower normal over the resists. Are the resists passive or like the rest of the shield stats, only applied when your shield is raised?

IGN: Sylus

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 08:17

#19

Njthug

Shield stats are only applied

Shield stats are only applied when your shield is raised.

Aegis vs Plate series I would pick the plate series since you have two very good choices. Owlite shield is not bad either I use it, but the lack of normal defense is a negative for it. (normal uv's on it is useful though)

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Aegis vs Plate Series?