Spiral Knights - Lockdown Survey

Lockdown Survey

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Thu, 09/19/2013 - 22:32

Deleted-Knight

There are many factors that affect one's Lockdown performance (damage, caps, and defends).
In your opinion, of all the things that influence performance what percent is...

gear (including UVs and trinkets)
skill (strategy, reflexes, etc.)
connection (lag, latency, etc.)
luck (ambush advantage, hit by stray bullet, etc.)
synergy (protect teammates, cap together, etc.)
other (must specify)

To the mathematically challenged: The percentages must add to 100.

If you feel it differs among tiers, feel free to make separate stats for each tier!

Bonus Question: What best describes you in Lockdown?
"pro"
"pro-ish"
"noob-ish"
"noob"
"troll who plays solely to make people rage"

Thu, 09/19/2013 - 22:41

Deleted-Knight

My responses

gear: 20%
skill: 35%
connection: 30%
luck: 5%
synergy: 10%

This is for T2. I haven't played enough T3 or T1 to make a specific judgement.
I will say that skill matters less in T3 while connection, luck, and synergy matter more.

I would describe myself as "pro-ish"

Thu, 09/19/2013 - 22:53

Klipik-Forum

T2:

gear: 30%
skill: 40%
connection: 10%
luck: 5%
synergy: 15%
somewhere between pro and pro-ish, depending on who you ask
T3:

gear: 50%
skill: 20%
connection 5%
luck: 20%
synergy: 5%
noob-ish due to my lack of AT, UVs, pentas, and luck.

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 00:14

Cobaltstarfire

noob-ish

T3 noob-ish (I play a "decent" guardian, I don't perform consistently, and while I can create a really good distraction or hold a point (or slow its capture) for a really long time, I do not excel at defeating people, but I am good at softening them up so that someone else with better aim can defeat them).

gear 35% (I definitely saw an increase in survivability when I got a BAB early on, and more recently when I invested in heart trinkets)
skill 30% (My gear isn't great, but I know I have slowly gotten better independent of slight gear changes and upgrades)
connection 5% (sometimes I have latency issues, it doesn't normally change much though)
luck 5% (sometimes I get lucky, most of the time I don't)
synergy 25% (Because I generally run support, or defend points I prefer to group up with others as much as possible, this only works well with people who are more aware of what is going on with capture points and who is where).

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 00:49

Dragneel-Wiki

Tier 3 LD
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-gear: 10% (Let's be honest. The player the pwns the crap out of you with Skolver, will also pwn the crap out of you in proto.)

-skill: 20% (It's not too hard to learn the basics, but the more you play - and die - you will eventually get better in to time, assuming that you have somewhat decent latency.)

-connection: 55% (Seriously, if you have over 150ping, you are basically screwed unless you TRAIN DAMN VERY WELL.)

-luck: 5% (I don't even think it matters, but sometimes, it happens...)

-synergy: 0% (Not really important.)

Coming from a 2 years LDer.

Bonus Question:

Pretty much as Klipik. Sometimes better than everyone, and other times, I go below the "pro" par.

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 01:25

Zeddy

To win a match:
gear: 30% (5% being able to walk through haze bombs, 30% heart pendants)
skill: 30%
connection: 30%
luck: 10%
synergy: 15%

I use bombs so I can mostly win matches, but in 1v1 I'm awful against anyone who knows what they're doing. For a couple of weeks I tried out heart pendants and suddenly I could stand toe-to-toe against anyone but the most elite.

To score the most damage:
gear: 40%
skill: 5%
connection: 5%
luck/rigging the match: 40%
synergy: 10%

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 04:01

Our-Little-Ajo

Umm

Gear : 10%
Skill : 0%
Conection : 10%
Luck : there's no such thing.
Synergy : wtf.
OOO aiming for you : 80%

I tested myself during the last week with blueflood, red, and others, Brandish with AT needs no skill to dominate a match.

Now I only need an Argent to spam and cut attacks.

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 04:19

Zeddy

I have a Brandish and no skill, yet I am unable to dominate anything with it no matter how hard I hold my AT button.

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 18:48

Tenkii

Personally

As a recon in t3:

Gear : 20% - Need ASI gear (ex: justifier as gunslinger, sword attack speed trinkets)
Skill : 10% - Enough to counter latency
Connection : 15% - Enough to have bearable latency
Luck : 45% - Ambush, status, status, status, status, status, status, status
Synergy : 10% - Sacrificing teammates as decoys

@Bonus question:
people get mad at me
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also heart pendants suck and are useless for recon. get@me, strikers

this is a joke post btw, since I'm about to leave for work lolol

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 04:51

Blue-Flood

You need to hold it harder

You need to hold it harder Zeddy. When the key starts to crack you know you got it.

On to topic...
I can rate myself. The best part of LD is the variety, be it gear or players. Everyone has a strength if they play long enough to find it.

Gear - 10
Skill (experience?) - 20
Connection - 10
Luck - 1
Synergy - 19
Other - 40
Knowing your players! Be it teammates or opponents. Everyone has to be manipulated a different way.

Bonus: I try to win? Or play around if the game is absurdly imbalanced.

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 04:52

#10

Bleyken

It depends, in RLD:

Gear 20%
Skill 30%
Conection 40%
luck 5%
synergy 5%

in GvG:

Gear 10%
Skill 10%
Conection 20%
luck 5%
synergy 55%

Bonus question:

Pro and troll

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 08:25

#11

Grugwasasailor

hola mis amigos mexicanos contri y felchr

for gunning

gear: 5%
skill: 10%
connection: 85% #auslyfe
luck: 0% doesn't exist
synergy: 0%

swording

gear: 25%
skill: 5%
connection: 45%
luck: 0% still don't believe in this
synergy: 25%

for gvg games as either sword or gunner

gear: negligible
skill: negligible
connection: 50%
luck: doesnt exist
synergy: 50%

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 11:06

#12

Deleted-Knight

I think some people misunderstood

This is not a ranking of what matters most to you personally, it's about a holistic judgement of what influences any player's performance.
Clearly someone with the best gear would not worry about enemy gear, and someone with consistent good connection will not worry about enemy connection. The point is what factors are more important relative to each other?

Feller, I hate to call you out, but your assertion is ridiculous. You're saying a completely unskilled person (like a 10 year old playing SK for the first time) with horrible connection (like 1 second latency) can beat a super skilled person (like yourself) with great connection (like 6 ms latency), as long as he has auto-target on. Just because auto-target makes it so much easier to get damage for you doesn't mean it greatly helps everyone that plays Lockdown.

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 11:32

#13

Jawny

Tier 3 LD
gear (including UVs and trinkets) - 20%
skill (strategy, reflexes, etc.) - 20%
connection (lag, latency, etc.) - 30%
luck (ambush advantage, hit by stray bullet, etc.) - 1% (20% if you're using drivers)
synergy (protect teammates, cap together, etc.) - 9%
Auto-Target - 20%

Tier 3 GvG
gear - 10%
skill - 10%
connection - 20%
luck - 0%
synergy - 10%
AT - 50%

I'm not hating on AT, but those comboes are super easy to land and do amazing damage. it's like leblanc burst with Riot aiming your skills for you.

Bonus Question: What best describes you in Lockdown?
Pro superpower AT spammer
Noobie noob without AT

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 16:43

#14

Cobaltstarfire

My answers are based on my personal observations playing the game, with rationalizations added in relevant to me I guess. It may be flawed but I can only judge based on my own personal experience. (so they're kind of for me personally, but also for playing in general)

Basically I know that some gear choices have made a difference to me as a player, I also know that with time I have grown in ability. But I've also observed that you can have the gear and still not be that good (just looking at the occasional geared person I roll over/nearly kill/confound by running in circles, as a mediocre player that tells me that gear isn't everything).

As far as the rest go, I can't say anything on luck or latency, but I do think synergy is important. I only play random since I am guid-less, and generally speaking a more cohesive team that does less damage but gets the caps and defends is going to do better than a team of players running around like a bunch of blood thirsty headless chickens.

I am still of course just a noobish player that so I'm probably totally wrong (experience from a single player doesn't really amount to much after all). Either way the numbers I picked out still stand for the most part.

Although, I really don't understand why people complain about AT, I got much better once I figured out how to turn it off, and I was under the impression that it's only really helpful if you're using a gun...but meh? I guess...

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 18:12

#15

Grimranger

T3 LD as a whole
Gear: 35% (assuming it's a 1v1, the more skilled person still has a shot if they know what they're doing)
Skill: 28%
Connection: 25%
Luck: 7%
Synergy: 5%

Bonus question:
don't mean to be a jerk, but I'd say I'm pro
inb4 everyone hates me

Right now the amount of skill used as a whole in LD (not just T3) is at a very low point, in my opinion.
So many DA/GFs and Polarises. These weapons may help you get damage and probably help you win, but I swear that your skill level goes down when using them.

My speculations:
80% of people who use a heavy sword in Lockdown regularly would be terrible without it
50% of people who use Polaris stink with other guns (except maybe if you're AAPing)

If someone held a proto-only LD tournament (proto gear only, no uvs, 2 slots, no trinkets) then:
Gear: 0%
Skill: 40%
Connection: 40%
Luck: 10% (with such a low amount of health, one lucky swing could mean a big diff, but luck still is speculation)
Synergy: 10%

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 18:18

#16

Klipik-Forum

I see Feller is an exception to his own rule, since he constantly complains about having constant red bar and using no AT and brags about how easy it is to get 40k.

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 19:00

#17

Our-Little-Ajo

Yo kiddo

I'm describing the 99,9999% of the actual "pros", not myself.

My case

Know how : 90
Connection : 10

I'm not a ultra skilled, but if someday OOO removes aimbot, I'll be running alone just because I "know how".

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 19:28

#18

Brother-Zeke

Triple category

T2:
Gear: 20% (I have a nice huge variety of stuff but no UV's)
Skill: 30% (No AT. Ever. Nor trinks. Not once.)
Connection: 25% (I don't lag much but when I do...aghhh)
Luck: 15% (When that random status counts)
Synergy: 10%

Bonus Question: The pro/pro-ish troll who uses underused weapons

T3:
Gear: 20% (Again, a ton of stuff and no UV's)
Skill: 40% (See above)
Connection: 25% (See above)
Luck: 5% (Maybe the stun on the Callahan when striking)
Synergy: 10%

Bonus Question: Pretty much the same thing.

T3 Recon:
Gear: 8% (My main set is Vog+Snarby+GF+DBB, only have an ASI low UV on the GF which I don't care for)
Skill: 28% (Timing it so I don't ping the enemies+actual use of cloak)
Connection: 37% (Pretty important for me)
Luck: 19% (Depends if I can land a combo from the ambush+deathmark)
Synergy: 8% (When I randomly deathmark someone for teammates to finish off)

Bonus Question: Fairly decent pro

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 19:47

#19

Sirius-Voltbreaker

T2
Kat claw hood.3*
Magic cloack. 2*
Firotech alchemer
Twistee snarble barb
Stable rocket hammer.

70% pro

T3
Miracle hood4*
Divine mantle.5*
Boltbrand.4*
Thorn blade.4*
Warmaster Rocketvhammer5*

When not lagging
60% pro

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 19:52

#20

Sirius-Voltbreaker

...

Gear in t2:
Armor 10%
Weapons 20%
Skill 40%
Lag 30%

T3
,
Armor 5%
Weapons 10%
Skill 35%
Lag 38%
Being spammed 12%

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 22:24

#21

Grimranger

my gosh learn to read you morons
it's what you think the average LD player/LD community is, not what you are.

Fri, 09/20/2013 - 23:20

#22

Abelisk

Gear = 95%

Skill = 2%

Connection = 2%

Luck = 0.5%

Synergy = 0.5%

Bonus Q: Used to be pro, then pro-ish, now noob-ish.

Sat, 09/21/2013 - 02:33

#23

Krakob

Gear: 45%
Skill: 15%
Connection: 10%
Luck: 25% (other team has leavers, better players get into your team, etc.)
Synergy: 5%

Bonus question: pro-ish, I guess? I have a good amount of skill but I can't arsed maintaining two trinket slots or grinding for pay to win UVs.

Sat, 09/21/2013 - 10:32

#24

Offense-Armor

I think that most people

I think that most people assume that T3 requires less skill than T2 because if you GF combo spam everywhere than you'll be fine, but everyone else can GF combo you too. I think it scales because dodging is much more important in T3 than T2. I think Connection deserves at least 30% because nothing can make up for connection (luck and synergy can make up for skill and gear). Like Dragneel said, people who whup you in skolver can probably also beat you in proto. So I think gear deserves 15%. Luck (if your talking about ambushing and getting the first strike) is very useful in T3, but not really in T2 (15% in T3 and 5% in T2). Synergy is a bit hard to evaluate. However, in T3 a skilled striker can take down an entire team solo. In T2 thats pretty much impossible. Even people in proto can contribute if they go guardian and cap points. Battles are also longer in T2 which means that overall strategy is more important than single battles (10% in T3 and 15% in T2). Skill I actually think is more important in T3 than T2. In T3 every hit you take is possibly fatal, so dodging is very very important. In T2 you can mess up, take a few hits, and still win the fight. Basically dodging isn't as important in T2 because of more room for error. I know that I'm much more concentrated in T3 than in T2(30% in T3 and 25% in T2).

T2 LD
Gear - 15%
Skill - 25%
Connection - 30%
Luck - 5%
Synergy - 15%

T3 LD
Gear - 15%
Skill - 30%
Connection - 30%
Luck - 15%
Synergy - 10%

(Everything also scales based on skill. As the overall skill level of a game increases, so does the importance of gear, connection, luck, and synergy.)

Bonus Question: Pro in T2. Noob-ish in T3.

Sat, 09/21/2013 - 11:34

#25

Deleted-Knight

Thanks for the all the

Thanks for the all the responses!

It was interesting reading the opinions of other people. I think it's safe to say most people think skill makes up less than 50% of success, which in my opinion is kind of negative since Lockdown is supposed to be a game about skill and cooperation (yeah, synergy ratings were abysmal too).
I think it might be nice if this survey can be conducted in a couple years or so to see if perceptions have changed. Although I have doubts I will still be playing SK by then, maybe someone else can dig this up.

BTW, there is an alarming number of responders who are mathematically challenged. Percentages have to sum to 100...Please add up your numbers and make sure they make sense.

Sat, 09/21/2013 - 11:49

#26

Warp-Master

To play Lockdown: Gear:

To play Lockdown:
Gear: 40%
Skill: 30%
Connection: 15%
Luck: 5%
Synergy: 10%

To play Team Super Brawl with classes:
Gear: 60%
Skill: 10%
Connection: 15%
Luck: 15%
Synergy: 0%

Guess what 95% of the people in the Coliseum do.

Bonus question: I don't play Lockdown, see above for why.

Sun, 09/22/2013 - 01:51

#27

Proer

My opinion

Gear: 15%(don't really see much difference in my game style without weapon or trinket slots except easier to die)
Skill: 30%
Connection: 15%
Luck: 5%
Synergy: 35%( i find it a lot easier to cap as a team and fight)
P.S. if the whole team are bombers I'd say i would give synergy 95% and connection 5% so i could kill people :p(bomber teams are sick :D)

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 18:25

#28

Spring-At-Peace

I lost respect for you Cradac

Anyways:

T1&T2:

Gear: 20% (For now)
Skill: 45% (Meh: haven't used AT since I started the game, plus Mini me use)
Connection: 2% (1/50 chance I'd DC)
Luck: 7% (Too many sevens in my life along with having a match where everyone except 3 people were there and that there was an actual 3v3 match that one time)
Synergy: 26% (I focus on capping before slapping, unless there is opposite team trying to stop me. Also most players on team follow me whenever I'm rolling around to a cap and such)

T3:

DC chance: 15% (Hey: it lags like heck there)
Skill: 35% (Not enough weapons plus how everyone depends on Uvs)
Gear: 15%
Synergy: 25% (Meh: damage horses everywhere so I always get most caps and usually when bombers are around, I help with long range by using some guns)
Luck: 10% (I blame being on teams with my pro friends)

Overall, I am pro-ish troll, because I like to make certain people rage >:L

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 19:02

#29

Deleted-Knight

Spring, I was not aware you

Spring, I was not aware you had any respect for me in the first place, so thanks. Also, it would be nice in the future to explain what compelled you to make such a statement.

May I also politely point out post #12. Based on your comments, I don't think you followed the survey instructions.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 20:48

#30

Clown-Nine

10% gear 30% skill 30%

10% gear
30% skill
30% connection
5% luck
25% playing with friends/people you know

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 09:44

#31

Firetorpedo

Okay...

To be honest, this what I have for gunners, swordies, and mix of both.

Gunner

Gear: 25%
Skill: 15% (To be able to sling alchs fast, or have perfect aim)
Connection: 25% (No lag please.)
Luck: 20% (SHOCK, FREEZE, FIRE, and die.)
Synergy: 15% (It's good you have a guardian next to you.)

Swordies

Gear: 25%
Skill: 35%
Connection: 15% (No lag please.)
Luck: 5% (Rarely you will need luck.)
Synergy: 20% (Let the other people be bait, but you rather let them live to cap faster.)

Mix of gunners and swordies

Gear: 25%
Skill: 35%
Connection: 20% (No lag please.)
Luck: 10%
Synergy: 10% (If you spam Polaris/Supernova)

Lastly I think you got to have the perfect loadouts against your enemies.
ANY

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 10:47

#32

Tehepicwin

Mah opinion

T2
----------
Gear:20%
Skill:30%
Connection:35%
Luck:5%
Synergy:10%
Rating myself:Pro, being able to get 4 caps and 6k damage without trinkets.

T3
----------
Gear:30%
Skill:20%
Connection:35%
Luck:5%
Synergy:10%
Rating myself: Noob-ish, but at least I can get 4k with winmillion and ash tail. :)

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 22:24

#33

Spring-At-Peace

You derp.

I did follow the survey instructions and had some people even compliment me by the standards I have labeled. By gear wise, I might have a whole list of them, but they aren't the best out of the best. Plus, I do overview others gears and checking how they'd do, yet some of this stuff (Skolver use, complaints of lag, Hammer spam, pulsar spam, etc., etc.) gets kind of old. I seriously would like to play as a normal drake guardian with cautery, twisted snarble barb, sealed sword, and nightblade, yet times have changed and how some people ruined the drake scale use. So yeah, missed the old days and whatnot.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 22:41

#34

Blue-Flood

I duno man, I've been rockin the justifier gear lately and getting good caps and damage with it. I'm sure you could rock that drake and dominate with enough practice!

Mon, 10/07/2013 - 11:39

#35

Theirillusion

Auto target: 50 %
Maximum health points: 15 %
Skills: 10 %
Connection: 10 %
Frames per second: 10 %
Gear: < 5 %
Luck: < 1%

Status dependent players (Basic attack status inflict weapons): Luck = 50 %, rest are equivalently spread over the other 50 %.

Rating yourself as "pro" should mean you either:
1. Set "Skills" very low. And everything is higher than "Auto target" and you use auto target.
2. Aren't really that good and should play more to see you are wrong.

My rating: No AT, above average.

Mon, 10/07/2013 - 12:23

#36

Skeptics

Gear: 30% Skill: < LOL

Gear: 30%
Skill: < LOL -40%
Connection: 20%
Luck: 2%
Synergy: 25%
Garbage: 63%

Mon, 10/07/2013 - 13:56

#37

Spring-At-Peace

@ Blueflood

I have some practice with just the normal dull dusker set, but yeah I can try getting back to the DS use: Just need some of the items I don't have first is all, along with leveling it up. Done too much switchout loadouts recently for T2. :P

Mon, 10/07/2013 - 18:20

#38

Dreathuxy

Gear: 20% (them trinks)

Skill: 35% (you can't use GF if you don't know how to use it)

Connection: 15% (if you go guard, it is quite easy to get decent dmg and caps while lagging)

Luck: 10% (one little spike might make you die)

Synergy: 20% (teamwork FTW)

Bonus Question: Pro-Ish. I am capable of taking down people, but if I'm up against mini or rodeo I don't stand a chance.

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 00:37

#39

Theirillusion

mini? LOL.

What agreat example of a good player in LD.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 19:37

#40

Gianor

How I play with what I have....which isn't much

Gear: 10%
Skill: 60%
Connection: 1%
Luck: 5%
Synergy: 14%
Other (what stage we're on): 10%

I'd describe myself as pro-ish, if I had trinks, then I'd put myself under pro.

Fri, 10/18/2013 - 07:03

#41

Xtremeking

Wat da fug srsly

You totally need gare skill connection that all and the most of it is skill

Tue, 10/22/2013 - 05:41

#42

Terrty

LOL FELLER

Here for me

gear 0%

skill 100% :O

luck that doesnt exist mate

synergy ¿¿¿¿¿?????¿¿¿¿¿¿

I would describe myself as pro and troll

@feller you forgot something on your list-spam 9000000000%

nah jk, you are like me, you dunno how to spam

Tue, 10/22/2013 - 05:41

#43

Terrty

LOL FELLER

Here for me

gear 0%

skill 100% :O

luck that doesnt exist mate

synergy ¿¿¿¿¿?????¿¿¿¿¿¿

I would describe myself as pro and troll

@feller you forgot something on your list-spam 9000000000%

nah jk, you are like me, you dunno how to spam

Tue, 10/22/2013 - 14:09

#44

Sirius-Voltbreaker

T2
Gear 30%
Skill 50%
Connection 10%
Luck 0%
Synergy 10%

Pro-ish

T3
Gear 5%
Skill 60%
Connection 15%
Luck 10%
Synergy 10%
Pro-ish

Tue, 10/22/2013 - 15:10

#45

Autofire

You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

gear 27.5%
skill 17.5%
connection 15%
luck 10%
synergy 35%

Pro-ish

Tue, 10/22/2013 - 17:12

#46

Klipik-Forum

oh dear

It seems the spanish mafia's roster has just grown.

Tue, 10/22/2013 - 18:40

#47

Terrty

double post

Tue, 10/22/2013 - 19:41

#48

Rezzler

Autofire, check your

Autofire, check your math

Here is my opinion:

Gear- 40%
Skill- 5%
Connection- 40%
Luck- 10%
Synergy- 5%

Gear and connection make all the difference. Its like the ping is reaction time in a fight, and the person with better reaction time, better UVs, will win. Skill isnt a huge factor because of how unbalanced OOO made it. They need to fix so many things....I wont list em because it would cause too many idiotic responses that inevitably occur.

And since I have not played LD yet (4* only), I cannot classify myself.
Luck- Just when you lag or not will affect battles. And synergy? Matters, but compared to a team of independent damahe hungry losers, cant really do much.

Tue, 10/22/2013 - 20:05

#49

Klipik-Forum

Connection is not as important as some people think; you can get used to your lag if it's within reason. For example, one of my guildmates plays at a constant 3 bar connection and is pretty good. (At LD ofc) I consier myself about equal to him, and I play at a constant 4 bar connection at around 15ms. Today I was playing a match with him when my connection unexpectedly dropped to somewhere in the 3 bar range and stayed there. I wasn't adapted to that specific level of latency and so I was basically completely useless, while my guildmate who has that amount of lag all the time can handle it, compensate for it, and play completely fine. So maybe it's better to say stable connection is more important than fast connection.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 01:00

#50

Theirillusion

Exactly, I only suffer from 3 bars when i have not played on US server for a while.

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