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Spiral Knights needs to bring meaning and integrity to its leaderboards

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Sat, 09/21/2013 - 17:35
Mayaura's picture
Mayaura

There’s no denying or avoiding the fact that Lockdown has become a major part of Spiral Knights, perhaps an even bigger part than 3 rings first envisioned. Therefore, it is high time that 3 rings gave us leaderboards that reflect the importance of this aspect of the game.

When the leaderboards first appeared, many players probably rejoiced to have some record of weekly achievement while simultaneously being disappointed in what exactly was being measured. The point system is “pointless” – a toilet paper thin disguise for a mere record of who plays the most games. Any players with the time to burn and the obsessive desire to do so can sit atop the leaderboards regardless of skill or merit.

Furthermore, there is no realistic way of stopping “cheating”. Any guild can create an alternate to guild to play against in order to inflate their numbers. This is true whether the leaderboards simply measure number of games played, winning percentage, damage points, or anything else. Guilds could even selectively limit their play to much weaker guilds, even going so far as bribing other guilds to roll over.

There are a few things that Spiral Knights could do to give meaning and integrity to the leaderboards.

First, in order to make the leaderboards a meaningful measure of skill, make the leaderboards a measure of highscore winning average. Limit games to 5 minutes or whatever. The leaderboards could reflect the highest winning score for a guild that has played at least 20 games (or whatever) against at least 5 different guilds (or whatever).

Second, the Game Masters need to treat “cheating” of the system as they would other games violations. Cheating in this case would be using a guild of alts to inflate one’s standing, or selectively playing only a few guilds repeatedly for the same effect. If the programming gives Game Masters a record of who guilds are playing against, they could easily spot abuses.

Response to violations would follow the system Game Masters currently use.

1) a warning: post it in the guild’s daily message on their guild hall console. It could stay there for 3 days (or whatever) and could not be changed or removed during that time.

2) a temporary ban FROM THE LEADERBOARDS ONLY: this would be from a Sunday to Saturday.

3) Should the warning and temp ban fail to stop the cheating, the offending guild would be permanently banned FROM THE LEADERBOARDS ONLY. They could still play lockdown as much as they wish, but would forfeit their privilege to appear on the leaderboards.

NOTE: This is not a rant against or attack on The Jempire. They are almost certainly the most skilled guild in Lockdown and with so much of a headstart that no other guild will likely catch them anytime soon, but the current system does not give them a chance to prove this, while leaving them open to criticism, fair or unfair as it may be.

3 Rings, please remove the current leaderboards that only serve to clown you and frustrate your player base, and install oversight and replace the leaderboards with those that reflect skill and reward merit with integrity.

Thank you.

Sat, 09/21/2013 - 18:48
#1
Isekuube's picture
Isekuube
Derp. :3

Cheating in this case would be using a guild of alts to inflate one’s standing, or selectively playing only a few guilds repeatedly for the same effect.
So, what you're saying is that The Jempire can no longer play against the Minions to train and get better? Or you're saying that we can't constantly do GvG games to, again, increase our skill? I noticed that you said that that wasn't an attack on The Jempire, but, what other guilds do that?

Sat, 09/21/2013 - 19:45
#2
Feyi-Feyi's picture
Feyi-Feyi

Think it's kind of the point that no one else does it.

That being said: nobody really cares about the leader boards.
They can be done away with in total imo.

Sat, 09/21/2013 - 21:39
#3
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Reto-Da-Liz

Jempire's alt guild: http://s78.photobucket.com/user/pinkfunkymonkey666/media/hXc2.png.html

hXc!!

Sun, 09/22/2013 - 00:26
#4
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Krakob

I agree with Feyi. The leaderboards are just pointless. Removal or a remake would be better than punishing guilds for doing like they do. I think it's a good thing that you can play against your own for the bit of money it costs to make it.

Mon, 09/23/2013 - 21:35
#5
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Klipik-Forum

This will fix all of our problems

Tue, 09/24/2013 - 06:43
#6
Our-Little-Ajo
+1

Even when I see no solution to alts guild, because in-game they are an external guild, and if they change the name to a "regular name" they will farm just like now.

That guild don't have the greatest players, and they are not the best guild. You don't need to fix nothing to realize that, they are good or the best just for themselves. Old players feel no respect for that guild or most of their members.

Wed, 09/25/2013 - 08:46
#7
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Momofuku

It looks like this is referring only to GVG. I don't know if I agree that GVG lockdown is "a big part of Spiral Knights" since pretty much every GVG game needs to be coordinated in advance.

The reason why? Not every guild has 6 strong LD players.

The easiest way to encourage more lockdown gameplay is to make GVG UV-less and trinket-less. Now any guild with six 5-star players can compete.

How else could you expect all but the most elite guilds to play GVG at all? This is regardless of how you want to balance out the leaderboard point system.

Is the objective to eventually get most guilds able to compete in GVG or to have GVG as an elite battleground of the best of the best? That's up to OOO to decide how they want GVG and lockdown altogether to be viewed.

(When only a single digit number of people are queued in GVG when a game logs at least 1000 people ingame at any given time, I'd be hard pressed to say it's a "big part" of the game. It is for some people, but it is out of reach for the majority to even enter.)

Wed, 09/25/2013 - 16:56
#8
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Retequizzle
-Meaning -Integrity -Leaderbo

-Meaning
-Integrity
-Leaderboards

Pick two.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 06:33
#9
Theirillusion's picture
Theirillusion

Why do you have to make this about trinkets and UVs. This is a perfectly good suggestion.
This is about the leaderboards and not guardians and recons vs strikers

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