Spiral Knights - People still use the WHB? That's hilarious!

People still use the WHB? That's hilarious!

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Mon, 09/23/2013 - 14:45

Nascarfan

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the DVS do the same / larger amount of damage to poisoned monsters then WHB on a beast?

Also, I'm pretty sure a BTB or Final Flourish does more damage to beasts?

But that's piercing, and some stuff resists that.

But I'm still surprised people use WHB, I still warn new players who use cutter line about WHB.

Bloody hell, I even got kicked from a party at the very end for telling a chaos set guy - "WHB isn't the greatest weapon, DVS is better for the poison, and Chaos Set has more potential than that of a Striker Weapon."

Boom, InstaKick.

Back to the point, do you guys even use WHB?

Mon, 09/23/2013 - 14:47

Voza-Il

Best looking sword in the

Best looking sword in the game.

Herp da derp

Mon, 09/23/2013 - 14:49

Nascarfan

@Vova

I think the Cold Iron Vanquisher or any swords with an aura around them (BTB and FF use to have a streak, DVS toxic aura, other aura like weapons) are the best looking.

But hey, everyone has different opinions!

Mon, 09/23/2013 - 15:02

Zeddy

You're wrong. Consider yourself corrected.

You don't really use WHB for the beast bonus, you use it because the charge attack can juggle gremlins and stagger turrets. DVS can't do that.

Mon, 09/23/2013 - 15:47

Flowchart

I use it cause it makes wolver noises. You don't have to use perfectly optimal gear at all times.

Mon, 09/23/2013 - 16:34

Earthboundimmortal

I like it for these reasons:

1:awesome turret murderer
2: good at taking out lumbers
3: if i corner a beast, it dies before it can attack at all (and before others come)
4: awesome animation
5: i dont like flourish's cause they move me too much

Mon, 09/23/2013 - 17:03

Battlegrinder

I use it because my maskeraith provides all the poison support I need, so I can pick the the less efficient weapon and not be held back.

Mon, 09/23/2013 - 18:46

Voza-Il

@Nascarfan Ok, CIV is pretty

@Nascarfan Ok, CIV is pretty sick. But in terms of attack animations, you really can't beat WHB (in terms of swords).

For guns its Callahan, and for bombs its BAB CTR MAX FTW

Wed, 09/25/2013 - 14:23

Keatonfrost

Ahoy, Mateys...?

You don't like spammy/juggle/DASGIFDGERH weapons? Nascarfan, go into the corner and think about your life.
[EDIT] Nobody wants to be SRS about this.

Thu, 09/26/2013 - 10:07

Krakob

You use WHB to roflstomp Wolver Dens by combining the WHB charge with an EV or GV. Add a haze bomb for some extra spice.

Thu, 09/26/2013 - 12:13

#10

Kamishinlnoyari

Where's the challenge?

Yeah, DVS does more overall damage because of poison but you'll often kill your enemy before it gets poisoned... and yeah, DVS attacks faster than WHB.
BUT my opinion is that the best weapon is the weapon that you like most, after you've turned off "Show damage numbers". SK is a game which means that having FUN>Damage, More Challenge>Damage (at least in PvE). If you like to hear "Rawr!" every time you press the attack button, you should choose WHB, no matter how much damage it does.

Thu, 09/26/2013 - 12:25

#11

Raunwynn

Lol.

I'd like to read the post-kick conversation.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 03:06

#12

Geosmin

+1 to what BattleGrinder said; I was gonna go for the Poison one because I like having Poison available, but Battle Sprites means I can have my cake and eat it, too. As Zeddy pointed out, WHB is better for slapping Gremlins around, and Cutters in general are probably among the best weapons for getting the most out of quills.

WHB deals its bonus damage with every hit, reliably: none of that wiffle-waffle "chance to" business, so I'd be rather surprised if I found out that on average DVS outperforms WHB vs. Beasts. The very tankiest Beasts are where Poison would have the most chance to catch up and surpass the Beast bonus, and Alpha Wolvers still don't take long at all for me to Strike down.

I expect a toothpick to deal more damage to Beasts, but the Cutters' Normal damage means I'm free to load up on Pierce weapons because I don't need to tie up a weapon slot just to handle the Lumbers that often show up in Wolver Dens.

P.S. The whole idea of comparing the Cutters in terms of practical effectiveness seems silly to me, though, and esp. re: Beasts in particular. I don't even prefer WHB (or any weapon, for that matter) for performance against Beasts, since they're easy to deal with; for me, WHB is all about that silly-slapping joy now that I'm no longer wishing for more Poison weapons.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 12:57

#13

Noogard

People still need to maximize their damage? That's hilarious.

After the tons of nerfs that enemies have suffered allowing for cutters to be an effective and fast way to deal with enemies, without ever needing to strafe, it's funny some people still don't know how to use them. If you said what you said, the way you said it, then that's not too bad. I've had people talk down to me for my weapons choices before and I'm pretty damn sure I've outplayed them 1000+ hours and know whatever it is they want to tell me. Most people in your situation, OP, tell me that I should stop using my weapon and start using a different one as if they command me. It gets old fast.

Now my sexy WHB is firstly the sexiest of all swords, secondly the most fun, and thirdly the most satisfying to use. Coming up with ways to take down certain enemies without getting hit and learning how to use a somewhat challenging sword in dangerous situations is freaking awesome! After how much I've gotten in this game the best way to keep it fun is creating new challenges for myself or by approaching situations differently with weapons I might not use otherwise.

I'm sure after you hit the 1400 hour mark you might start realizing that having fun is important too.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 16:59

#14

Xephyris

Favourite weapon in the game

The WHB has amazing bonuses
+4(Very High) to beasts
+5 swag factor
+5 hipster factor
+5 badass factor

Frankly my favorite weapon in the game. If you look at its stats in theory it looks bad, but only when you use it in practice can you understand the sheer badassery of the sword. With full skolver at fsc I do about 300~odd damage. I sometimes even prefer it in fsc over DA or glacius

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 22:43

#15

Blue-Flood

Punch trolled me and gave me asi VH on my WHB... and the attack animation is def the best out of all the swords. I feel obligated to dominate with this sword in the clockworks.

Also in LD i'm fairly sure it helps test your latency (take a swing and see how long before the wolver head comes out). I noticed a signifigant difference between US and EU servers when swinging with this thing.
Might just be my DSL though, it seems to fluctuate during certain times of the day.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 22:53

#16

Parasthesia

@Blueflood You could always

@Blueflood

You could always run that and the shock alchemer and run around tearing people without incinciframes a new one.

I don't play much t3 so I don't know if there's room for fun.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 23:27

#17

Blue-Flood

Tried that already, usually the shock wears off when i don't think it will and i eat a GF in the teeth :)
Good suggestion though.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 00:36

#18

Batabii

@xephyris

VH damage bonuses against a single enemy family aren't "Amazing"

Specialized damage weapons will almost always be better in the long run.

I don't have two weapons with the same combo, one having specialized and the other having damage bonus BUT using chaos set I can have the same effect:
Tier III guild training:
Leviathan combo + damage vh = 240+240+295
glacius combo + construct bag= 265+265+345

So I can be good vs one family and mediocre against the rest, or GREAT vs two, okay vs two, and not very good against two.

Also remember you have a minimum of two weapon slots, so there's no reason to use just one weapon type. In addition, hardly anywhere will you see more than 4 monster families in a floor.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 01:26

#19

Zeddy

@Batabii

Leviathan vs Glacius isn't a remotely fair comparison, considering Glacius does more damage against neutral targets. Glacius also benefits far more from damage bonus than Leviathan due to its dual-damage nature.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 08:00

#20

Arkate

Even after the damage boost for guns, and normal damage the Leviathan and Vanquisher are still underpowered. There are other guns and swords that simply do more damage, even on neutral targets.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 11:18

#21

Batabii

Well what would you suggest I compare? It's not as though I have nitronome or deadly shard bomb...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 11:34

#22

Kamishinlnoyari

FoV.
Only its fire makes it not-too-bad, compared to Leviathan.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 13:50

#23

Autofire

You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

@Batabii

Brandishes are broken. Use them only if you want to be in the metagame who say the game is too easy.

Oh, and they are...

Super effective!

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 02:32

#24

Viorayne

Like a School of Pirahnas...

I dont use WHB for its Beast Bonus.
I mean its nice to fill that Niche when fitting out for my Vs. Pierce Loadout...

But I use it for its speed. It gets off so many attacks while advancing on the enemy.
Even more so with 2 ASI Trinkets. (Mainly used for my 2 Big Swords, but doesnt hurt to have them for this).
And the advantage Ive found it has over DVS is that it Interrupts the attacks.

That means that while you're slashing away like Freddy Krueger as a Hedge Trimmer,
They arent hitting you back as a result of the initial charge in.

Its speed and interrupt works pretty well on the Gun Puppies too
Combined with the fact that its not a Pierce weapon means it doesnt do Peanuts to Gun Pups either.

Suuure its a tad unruly, but then you shouldve gotten enough practice using the Cutter style if you've levelled it up.
Havent even mentioned the fact its attacks are the most aesthetically pleasing.

But this is just a summary of why I use it.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 04:44

#25

Zeddy

@Batabii

How about comparing a Flourish and Leviathan? Those do the exact same base damage.

Here's all the numbers.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 14:53

#26

Hazel

I feel it pertinent to

I feel it pertinent to indicate that this thread made me craft a WHB for giggles, and I rolled ASI:VH on it during the crafting. No punch.

Having a ball with it, even if it is objectively worse in all ways than my other weapons.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 14:30

#27

Parasthesia

@Hazel Sounds like a super

@Hazel

Sounds like a super useful/fun combo to use with other piercing line armors besides wolver against beasts while retaining a vhigh (or max with barb shield) damage bonus. With all the freeze stratums running around these days, strap on that Ice Queen armor, or Mercurial for Storm Tails.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 22:13

#28

Autofire

You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

People still use the WHB? That's hilarious!

I know! When you can one shot them with trusty Brandish...why would you take this?

On topic, I'm building one. It should be handy. And it looks/sounds awesome.

Mon, 10/07/2013 - 06:48

#29

Ndognine-Forums

Darn noobs that still don't

Darn noobs that still don't know that Looks>All.

In all seriousness, its a game. If i have fun using a WHB then I'm going to use it, whether or not its the best is irrelevant.
Heck, if I want to kill Vanaduke with a Cautlery Sword or Wrench wand, I'll be damned if I'll let someone like you stop me.

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:43

#30

Zerokken

I'm building a DVS, myself.

I'm building a DVS, myself. Aiming torwards:

>Shadowsun Stetson
>Shadowsun Slicker

> DVS
> Volcanic Pepperbox / Blitz Needle / (Grim Repeater?)

>Barbarous Thorn Shield

I get a Gun Damage Very High, and Sword Damage Medium. Paired with Shadowsun's poison resistance and DVS's poison infliction, I can be mostly resistant to poison which reduces my DPS, while also inflicting it so my DPS stays high. It sounds good on paper, but I'l see in the future.

Oh, did I go too far offtopic? The WHB is pretty good for the Gloaming Vilewoods Shadow Lair due to the mass amount of Rabid Wolvers and the Rabid Snarbolax itself, otherwise not all that much advantage aside from visuals.

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People still use the WHB? That's hilarious!