You assume that OOO wants your money today, but not tomorrow, or next week. And that people aren't capable of just plain quitting.

If those assumptions were true, then what you're saying would follow.

I don't think the assumptions are sensical, and thus the rest of it doesn't follow.

Its a conspiracy theory call the FBI please

>Spiral Knights
>Difficult
Yeah... no sorry, go play some Contra.

I'm very tired of these topics trying to make OOO look like the bad guy. Yes, they made an update that was considered bad by a lot of the community, but this is ridiculous.

When I told OOO about the lag that I was experiencing and that made me die a lot, they listened to me and got back to me quite a few times to tell me what they think I should do to fix it and when I said I already did that, they went to see if it really was something on their end. Since then, the lag hasn't bothered me as much and I haven't died as often because of lag.

1. The tutorial isn't useless--I found it a bit informative. In addition, if you didn't, they have a very new advanced training hall to help with everything else.
2. How does this even infer that OOO wants us dead? Sure, maybe the gauge way of telling us how good our equipment isn't the best, but just because they used it doesn't mean they want us to die. Rather, I bet it was a aesthetic choice.
3. I don't even get how this one infers they want us to die.
4. How does this mean they rig it so you die?
5. I'll give you this one--OOO probably should give us a better gauge of how far enemies can hit, but I don't think they are sitting in a backroom going "now, let's see how to screw over our players! Oh, I know! Let's trick them about how far enemies can hit, that'll do it!"
6. I have never had any problems with the camera angle. It is far enough away where I can see things coming at me, behind me, to my side etc. Some MMOs I have played are really bad about this.
7. Maybe you shouldn't set off a million bombs at once? I have never had lag with the bomb blocks unless I set off every single one of them. If you're setting off one and it suddenly causes you to lag, maybe it is on your end. And if it becomes a really bad problem, alert support about it.

I think you're just being pissy and grabbing at straws in an attempt to blame OOO about anything. If you really hate the game that much and really think that OOO is just out to make you die and spend money, then stop playing. Simple. if the game was so unplayable and stacked against the players, OOO wouldn't have gotten ANYWHERE. Clearly, you're just in a bad mood.

"I'm not arguing that they don't want my money later. I'm arguing that they profit a whole lot more, since they made the game difficult by design."

.............Okay, I'm done taking this seriously.

So quit.

You believe, ultimately, that the company running the game is dishonest, that they are creating and with some deliberation releasing a flawed product to leech away your time and enjoyment, and act destructively towards their own playerbase.

If true, that would make them bad people who don't even love their own creative product. It means they want to squeeze pennies out of you more than they want to be good at making a game that they think is worthy. Which, really, puts them in the ranks of mustachio-twirling villains, rather than the world of real live human beings.

If that's what you believe, then run, man! Get far away from these horrible people and their dangerous sympathizers! Spread the word on their terrible conspiracy of buggy product! While you're at it, I recommend you make yourself a tinfoil hat to deflect the mind-control lasers that they must be using to FORCE you to play and STEAL your money out from your wallet.

...

Or you could just, you know, stop framing the developers as having about the same depth of action and motive as cartoon characters.

I generally try to get into the habit of working my way down a Tier with no revives, maybe 1 revive if I feel like I really, really need it. If I die, then at least I still keep all the coins and materials I gathered in the level until my doom, even if I lose the heat. So death is as expensive as you choose to make it.

And I suck at video games.

The design of the system creates situations that "capitalizes on the players failure". The system is not "designed to capitalize from player failure". Part of the enjoyment for most people of a video game is having some sort of challenge. Infinite free rez = absolutely no challenge. Actually, allowing you to rez allies by giving them your health is EXTREMELY generous in it's design.

What possible alternatives could there be for punishing "player failure?" You die and you get 2 free continues and after that you go back to haven? THat would be less efficient for us the players then allowing us to rez and continue, since deeper floors have better drops.

Selling life potions or phoenix downs to us? Crowns=energy ultimately, so if you are buying extra lives then you are paying energy to rez.

Video games having a negative consequence for deaths/failures is kinda the point. I don't see there being a positive way to remove this from the game.

I can't say I agree with the overall point Anorok is making, but you are talking about something else entirely. He is complaining about the game being difficult due to technical problems of various sorts not, for example, that the monsters are too clever or tough. Though there is a grain of truth in them lacking initiative to focus on some of these issues as long as no loss of players can be directly attributed to them.

And the camera angle has killed me more then once. It really shouldn't be more difficult to go down than in any other direction...

My god! You've opened my eyes! Your lack of grammar and half-baked stupidity have enlightened me.

If you think they're so terrible, then quit.

You won't be losing anything of value, obviously.

And neither will we.

Oh... Really?

Too bad you didn't do much for your >> STANCE <<
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/9001#comment-48602

Really? All evidence seem to point they want $$$ now.

Nice attack on my grammar. Good old diversion.
Where did the coin go?
So hows the weather.

They are terrible. It needs to be pointed out and drilled home. Unless you like having terrible behavior from your developers?
And here I thought you were an avid supporter of the game.
As for quitting, I still have someone's CE. That is of VALUE.

Some poor soul bought it and in Great Justice, I has to spend it all :D For Great Justice of course.
Have a great day.

I don't do personal attacks since that has little to do with their actual work that they do. Customers are entitled though.

And Agreed.

So how's that weather.
HAHAHA

I am on a core i3 540 3.0 with 3GB RAM and my DL is 228Mbps and UL is 149Mbps.
Even before the update to help with the upstream flow I had very little lag if any, but before and after I still have the same monster reach issues and block issues, as with block; sometimes it just doesn't matter, there have been numerous occasions where the server hasn't accepted my block input so I get hit regardless if I have a full bubble up before the attack animation goes through.

Now I just block earlier, but it's still annoying when trying to get an extra hit and because the server has .1 second delay: I get rocked.

lolonlive

Will the train platform at Moorcroft ever be of relevance in the future?

@ Topic Title and Nick for saying lag doesn't cost money: Ever since the [sarcasm]most amazing patch ever[/sarcasm] happened, the lag has been noticeably worse. My screen freezes and I move like 10 in-game feet and die. And yes, if you die, from the lag, and revive using CE, it is consequently costing us money.

@ Java Comments: I stopped reading after Nick said the company was founded on Java.

I lag since my computer is a piece of garbage (Nothing too terrible, but it's noticeable), and I have no problems soloing everything, even Arenas and Danger Rooms.

Even with some lag: Technique = You just won the game. Kiting and ''quick-shielding'' do wonders.

Also, maybe -someday- they'll do something with that train station. I noticed there's a lot of places in Haven that look like they have the potential to have new area open up to them, and there's an area or two in the Arcade as well. It's like there's plans to add things already, and there's just temporary ''blockades'' there right now until they're actually released.

"Ok... ok, I went for that walk and now I'm a little calmer. Leviathan you're probably very right. This topic probably should be discussion about gameplay issues, and how they negatively effect the player. That they make money in the short term for buggy content, is not grounds for impeachment... Unraidable bosses in WoW meant extra weeks/months of attempting the boss, delaying content progression and making money for them. It's just the way that online games work, things aren't "finished" but it doesn't mean the dev's are trying to fleece you."

Yay!

In return, you are now obligated to eviscerate me in text the next time I write in something silly.

And I will, sooner or later. Probably sooner, knowing me.

Well the only thing I have to say to that is ^ Mac was never really designed from a gaming perspective, that is however changing, and it's farther along then Linux is haha.

Seriously though back in the concept days, if you wanted to crunch numbers or game, you got a pc. If you wanted flashy audio and video, you got a mac. If you wanted to considered a rebel and a hacker, you got Linux.

Yup well, that's about all I can say on that one.

Hahah Java isn't a great platform from a performance standpoint and developing standpoint but uh you just keep thinking that.

Actually there ruffian of the night, the lag is usually cause on your side and not the server's side.

In fact MOST IF NOT ALL LATENCY is cause by hardware/connection issues on the USER'S side.

If you are far away from the server it's coming from you are GOING to have lag, that's just the way it is.

These servers are base in the NA if I am not mistaken so those of you on the OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD, yah you are going to lag a whole heck of a lot until they get a server up in your location.

Clarification is a good thing and lmao @ Korean MMO.