Spiral Knights - This Will Most Likely Be My Final Recording

This Will Most Likely Be My Final Recording - Forge

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Tue, 10/01/2013 - 08:20

#51

The-Mighty-Potato

@Cradarc
"the heat gained per mission was not modified."

Quite frankly, I don't care if that's true or false, because I remember when I first got my Vog Cub Coat, it was thew only item I needed heating (this was before the forge), and in two firestorm runs, I got it up to Level 9. The only thing I need to heat right now is my Master Blaster, and if I do two runs then I will most likely just bump it up to nearly a full level.

"Can you clarify your position on this issue? It's kind of important if we are to discuss it constructively."
I don't mind farming crystals, but I do mind trying to gain heat. The only reason why I'm farming FSC right now is for heat, as it's the "quickest" way. I'm just not motivated to play the game anymore.

"Are you implying that those things are not possible while heating?"
Well, they are possible, but slow heating is boring me to death. That's why I haven't played the game in about 5 days. I go online, but then I just go offline straight after. I don't have any motivation or goals in the game. I don't really care for guilds, upgrading weapons is extremely tedious, sure, we getting more missions and all, but right now I'm getting tired of this game. I've been playing since day 1 of steam, so you can expect long-term players to get more bored than more recent vanguards.

"My original point is that the heating process IS the game."
I thought it was to party up, play arcade and enjoy the game.

@Ellthan-Cosmolion
No, I haven't seen that movie.

@Duskfinder
"Why not just make the forge available at the beginning of levels or at the end (when it shows the heat meter)"
Because then there's really no point in doing arcade then. You'd have everything you'd ever need in boss runs (except alchemy machines).

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 08:47

#52

Dust-Dragon

Beep.

You can't change one part of a system and expect the old bits to just "work". Heating and upgrading became more tedious to combat the free elevators, which essentially removed the limited playability per day of the game (heck, you've already identified this). If the old heating system was still in place, upgrading would be far more straight-forward, and you'd finish the game earlier, which is likely why it was changed.

Quite frankly, I don't care if that's true or false
That's a horrible statement. If the heating is exactly the same as the old system, you're complaining about that being too slow too. If so, the issue looks like the level-to-level bit. As in, the use of fire crystals, yet you repeatedly say that's not the issue. What is it then?

I've been playing since day 1 of steam, so you can expect long-term players to get more bored than more recent vanguards.
That's... kinda obvious..
If you've been playing longer and completed more in the game, you're bound to get bored of it earlier than someone that's only recently hit end-game.

All in all, you seem to be contradicting yourself. You want the game to give you more to do, but you don't want to take very long doing it.
Even in your last post, you say the slow heating is boring you to death, but then you go on to say the point of the game isn't heating.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 09:11

#53

Thunder-The-Bright

mighty, FSC never gave me that much heat in one shot. in 2 runs I was level 8. also remember the heat leech, you could do that before.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 09:44

#54

The-Mighty-Potato

Boop.

@Dust-Dragon
"You can't change one part of a system and expect the old bits to just "work"."
And that's why I said to make it so you require more crystals to level up. Crystals aren't the problem here, though. It would be if you got about 3 crystals per S5 run, but you don't, and it's not a problem.

"That's a horrible statement. If the heating is exactly the same as the old system, you're complaining about that being too slow too. If so, the issue looks like the level-to-level bit. As in, the use of fire crystals, yet you repeatedly say that's not the issue. What is it then?"

I meant I didn't care for what Cradarc said. Because I don't believe him. How come I could get my Vog Cub Coat to level 9 in two runs before the forge, and now I can barely get it up a single level? Believe me, I'm not making that up.

"All in all, you seem to be contradicting yourself. You want the game to give you more to do, but you don't want to take very long doing it.
Even in your last post, you say the slow heating is boring you to death, but then you go on to say the point of the game isn't heating."

I'd love for this game to have more content, but I don't understand why everyone is saying that I'm in a 'rush'. I don't want heat to be rushed, but I want it to actually be reasonable. I don't see why no one can understand that...

Also, I'm not contradicting myself. Yes the game isn't about heating weapons, but that's not my opinion. It is the purpose of the game, to party up and enjoy it, although you do have to heat items to get more and better items. And I find that part of the game boring because of how slow it is, yet I said that it's not all about heating. That's not contradicting myself. I would be contradicting myself by saying if I said: Vog Cub is so bad, and if I actually use it (which I do, but I don't think it's bad), then I would be contradicting myself.

I say that it's boring, even though it's not the main purpose of the game. I contradicted myself? I think not. I'm just put off playing because I'm getting bored.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 10:10

#55

Deleted-Knight

@Potato

So you are arguing the heating mechanics has changed because normally you could get to level 9 in two fsc runs while now you are only getting lvl 2. Well, your main problem is actually the crystals then. The crystals forging system is what prevents you from getting past level 2 regardless how many runs you do. So you are okay with farming crystals but not okay with the forge itself. Note that if you get rid of the forge, there would be no reason to farm crystals, but yeah I see your point now.

I still don't understand why not heating fast enough bores you.
"It is the purpose of the game, to party up and enjoy it"
Clearly the heat system does not stop you from partying up. So basically you're saying the heat system is making you not enjoy the game because you are not enjoying the game... Maybe it's time you find another game to play.

Someone could just as easily argue that not giving Agent Peacemaker the same power as a Warmaster Rocket Hammer is making them not enjoy the game. That doesn't mean it's OOO's problem. Since your argument is based solely on personal preference and not on some inherent design flaw, group consensus is the only thing you have to count on. Judging from the comments you've received on this issue, you may be alone on your opinion.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 10:35

#56

The-Mighty-Potato

@Cradarc

"The crystals forging system is what prevents you from getting past level 2 regardless how many runs you do"
Actually once I finish heating up and item one level I leave the FSC game. Then I forge it.

Now that I think about it, I'm thinking that I'm using the forge as the reason for why I'm getting bored. Although it's still pretty slow. ;)

I'm starting to think that It's time to quit...

...

Farewell.

I probably won't reply from now on, so no point in commenting.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 11:59

#57

Inferno-Forum

You got a better idea? FSC

You got a better idea? FSC usually has a ridiculous amount of heat, but ever since the new update you get literally barely anything.
Yes, and that's to keep you away from it.

(You said probably, so I'll post anyways ;))

Fri, 10/04/2013 - 17:51

#58

Xtweeterx

@TMP:

Now that I think about it, I'm thinking that I'm using the forge as the reason for why I'm getting bored. Although it's still pretty slow. ;)

I'm starting to think that It's time to quit... TOO BAD

Are you sure you've been running FSC and down-grading radiants? Or at least putting in max crystals for imminent forge success? Because that's what I do. When levelling a 4* thing, I grind shinings in a damae-appropriate S5 mission. When it reaches lvl 5, that's when FSC kicks in.

I still don't get why every says FSC gives little heat. I mean, in 1 floor, going back to forge, and repeating until lvl 5 you can just make them ready in 1 floor and going back to forge and do it again. And it takes 2 floors (Blackstone Bridge and Charred Court) per level until it's 10.

Maybe 3-4 if it's 5*. Haven't tried that yet.

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