Spiral Knights - Volcanic/Fire themed Troika line

Volcanic/Fire themed Troika line

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Fri, 09/27/2013 - 15:11

Parasthesia

As a Triglav/Sudaruska advocate, I would love to see a fire-themed version to this weapon.

Fire-status on a troika line weapon would be beneficial to the slow swing speed, as well as the interim between charge attacks that make the troika line unique, useful, and fun to use.

The volcanic theme is not outside of the current Russian/Mountain theme of the existing Troika lines. There are plenty of active/inactive volcanoes to pull names from. (Komarov, Golaya, Atlasova are a few choice selections)

Q/A

Would fire status be imbalanced on this weapon?
No, the more efficient choice in almost all situations is to use a weapon with GOOD damage vs your targets. Additional damage-over-time status fire would not hinder this system in any way, while also giving some additional damage boon to give the much-desired damage buff to the Troika line.

Troika line sucks, get a brandish if you want fire
While some options are better than others, this would be a fun addition when you're not in fast-grind mode.

But if OOO makes this, no one will use Triglav/Sudaruska anymore
Stun is still very useful, and Triglav is still very pretty. Plus, if you want to keep status-inducing on FSC slags, those would be your top choices. Zombies are prime charge-fodder for this weapon, and pretty much any other.

welcome to suggestions, more Q/A, etc.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 15:19

Thunder-The-Bright

problem is, damage over time + knockback=overpower. chargespam, and your enemies will die. do it well and you won't get hit. that's like brandish.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 15:35

Arkate

It will work like the brandish, only because it does way more damage, yet swings slower but has a wider swing arc it will be much more powerful. If you time any three-hit combo sword right, you can avoid taking damage. But two-swing swords do way more damage. Combine the damage over time of fire, plus knockback and good shield bumping, and you get something far too powerful. But obviously curse-inflicting sentenzas are more powerful.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 17:11

Whimsicality

I'm still waiting impatiently for the unused Shock Troika.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 17:16

Zeddy

I'd use it.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 18:09

Parasthesia

@arkate I personally like

@arkate

I personally like heavy swords for their range/knockback and safety, as well as damage potential to groups. The Troika line is slow though, and fire would only be inflicted on second hit. Full combos are risky, and not guaranteed to inflict status even half the time. The mixed damage sealed sword lines will keep their powerful place.

@Thunder-the-bright
Chargespam is that way for almost every sword except cutters/winmillions. Troika line charge is quite slow on the recovery without a decent speck of ASI, so you give up one or two armor/shield/trinket/pet perk slots for ASI to spam it safely. Balanced enough IMO, whereas a brandish charge is fast and effective no downsides, for example.

@Whimsicality

Combo a suda/Triglav with Electron Vortex and a little imagination ;)

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 20:18

Hexzyle

@Parasthesia

Troika line sucks, get a brandish if you want fire

Lol, a Troika with fire would likely out-DPS a Fireburst.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 20:34

Battlegrinder

Pretend I wrote something clever here

We already have a slow, fire themed weapon, the Fang of Vog. Adding a troika might be an superfluous change. Add there are also balance issues to consider. That said, this is s cool idea (pun unintended) and aI'd love to it and the shock troika come out in the upcoming expansion.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 21:50

Waffleconecake

I would rather see a cutter

I would rather see a cutter redo with fire or a new short range, high combo, average attack rate weapon.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 22:00

Parasthesia

@Hexzyle Clearly you've never

@Hexzyle
Clearly you've never spammed Combuster charges. Maybe against weak targets like wolvers or something. Which is how the damage system should work. Fire brandish spam still works pretty well, unfortunately.

@Battlegrinder
Fang of Vog is a 3-hit combo short range weapon, attack speed equivalent of attack speed decrease MAX versus a brandish combo. It can also inflict fire on every hit, whereas this would either a) require the second hit of the combo or b) charge attack. I love my Fang of Vog, but they have two separate niches.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 17:10

#10

Hexzyle

@Parasthesia

Clearly you've never spammed Troika charges? It out-DPS Combuster on regular targets, and even gives it a good run for its money on effective targets (especially with a total CTR of High or better) Adding fire would mean that during that pause between hits the enemies are getting a good dose of fire ticks.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 04:37

#11

Inferno-Forum

BENDROWNED

How about we release the Gram as a box item instead.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 07:33

#12

Popoixd

@Inferno: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/90268#comment-799725 Its would make it EXTREMELY expansive and only some rare player would have it. And to much palyer want the third troikas.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 08:23

#13

Inferno-Forum

BENDROWNED

"well excuse me, pri--", but I still want mah gram. It's a must-have-or-try-to for every self-respecting player. I'd throw all my money at it.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 09:07

#14

Battlegrinder

@Inferno-Forum

No. Exclusive reskin and costume items are one thing, but having unique and stated gear come from a box? That's pure pay-to-win, and has no place in Spiral Knights.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 09:24

#15

Parasthesia

@Hexyle That's the whole

@Hexyle
That's the whole point, I think it would complement that sort of play style and benefit the pauses between direct damage you have to have with a slow/charging weapon. Maybe I shouldn't have started comparing this theoretical troika line with Combuster.
The max (higher) damage from brandish line comes from enemies riding the wave of explosions. Troika line delivers it's charge payload in two booms, making it better for certain situations that I'm sure you're familiar with. The charge for brandish is much easier, safer, and quicker to place which is why it's so powerful, while with troikas, you have to be a bit more careful, as well as see through a very long uncancelable animation.

Maybe we should compare it to the Divine Avenger instead, with it's massive first hit and slight requirement for sitiuational awareness to fire off the charge.

@others
What the heck is a Gram and what is it short for?

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 09:33

#16

Arkate

It's the Third Troika. A GM only shock Troika.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 09:46

#17

Zeddy

Gram isn't short for anything.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 09:52

#18

Arkate

That's why in Magicka, Gram one hits Fafnir.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 10:37

#19

Hexzyle

@Parasthesia

Correct. I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was just making a statement. I think fire would fit very well on a Troika, lorewise: it's a mountain themed sword and a fire Troika would be volcanic, balancewise: the fire would be great for dealing damage between charge attacks.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 07:07

#20

Inferno-Forum

BENDROWNED

@Battlegrinder lol.. I guess you never noticed the countless prize box promos we had. ...There's the Bitter End and the cleavers. Also, I never said anything about costumes.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 07:07

#21

Khamsin

"@Battlegrinder lol.. I guess you never noticed the countless prize box promos we had... Also, there's the Bitter End and the cleavers."

Cleavers and bitter ends are reskins of existing items wit no stat changes. You only made his point.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 17:23

#22

Sirius-Voltbreaker

Make it inflict fire on a single hit. Also make that fire very strong.
This will give all those Grand Faust users something to reckon with.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 17:52

#23

Khamsin

@Sirius

Except that unlike damage, which functions differently in PvP than PvE, status effects actually do get gimped out by status-resist. A good fire weapon would just push people to wearing vog rather than skolver, lol.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 03:30

#24

Modicu

The Troika line is definitely a reliable weapon set, boasting raw power with the chance of inflicting some limited status conditions. As for the other posts regarding the weapon's capabilities, slow swords in general are likely favored for more damage per swing, rather than with 3 swings for optimal output. The lethal charge attacks of the Troika-based weapons can be devastating, if timed correctly, but they can also doom you, as there is a considerable pause from when you pull back on the sword, and then smash it into the ground. I'm sure this is one of the reasons why I rarely see people using a Troika-lined weapon in the game, as it might be quite deadly, but also quite risky in other situations. I still have my Troika lying around, and I really want it to become a Grintovec, as I would like to have a icy felling blade, just the cost it is for being a PVP recipe available will Krogmo Coins only is what ruins it for me, and makes me think it's not even worth trying to get. (Because Lockdown is just ridiculous in general, but I do play Blast Network here and there, though I do suicide a lot on that game.)

It would make since, though, to keep the "fair chance of causing strong fire", as a strong fire status will cause a similar amount of damage to that of when an enemy smashed with the Triglav takes massive damage when the ice breaks. Greatswords are meant to be deadly in all forms, possessing insane range and damage, versus other small swords. The weapon itself would definitely be a useful choice against the Ice Queen, for instance. Nothing says crowning yourself the new ruler of a kingdom better than burning the current ruler's palace to the ground.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:28

#25

Parasthesia

Ice Queen destruction

Also I would really like this to be in the game before I do a shadow lair ;)

Ice Queen destruction all the way.

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