Forums › English Language Forums › General › Suggestions

Search

Various suggestions. (noted while diving)

4 replies [Last post]
Wed, 10/16/2013 - 16:46
Tsubasa-No-Me's picture
Tsubasa-No-Me

As stated.

-Assess whether Java is still the best option for the game, and if you can afford to change. (if you've not already)

-When you attack then press the Shield button during the animation, it cuts off a bit of the tail end of the animation. A side effect is that if you use an attack during the time where you would activate the next attack animation, you instead "reset" the animation, and use the first one. With a 3-hit combo weapon it allows attack orders like: 1,1,1 and 1,1,3. Also to note with this suggestion is that if you hold down the attack button as if to charge an attack it does the same thing. Rather, it cuts off the animation at the end and allows you to move while charging. It does not, however force attack animation 1 to be used, so if you attack again within the required time it will continue the combo. This allows some mobility while continuing the combo.

That was a bit of set up for the suggestion, which is: It would add a level of depth and choice, while being simple to the player, if you were to make different "paths" for the combo attacks. That is to say, If you shield-cancel the attack, your next attack will be a less damaging, but more defensive attack. Example: a swipe that causes you to step back with a Rapier, a parry with a Brandish (takes reduced damage and counters damage for the duration of the animation), or maybe bashing with the pommel of a Sudaruska for insane knockback in a small area.

The other combo line would require Attack-Canceling (holding the attack button as if to charge) and would deal more damage Per-Hit and have some other beneficial effect; generally movement based. Example: A Rapier's movement hit does no knockback, but allows you to ignore collision boxes of foes, essentially allowing you to strike through them. A brandish would leave a small energy mine behind it, leaving some nice explosives for the 'splosion sword. A Sudaruska would have a very wide, very far, high knockback spin that has a decent dash for positioning.

Those were examples of the middle hit of a combo. (except for the Suda) You could finish the combo as any of the three options, but that would require committing to that particular Blow.

So if a 3-hit combo sword is 1,2,3/1,d,D/1,m,M
And a 2 hit is 1,2/1,D/1,M
This system would allow all sorts of timing based combos, allowing them to be versatile in multiple situations.

1,d,M
1,2,D
ect

This would also give the striker line a very imposing versatility, as you could combo 1,m,m,d,M and so forth.

-While having several different damage versions of a weapon is neat, I would urge you to take ones that are not meant to be the "same" per-say, and give then different mechanics or perhaps hitboxes. The Rapiers are a fine example: all piercing, differing status ailments. And the Magnus line is also well deserved: Piercing or Impact. While I feel that the Sudaruska and Volcanic Pepperbox really kinda don't fit in too much as just a "normal version" of a typed weapon. Differentiating these and other weapons would provide easy ways to have more versatility within the gear system.

-(note, I have about 50 ping when playing)The visibility of the hitboxes is very, VERY bad. It may look like I hit something, because My sword went through it, but because of the hitbox, it did not register as a hit. This is VERY bad for weapons that rely on the knockback to keep you safe, or the damage to kill it fast enough that you don't get hurt.

Wed, 10/16/2013 - 22:08
#1
Autofire's picture
Autofire
You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

Yay it's Tsubasa-No-Me! :D

No, Java can't be changed for fundamental reasons. That'd mean redoing 75% of the game.

That would be interesting...I wanna see it in game.

I like it...extra options, no? What about in Lockdown? Would just Guardians get this?

I don't believe I follow...Attack Canceling? So...erm...

I agree. Differentiating weapons would be great. Statuses only really make a difference if the status can be inflicted often. There is, however, what you speak of in game already. The DVS poisons, but the WHB has better knockback and different hitboxes. (Along with the beast bonus) If more changes like this one were in the game, that would greatly help in diversifying the gear.

I've never experienced this problem except when using 3 hit swords. This is because the last hit in the combo gets in hitbox created where you were standing at the time of starting the 3rd slash, not where you will finish it. Because of this, enemies have to be closer to you when you start the attack. I may be misunderstanding you, but I don't get problems such as this...

Oh wait, guns have that problem. If you have a Gremlin or a Wolver dodging your bullet, and the bullet visibly hits (and stops) in the enemy's position, if they dodge right before it hits they can get away from it. It's really annoying when using Drakon's Firebolt, just to have that Mender jump backwards and not get hit.

Wed, 10/16/2013 - 22:25
#2
Draycos's picture
Draycos

-diving

-It isn't (model-loading freezes), but it wouldn't exactly be easy to ditch, I'm assuming.

-Swords would barely be viable without shield-cancelling, and only certain swords, but I love the concept of a "dodge attack" replacing it. Switch-shooting... i don't know why, but I hate the heck out of it and want it dead and buried. Mainly because it's a pain in the butt to do and screws with gun-to-gun balance.

-I think this problem reaches as far as specialized damage in general. It could get some tweaks in multiple ways, like making Normal do better than specialized damage on neutral targets, redesigning how damage is calculated, etc.

-See also: most swords' last hits, guns appearing to land a shot but the bullet actually continues forward, perhaps hitting something behind, mist bombs' raw damage, so on and so forth.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 00:11
#3
Zeddy's picture
Zeddy

We've all missed you, Suda. Welcome back!

Spiral Knights is never going to see a port away from Java. The updates we get are 95% graphical/content/reskins done by artists and 5% half-baked programming that never gets fixed, so I assume the engineer(s? Are there multiple?) at Three Rings are largely occupied with other projects within the company. Rewriting a game entirely for a new language while retaining everything related to user-accounts, contents and such is a massive undertaking. Consider that the game, like most games, took years to create in the first place.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 05:53
#4
Tsubasa-No-Me's picture
Tsubasa-No-Me
To clarify

to Draycos,
I'm not say to take out shield-canceling, I'm saying, take something that was unintended, and modify it into a whole feature. Switch shooting is an exploit that I have not thought about (because I am a Hybrid Suda/Slug) and my suggestion affects it to the amount of 0% change. I will, however consider this, though I will wait until the Gun updates are released and tested to suggest anything further on the topic of guns.

I also suggest re-reading the paragraph about weapon diversity. It was intended to cause the weapon categories themselves to be more diverse.
Read "Heavy swords" "Needle Guns"

I do not apply Bombs to that paragraph because they do not have many lines that fit in the same box as the other two archgroups. They just need moar 'splosions.

And finally (in regards to your reply) You really have pinned the nail on the head with that area; Hitbox visibility and bugginess is bad for EVERYONE.

to Auto-Fire,
From what I see, and my experience, it does not only happen as such at the start of the third attack, the hitbox is ALWAYS spawned before movement ect.

Also, the striker hitboxes are not different, they just FEEL different. The major difference is that the DVS poisons, and the WHB has INTERRUPTION. Meaning you can stop their attack animations. I have videos I posted a while ago that show such. But you are completely correct about many more lines needing to take after the Striker line in the fashion mentioned.

to Zeddy,
Yeah, I know. :C But I figure that if I suggest stuff now, then they might get to it in a year's time. Like with the GUN FIXES!

Powered by Drupal, an open source content management system