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Sat, 05/21/2011 - 22:47
Gigafreak
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Okay, so it's been tested and confirmed that weapons with a UV damage bonus against slimes does increased damage to the Royal Jelly (Jelly King, whatever you want to call him).

So: We think Vanaduke's a Fiend, what with the slight Piercing weakness. Do UV damage bonuses vs. Fiends hurt him more?

The Tier 1 Boss they're working on is going to be a Beast. Maybe UVs versus Beasts will become a lot more popular once that's released.

Sat, 05/21/2011 - 23:30
#1
Tsuki
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Vanaduke is not a fiend. He

Vanaduke is not a fiend. He has no weaknesses. Piercing weapons will appear to do bonus damage [Yellow/Orange numbers and stars on damage] due to a glitch. Same things happens with Gremlin Menders when attacking them with piercing damage [it appears as grey, implying they resist it. However it does as much damage to other gremlins]

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 00:22
#2
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Tive
Gremlin Healers slightly

Gremlin Healers slightly resist to everything but normal (not sure about shadow). They also take more damage than other monsters from normal.

As for vanaduke, I havn't tested a fiend UV weapon on him and have not come across any post testing it so lets wait and see.

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 03:16
#3
Dasparian
It's a bit expensive to test

It's a bit expensive to test UVs on Vanaduke, since you need a non-UV version of the weapon you're using for a proper test. Which would mean I have to craft a whole new Glacius with no UV to compare against my current Very High: Fiends. I suppose I could use some garbage Brandish UVs to test, but that'd be trolling my whole Vanaduke run.

Anyone care to take the plunge? For Science?

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 03:23
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Dottor-Troione
From Wiki: "Vanaduke does not

From Wiki: "Vanaduke does not appear to belong to any monster family. "

don't understand where the fiend thing comes from. In case, one could have thought he's undead, cause it's listed under Undeads in the wiki and his stratum is sometimes Undead-themed.

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 03:28
#5
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Tive
I could post regular

I could post regular combuster numbers if I ever get to run it again. but I pretty much settled my business ingame till they release new stages.

Anyway, just post your numbers and someone else with a combuster/glacius could jump in to post their numbers (just keep in mind that wolver-skolver sets adds sword damage, so tell us about it)

edit: the fiend thing comes from him fitting the broader definition of "fiend", taking yellow damage from some weapons (I think my uv med flourish did yellow numbers too), and the wiki being unreliable for such questions. (remeber that dark/piercing gun having a text say it does extra damage to slime and something else?)

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 08:22
#6
Gigafreak
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The Royal Jelly is very

The Royal Jelly is very slightly weak against Shadow and NOT resistant to Piercing. The little mini jellies in his palace are the same way.

If Vanaduke is a Fiend boss, by this pattern he'd be very slightly weak against Piercing and not resistant to Shadow.

I suppose he could also potentially be a Beast but I don't think that's likely, given that the next boss under development is supposedly a Beast already.

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 08:30
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Dottor-Troione
[Dasparian Said] "It's a bit

[Dasparian Said] "It's a bit expensive to test UVs on Vanaduke, since you need a non-UV version of the weapon you're using for a proper test. Which would mean I have to craft a whole new Glacius with no UV to compare against my current Very High: Fiends. I suppose I could use some garbage Brandish UVs to test, but that'd be trolling my whole Vanaduke run.

Anyone care to take the plunge? For Science?"

I think tests could be also done using Valkirie gear (or Divine), which give bonuses vs Fiend. Though it would require two different runs (or two players with same weapon: one with Valkirie, one without)

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 08:39
#8
Gigafreak
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That'll be difficult, given

That'll be difficult, given the weakness to Fire... At least it'll be a little easier to actually set up.

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 08:46
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Dottor-Troione
Well it could be also be done

Well it could be also be done with Fallen set... where weakness to fire turns into resistance, but then you should hope Vanaduke is NOT considered a Fiend... :)

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 08:52
#10
kakelgis
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oh boy here we go again

The Royal Jelly is very slightly weak against Shadow and NOT resistant to Piercing. The little mini jellies in his palace are the same way.

If Vanaduke is a Fiend boss, by this pattern he'd be very slightly weak against Piercing and not resistant to Shadow.

I suppose he could also potentially be a Beast but I don't think that's likely, given that the next boss under development is supposedly a Beast already.

Well then, first of all:

Royal Jelly IS NOT weak to shadow. It's neutral to shadow and elemental. It has a slight resistance to piercing. I have tested this many times before.
He is indeed a slime, however, so yes, Slime damage bonus UVs/gear will cause additional damage to him.

Vanaduke's body is resistant to shadow, elemental and normal, (yes, even normal) and slightly weak to piercing. On stage 5, it seems he gains extra resistance to shadow.

His mask however, is always resistant to everything but normal.

As for Vanaduke's monster family? I can confirm you he's not:
-a fiend (used Leviathan Blade with high VS fiend, same damage as Magnus with a plain Leviathan)
-an undead (Leviathan deals more than CIV)
-a beast (I believe a friend with a Wild Hunting Blade confirmed this, however in the preview I had one and tested myself. Nothing seems to have changed since then, regarding his monster family/resistances)

As for other families, I haven't got to test it. It's much more likely that Vanaduke simply has no family at all, than for some weird reason he's a construct or something.

Piercing weapons will appear to do bonus damage [Yellow/Orange numbers and stars on damage] due to a glitch. Same things happens with Gremlin Menders when attacking them with piercing damage [it appears as grey, implying they resist it. However it does as much damage to other gremlins]

This is wrong aswell. He is actually slightly weak to piercing. But the difference is really minimal - Blitz Needle would deal 66 damage to him, while other zombies around would take 62. (I also believe Vanaduke is considered a Tier 4 monster so he just takes less damage than normal on the other elements, so it seems he's resistant to normal, when he isn't - in that case, the piercing weakness would be a bit stronger than we imagine. The elemental and shadow resistances are still significant enough, however)

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