Theory 1: The Apocrea created the clockworks. Reasoning: "dream dark machines into being"
Theory 2: The Apocrea vent their evil through the swarm. Reasoning: "steal sanctuary in the cracks and corners"
Theory 3: The Apocrea rule Cradle. Reasoning: something about their realm
Lore Time!
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 13:59
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 14:32
#2
Hm..
While i do like it, I take issue with Theory 1 because of the content of Echo Stones from the Sanctuary. One of them specifically references the creator/designer of the Clockworks.
good stuff though.
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 15:01
#3
A gap in levels
The way it grabs you at the first button and makes the party fall may suggest that you didn't fall onto a normal level, but a sort of gab inbetween them. The way it looks though, who knows where you are, another dimension? I don't think we're on Cradle anymore...
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 15:35
#4
Well it IS on cradle.
You actually go into the core.
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 15:58
#5
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It has a superficial relation to the Swarm, but after further consideration, it seems like a separate thing. I'm thinking more likely the apocrea may be origin of specific types of zombie creatures, like how the Kataclysm explained the origin of the Kats.
Swarm doesn't seem interest in souls or living death. They are an infection that consumes living or dead.
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:32
#6
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:36
#7
All I know is that there is copy of "The Collected Works of H.P. Lovecraft" somewhere in OOO's offices.
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:37
#8
@klipik
I don't think so. Fiends come from another dimension. They just don't mind the undead for whatever reason.
Apocrea doesn't seem extra-dimensional to me.
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:35
#9
Apocra look a hell of a lot
Apocra look a hell of a lot like Strangers to me
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:16
#10
Seconding the Apocrea - Stranger similarities
Gosh, I can already see the creepypastas about some corrupt Strangers being outcasted and now collecting the souls of travelers to celebrate their own version of the "Dark Harvest".
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:28
#11
Elevator at the end by brings
Elevator at the end by brings us to D30. The deepest we could go before is D29. In the end of that mission, are we in the core?
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 20:10
#12
Yes. we are in the core.
Meaning that these guys might be some source of the swarm. And since we didn't see the elite sqad they are deeper.
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 20:16
#13
sigh
Guys, go to D29 core lobby. Then look down. Do you think you can fit a depth in between? The answer is yes.
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 20:27
#14
The Apocrea are just
The Apocrea are just themselves as described, they go beyond what we know of the universe. I noticed they mentioned their hunger to fill their void, sounds a bit familiar "As I dreamed, it consumed.
It devoured the knowledge of time... Memories of the dead... The hearts of kings and the souls of their people... Good and evil... It consumed.
It grew stronger, endlessly mirroring itself within the space of my dream. Endlessly mirroring... Expanding... Infinite.
What it was before, it is no more. Neither beast nor god, it is a creation unlike all.
It is... The Swarm."
Take note of the "creation", maybe the swarm was King Tikinzar's twisted attempt at replicating the Apocrea gone wrong, gremlins have replicated lots of creatures in cradle as robots before. The swarm is unnatural and hungers erratically, it consumes and corrupts, its like a glitch and the design even reflects that, unlike the Apocrea's more organized and other worldly but still organic hunger for souls, designed more as the universes dark reapers, maybe godly. Its a stretch but seeing how the swarm is a creation, I think its possible it was based on the Apocrea.
EDIT: The Apocrea seeker dudes we see also remind me of the Strangers, so maybe they are the gremlin replicas. Built back when cradles development was still noble, without the intent to fight but to collect minerals and keep the clockworks running, though that leaves them nothing like the Apocrea.
Wed, 10/23/2013 - 20:36
#15
Funny thing: The lost soul on the 1 1/2 depth of the mission says something similar to Vana.
Thu, 10/24/2013 - 01:48
#16
Created to seek out energy...
Created to seek out energy... But instead of just crystals... It noticed the energy of the skylark, and all our combined souls once we got close to cradle... The swarm controls the apocrea, the swarm created them as its own means to seek energy... The harvesters go for much more than crystal.... The spirit energy of the living. They feed the swarm. The swarms second in command.
This also explains the swarm corruption. A few bad souls, and you have a festering ball of evil.
Thu, 10/24/2013 - 08:34
#17
These guys dont have anything to do with creation.
apo-
a prefix occurring originally in loanwords from Greek, where it was joined to verbs, deverbal forms, and other parts of speech. Among its functions in Greek, apo-, has the spatial sense “away, off, apart” ( apogee; apocope; apostasy; apostrophe ); it occurs with deverbals that denote a response or defense ( apodosis; apology ) and is found on verbs having perfective force relative to a corresponding simple verb ( apoplexy; aposiopesis ). In modern scientific coinages in English and other languages, apo-, marks things that are detached, separate, or derivative ( apocarpous; apoenzyme ).
Crea-
This ROOT-WORD is CREA which comes from the Latin creare which means to CREATE.
Apocrea can thus be taken to mean "apart from creation" "Not with creation" "far from creation" or any other abbreviation that denotes that these beings do not have anything to do with -a- creation.
That 'creation' they are apart from can be assumed to be cradle, since cradle is a construct.
It can also be taken to mean that they end the lives of whatever that they can get their hands on,but that meaning is less supported since souls tend to be trapped on whatever the plain of existence is that house the Apocrea.
Their named coupled with their obvious intelligence may suggest that they live in a pocket dimension, through which they can reach into cradle to suck the souls out of whatever happens to be grasped by them.
Thu, 10/24/2013 - 08:50
#18
@heavy-dragon
You could also take their name to refer to something a bit larger than cradle. I read apart from creation in the "thing that should not be/eldritch abomination/beings from beyond reality" sense, not the "they're not from cradle" sense. The pocket dimension bit seems plausible, but I suspect it's not really a full-fledged mini universe and more like an alternate version of cradle (still has regular clockwork levels, loot, our weapons still work, etc).
Thu, 10/24/2013 - 09:50
#19
Well...
Strangers ARE robots.... So that makes sense. Strangers hunger for money like the way Harvesters hunger for souls.
Thu, 10/24/2013 - 10:00
#20
When you're this swag this world just bows at your knees
It seems whatever fabric of space the Apocreans reside in could be quite similar to the Webway. It's a stable system that courses through the Immaterium. If the Apocrean were to design the film seperating the insides of the Webway from the Warp to be porous, they'd benefit from being able to create a physical area inside the Webway while being able to draw from the warp surrounding it: A plane of existence where both mortals and daemons can exist in a stable state. This allows them to lead physical entities into an area, from which they can toy with and draw out the lifeforce of.
The Shadow Lairs doesn't share this same separation, and appears to be an area that has been subjected to the full force of the Warp. Essentially, the alternate-dimension form of their physical counterparts. (The Immaterium is a dimension almost completely constructed up from the emotional and psychological properties of creatures with intelligence in the physical realm)
Thu, 10/24/2013 - 10:28
#21
@Hexzyle
Given how many ideas Games Workshop has borrowed (read: stolen) from others, I'm not surprised that there are some parallels. That said, this might be case of "40k peg, round hole". While the new event has bits in common with the webway (particularly the Dark Eldar bits of it), its not that similar. Again, our weapons and gear work just fine in the new areas, something that is not the case in the warp, IIRC.
Mon, 10/28/2013 - 15:35
#22
@Sirius-Voltbreaker
"Strangers ARE robots.... So that makes sense. Strangers hunger for money"
Do you mean... O_o That... FIEND!!!!
EDIT: Why is my hyperlink not working?
EDIT EDIT: Necro followed by hyperlink fix.
Thu, 10/24/2013 - 21:38
#23
BLARGH
In the new opening cutscene, the Sklylark is shot and destroyed by lasers. Pink lasers. From inside the planet. Apocrea laser is pink. And they are at depth 29. Now use deductive reasoning...~Z
Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:08
#24
Why is no one else talking
Why is no one else talking about anything related to the fact that the markings inside the Apocrean trap level on the floor appear to be drawn in the same arcane neon purple energy as the runes on the ground in fiend levels, plus the fact that those same markings are tied into one of the key puzzles in the Plateau levels? Extra dimensions... Pocket dimensions... Etherial soul harvesters... Devils/demons... Neon purple... Neon Purple... DOES NO ONE ELSE SEE IT?!?!?
On another note: why did I visit this thread at 1AM? I wanted to sleep tonight. And Hex's post also made my brain hurt.
P.S: @Agentz: The Swarm Eye is the same color, more or less. As is the Gran Faust and Sentaza bullets.
*Unsheathes Levi blade and points it over a cliff* TONIGHT, WE DINE IN THE CORE! (Look at the Apocrea gate map)