Now, I know im gonna get a lot of dislikes, but im really frustrated:
i HATE how they allow HammerSpammers (ppl who use rocket hammers constantly) in PvP. its extremely unfair. i DON'T have expansion, but its not my fault! im not allowed to spend real money in-game things. this is probably true for many others too! its not their fault that they can't get expansion wihtout paying 3200ce. my point is, Rocket Hammers and Dark Respiral(MKII)/Retributions (and other expansion weapons that will come in the future) SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN NORMAL PVP!!!
OOO should make a special PVP room where only players WITHOUT equipped expansion weapons or have them in LoadOuts should be allowed. ppl with expansions should be only allowed to join "All Knights" room in a certain tier to avoid have expansion weapons in the non-expansion rooms.
i get constantly killed by hammer spammers in PvP, and i am getting pis*ed off by the fact that they allow expansion weapons in normal PvP.
Expansion Weapons NOT allowed in PvP
Welcome to MMOs, where you're expected to buy expansions if you want to compete in PvP.
During hammer's dash attack, the user:
- Can't turn
- Has no invincibility frames
This means that things like max-speed swings, double ricochet with alchemers (say hi to higher freeze, shock chance, extra damage per bullet) and OHKO blitz charge can/have been done vs hammer. (Strongly recommend against doing the blitz charge counter though, it's only for lulz).
Lower-level hammer users use the dash to move towards you, which makes it easy to predict/counter (just dash away), while higher level ones do more mixups with it and only really rely on the main swings for damage.
Once you get around the fact of the dash and its vulnerability, it's really just a heavy sword and dashing movement.
Also, I still haven't spent money on SK (;_; I've been meaning to do so since getting a job, but said job also means I have less time to play) and have been shocking hammers and everything else to death for months ~_~; You can still be a viable player without unique gear.
It's the only heavy sword that does pure elemental damage and has a dash to compensate for vulnerability after the first swing . Maybe it doesn't matter much in T3 where everyone dies in a few hits, but it makes a world of difference in the lower tiers.
If you look at damage statistics in T1 and T2, hammer users consistently get more damage when they use hammer than when they don't. There must be a reason for that. Do they suddenly become more skilled when they are holding a hammer? I doubt it.
@OP
Life's not fair. Everyone has to learn it the hard way. You must join the elitists or suck it up and lose more often.
In PvP, pure damage is inferior to split-type since defense values are generally lower than monsters.
oh yeah, I tend to forget t1 and t2 pvp are a thing because I have too many loadouts to turn off -_-; I also hear guns are fairly terrible there due to the lack of damage bonus gear. I won't direct my comments to those tiers, sorry.
Like with most things though, certain choices make it easier to mow things down at low-level gameplay but can be less effective at higher-level gameplay. I for one end up using alchemers when my team really needs my help but vs teams of lower-level players can do more damage more effectively by using GF/DA, just because they kill faster/deal more damage for much less effort.
Don't most high damage players in Lockdown end up using a brandish or toothpick line weapon? Their quick speed leads to better maneuverability for when it matters even if hammer is more efficient on a per-hit level vs people who don't matter.
I've seen people on a losing streak against higher level players go on and say things like "ok that's it, now I'm gonna hammer spam" and end up doing worse lol.
Quit whining about things you dont know.
Hammers are harder to control tyan you think. And they are fairly easy to counter, with a little thought.
First of all the weapon does more than a GF meaning you can 2-Hit everyone, and the new sentenza deoes almost as much as a shadow alchemer shot 4* and poisons. Like a better biohazard. Hammers are only good in pvp and are terrible in pve.. Stop complaining.
First of all the weapon does more than a GF
No it doesn't.
In fact, if you attack someone wearing full Dread Skelly, Gran Faust (and Acheron) will still inflict more damage than Rocket Hammer.
Typo. I meant to sayit is the same as the gf.
And by all I meant the new acheron.
Note the "maybe it doesn't matter as much in T3 where everyone dies in a few hits, but it makes a world of difference in lower tiers".
In T2, the only thing comparable to a rocket hammer is Sealed Sword, which does pure normal damage and does not have the useful dash.
Unfortunately it isn't your decision to make Voltorian, its OOO's. For now you may have to live with these hammer spammers. BTW I am one too xD.
I don't own the expansion. The hammer is pretty easy to fight honestly, the exception being when it's multiple people vs you or when they have camer advantage (which is pretty much the same with any other slowish sword). Just be patient and practice, you'll overcome it.
@Rezzler
Hammer is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY easy to use. I don't have to think, it just flows like music.
@All
People have their self-preservation, alot of poeple who would master the hammer avoid it because they don't want to be hated.
@OP
Quit whining, I'd understand if this was before you could buy OCH with in game currency. But that's not the case. If you think hammers are OP, farm for one!
Hammer users are fairly easy to kill.
You have 2 types:
-The ones that finish the combo by doing the spin at the end of the dash
-The ones that simply don't
first type is the easiest since you can predict where their combo will end. Just go there and kill them.
second type is a bit different, but since they also use their dash, just sidestep and intercept them mid-dash
DONE
Please move this to the DUMP (Grave yard) !!!
Also if you have a bomb, there's nothing hammer users can do to you except use something other than the hammer.
@Zeddy
Isn't that true for every sword except Brandish charging?
No, it's also true for Brandish.
I agree that dark retris shouldn't be used. They charge really quickly and can be very annoying making them a spam-able annoying weapon like the Polaris..... However the Hammer should be used as I find it very useful. As a recon, with the dash, I can stay away from strikers as long as I like and yet deal a lot of damage to them without taking some. I'd suggest one way is to somewhat know their tactics and as Zeddy said, get a bomb to shock,burn,stun or freeze them.
*tosses Mengh in tartarus*
Don't hate on my DR. You can't compare its annoyance level to polaris since polaris has range, shock, and a large number of players who own it.
Dark Retribution is only an annoyance for full sword users. Get a god damn gun if you hate bombers who use it. Plus, fast charge time is a poor excuse considering recons with chaos or mad bomber have max ctr. Huh? How do you comment on that? Want to remove bombers from the game altogether?
/end rage
hey, i don't have all 5* equipment yet. maybe i'll stop getting as frustrated when i get 5* HoH, but in the meantime, i still think its unfair to those without expansion and are not 5*. i usually don't have a lot of time to play, so i can't get 3200ce that easily. easy for @Zeddy to say that 3200ce is easy. guessing that you played when it was "old days" you are probably Vanguard now. Well guess what, latter missions have more crs, and im not that high yet, so i can't get em quickly. consider what level other players are on and think about how much money they get compared to you. Vanaduke can give roughly 7k crs, about the same amount to get 100ce. well for you vanguards, you can do vana anytime you want. i have to join others, and that means less money, which means, less ce, which means a longer time to get expansion. CONSIDER THE RESOURCES OF OTHER PLAYERS
@Terra-Necro ok fine. maybe not as much as DR but its still Ñ◘#╙√B╚╬╚»↕○ annoying. i don't use recons either. and WHEN DID I SAY TO TAKE OUT BOMBS ALTOGETHER. check your eyes, because you read wrong
plus, none of you seemed to read what i said about OOO making a different PvP meant for people who don't want expansion in the room. im saying make TWO Lockdown PvP types. one that anyone can join, and another where players who don't have expansion weapons in ANY loadouts can join. READ IT CAREFULLY YOU IDIOTS
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Ph, you're only a 4*? Just another noob rambling....move along guys...
On another note, LD based on each star level? No? Ok
v Holy triple post!
Throw your tantrum :P You didn't reach 5 star so wut ? Only Vanguards dare to play T3 LD....if you ain't a vanguard ? Go back to the junior leagues.....
P.S. This will be the last post for this thread...Let him bump all he wants...Just leave this thread to rot...Voltorian is just another complainer with 4 star gear and he just tired if losing...And it's that even hard to kill someone with a hammer ? (Except with Asi med or above)
Throw your tantrum, kid :P You didn't reach 5 star so wut ? Only Vanguards dare to play T3 LD....if you ain't a vanguard ? Go back to the junior leagues.....
P.S. This will be the last post for this thread...Let him bump all he wants...Just leave this thread to rot...Voltorian is just another complainer with 4 star gear and he just tired if losing...And it's that even hard to kill someone with a hammer ? (Except with Asi med or above)
Die Thread !! Die !!
I'm willing to bet you haven't played T2, or you'd hardly call it the "Junior Leagues". It's a different metagame, but it still requires a level of thought beyond what you're insinuating.
Also, read it somewhere before I hit "post reply" but can't be arsed to go find who said it - a good hammer's biggest worry is alchemers, not bombs. A better hammer's biggest concern is itself, since if two hammers dash at the same time, someone's getting OHKO'd.
^ True, T2 does have its fair share of tryhards. But T3 is more dmg, less hits to kill.
Well um Hellscreams is part of Brick Squad which is the biggest active T2 guild currently.... so I dunno.
IMO a hammer's biggest worry is a skilled toothpick striker because in the end hammer is a heavy sword and it can be interrupted.
Hammer is only OP because guardians are helpless against it unless they have their own hammer.
I only use hammer for killing under geared, careless strikers, or other hammerers. If there's a skilled striker with a toothpick then I go all toothpick because I'm going to get flinched to death if I don't. (Note : only speaking about T2)
I feel like removing damage on the dash might balance things out?
so what if i'm a 4*? that means i haven't had a chance to get to 5* yet. you're still not considering others. and if you think i'm complaining too much, u could at least tell me kindly and not be a hater. i've had enough haters as it is. }~☼#σC╒
You're a hater of expansion weapons lol....You started it :P
To be honest, there are a lot of weapons better than a rocket hammer. (Just mentioning, rocket hammers will need variants on them, but will cost somewhat a lot to get the right one.)
People use alchemers switching.... which is just OP in my case... My hammer finds it hard to even go up to the gunner....
Brandish line weapons with CTR could easily kill someone in a matter of second... I deal about 1k damage with a heated level 8 Glacius charge in FSC and could deal DoT or freeze them in this case.
Dark Rebution spam Isnt horrible then Polaris
Polaris can you spam in 1 small way and you win and you can controll it the dark rebution makes Like a little Shadow Dmg barrier if you arent in the middle f dark rebu (not the spammer ) you will survive
sorry for your misunderstanding, but i am NOT against expansion weapons. again, you misread. im saying that im against expansion weapons IN PvP. to counter one of your earlier points, im not going back to the lower tier LD's (at least until i hit Vanguard). T1 is too boring. i WOULD go back to t2 until i hit vanguard, but then it would take even LONGER to get vanguard because i will need to craft 3* equipment all over again because my previous 3* have been upgraded.££jéAo^•$║8A{£Æb8§E↨4a∟A‼
i dont use my hammer, its a bit too OP
hammer is only OP in T2
The only thing I got to add.
Dark Retribution is OP? OMG Imma use it tmr in LD!
This is why there should be weapon restrictions in lockdown.
"Dark Retribution is OP" is the funniest thing I've heard all day. If any bomb is even remotely OP, it's good ol' Nitro. Blasts away those Strikers like a boss. I never really manage much with Dark Ret... maybe I'm not using it right? As for the Hammer, if that bro with the Hammer doesn't have a gun, Nitro will still hold him off the same way it always does.
There are UV'd pieces of gear (like those infernal Shock Max sets) that cost dramatically more than the expansion weapons and are even bigger game breakers. Hammers aren't nearly as bad, at least in T3.
(Can't say anything about T1 or T2, though...)
If this were such a big problem, don't you think they would've banned 'em by now? Same goes for Polaris and Gran Faust and AA.
'Nuff said.
All you really need is a gun.... so you can counter it.
Hammer spammers aren't the biggest issue in LD.
u might as well just graveyard this thread
heres to prove nitro is the best bomb and is more of an op bomb than dark retribution just watch it destroy me in this fight o.0]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ-LtJaTNQI Skip until it reaches 2mins that's when nitro came into play o.0 still to this day im amazed i survived
Guanchi was OP....
Consider this:
OOO made the expansion so it would be a source of income for them, and later made it possible to obtain through kozma's market. Why should OOO ban the weapons in LD that they implemented into the game by their own choice? As you can clearly see, the majority of the gaming community does not support your suggestion.
End the thread now please.
Yes, graveyard this thread and stop this argument that , to be honest , will not go anywhere because OOO has obviously intended to keep the WRH and Dark retri the same even after a year of the release of the expansion.
So you're whining about Rocket Hammer and Dark Retribution? Eh, there many other OP weapons in PvP than those two.
First: Dark Retribution is outshined by amy of those Shock or Freeze area effect bombs.
Second: 3,200 CE is really low amount if money as Vanguard.
Anyways, how about Pulsar? It's okay in PvP in you opinion? Or the Gran Faust? Or Voltaic Tempest?
Do I really need to go on..?
^
@Icycarrot Mengh agrees!
skill > hammer
There are a lot of more OP weapons than hammer:
Post-update Acheron
Polaris
Fire Polaris
Freeze Polaris
Callahan to some extent
DBB
Skolver
Snarby
BKC
Take your pick.
3200 CE is nothing. Why you whippersnappers, back in the old day we had to pay that just to make a 5* armour set.
/me waves cane