Spiral Knights - Being a 5* bomber sucks.

Being a 5* bomber sucks.

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Sun, 10/27/2013 - 10:52

Toeni-Sevan

I've been playing for a while, but I like to keep the game interesting by continuing to craft new weapons, mostly bombs.
Recently the Radiant Crystals have been scarce due to unconfirmed reasons. Without being able to level up my bombs at 5*, I can no longer gain the natural upgrade of CTR that all weapons get at level 5 and 10 respectively. This hurts bombers the most, since CTR affects our only method of attack. I understand everyone's suffering from this, but I just can't bomb anymore because of my inability to level.

-I swear that it's cheaper to roll for CTR than buy crystals from the Supply Depot.
-If you want a mist bomb, keep it at 4*, because it does the same status anyway.
-For most 4* bombs in general, the upgrade in power when you get a bomb to 5* isn't worth it since your CTR resets.

Swords and bombs can still use their primary attack, even if they are at level 1, and they're much better than bombs are at level 1. A level 10 bomb is probably the only iteration of a bomb that can be considered of equal effectiveness compared to a sword or a gun. Having the Pet Perk "Bomb Focus II" helps, but compared to swords and guns with their perks, bombs still can't keep up.

I don't know what's coming up, what reasons you have for altering the crystal drop depths, or what bug is causing this, but all this time it's been in effect it really does suck to be a bomber. I can't even remember the last time a bomber got a patch or update that solely helped them. Gunner update in November, and swords are just great in general (Archeron, why did you get buffed?). Why does the bomber, who gets knocked down as a side effect of this crystal dilemma, get nothing? (Except the Battle Sprite update that gave us Bomb Focus, but all weapon classes have a perk, so it's not a patch dedicated to them.)

I know it's not just about bombs, and everyone is suffering from this. I dunno. I just feel like bombers got the worst of it.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 11:08

Thinslayer

Dang

It seems fashionable nowadays to bash OOO, but I think you have a good point here.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 11:08

Arkate

Buh, Buh buh!

Buh ewecton votex!

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 11:16

Maeko

Yeah, OOO hates

Yeah, OOO hates Bombers.

We've gotten exactly one break in my memory, and that was the addition of the DR. Everything else has been nerfed to hell, or in the case of the Shards, dragged out behind the shed, skinned and gutted.

We still don't have an Elemental damage bomb (Mist bombs don't count, the only one that does Elemental damage beyond the tiny initial blast is the VT, and the line in general is used for utility, or is intended to be). The only real Shadow damage bomb we have is the DR, and that's DLC, that by the time you get it, is no longer really useful because you have found other methods of fighting. The Vortexes fall again into that utility niche in that they are infinitely more useful to Swordies and Gunners that doing damage on their own.

All our armor is Elemental, the main good one of which has been oversadowed by the Chaos set for giving the same bonuses and weakness, but giving said bonuses to Guns and Swords as well. (admittedly, that's an issue with the Chaos set, really).

C'mon OOO, stop treating Bombers like the red-headed stepchild of the game.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 11:23

Arkate

Voltaic Tempest, as you say is the best. And they all do elemental damage. What you fail to see, is that you can solo FSC with a Voltaic Tempest, RSS, and Shivermist.

I forgot to mention the Dark Matter bomb.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 11:21

Thinslayer

DCB

Deadly Crystal Bomb is an elemental damage bomb.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 11:23

Zeddy

Upgrading to 5* just isn't worth it unless you can fully heat it. This goes for just about every weapon.

I tested this with deadly shard bomb, and it only reaches the damage of level 10 heavy shard bomb at level 8.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 11:24

Arkate

Well it depends. If somebody was insane enough to craft Mad bomber, then they would get the damage bonus.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 11:29

Maeko

@Arkus Yes, all Mist bombs

@Arkus

Yes, all Mist bombs do elemental damage with the tiny, tiny, tiny initial blast that has to be right on the enemy to do a comparatively small amount of damage to other bombs. I kind of stated that in my post. The point is, that damage is CRAP.

I am aware of that FSC strategy and have done it myself before the nerf. You happen to be missing the fact that not only is that less than viable anywhere else, but Shards aren't anywhere near as good as they were, which I, once again, already stated.

@Thinslayer
Shards, shards, shards. Stated. Covered. Read.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 11:31

Arkate

Actually, shards are very utlizeable in FSC. True, on one portion...but that rocket pup is hopeless against them.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 12:04

#10

Mysteryzx

nah..

You're just a little too impatient

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 15:11

#11

Bopp

radius

Don't the 5-star mist bombs have significantly larger radii than the 4-star versions, and hence much, much more area coverage?

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 15:56

#12

No-Thanks

mii confuse

despite disagreeing to alot of the stuff here, i agree to the actual point of the thread, that bombs heavily rely on CTR and are screwed with radiant crystals being rare

i still dont know how this issue is going to be fixed or if at all, but i would point it out in a support mail, if i was affected by this
just for weapon balance in general

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 16:04

#13

Zeddy

@Bopp

The difference used to be completely batpoop insane (see the outdated radius images on the wiki), but the gap got very much reduced somewhere around two years ago. Now it's something like half a tile. Noticable, sure. Useful, sure. Crucial? Not so much.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 17:42

#14

Soulstaker

@Bopp

A level 10 4* mist bomb charges much quicker than a level 1 5* mist bomb. I guess you can cover more area with a Medium CTR 4* must bomb and no CTR 5*Mist bomb.

Edit:Got sniped by Zeddy and changed some things.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 17:30

#15

Dragonuity

Who wants an Elemental blast

Who wants an Elemental blast bomb :P And why can't bombers be greandiers as well?

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 18:22

#16

Ayelzr

At this point...

I vouch for bombs to be throwable, like a vial or a pot. Hopefully still be able to drop it too because the way I see it, I've been using bombs less and less. The problem here is the charge time and the fuse time: It takes a long time to get a bomber to wind in to do some decent damage or inflict status ailment considering that running around while charging is as difficult as it is, and then setting it down for it to go off is another issue. Bombing seems too limited to play at higher tiers unless new gameplay mechanics are introduced.

Plus, the Gremlin Demos throw their bombs. Why can't we?

On a Sidenote: I have Nitro, Radiant, Deadly Crystal, Shocking Salt, VT, and working on getting Shiver and Ash right now as I pick up SK for this Halloween event.

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