Maybe change it so the Brandishes' normal attacks have the same neutral damage as the Leviathan (I'm pretty sure they already are almost the same anyways). I agree with dropping the Acheron back to what it was before. However... don't dramatically nerf the damage of the normal Brandish hits... you nerf the CHARGE of the Brandish. Drop the AOE a bit, reduce the damage, and reduce the strength of the status. Back when you had like a 30% chance of getting 2 explosions, Brandishes were considered the weaker alternative to the Divine Avenger. I don't think they should 100% revert the Brandish charge buff, because the old brandishes were absolutely garbage, but it's definitely the charge that makes Brandishes OP.

Now... Switch Flourish and Suda damage values? What? Suda does need a damage buff, about on par with the damage buff the Acheron just got. However, I don't agree with nerfing the Final Flourish. The only reason I could think of doing such a thing is for PvP, which I completely disagree with. Final Flourish already does less damage than the other commonly used weapons, it's just faster. Even in PvP, it still takes quite a few FF hits to kill someone, compared to other weapons. I can somewhat understand the logic between the damage switch... but that's completely contradictory to how each of the weapons work! Suda is death via dropping a mountain on the guy. FF is death via a thousand pokes.

I personally think that, if you want to nerf Blitz, you make it less safe. You decrease how fast you can move while charging, and decrease the fire rate and reload time. It should be a significantly higher risk for the damage you get out of it.

Magnus range... ok sure... Iron Slug damage vs fiends? That makes no sense to me. It's like choosing between a Cautery Sword and a Nightblade to deal with slimes.

I don't use damage bombs too much, so I wont comment on that.

I agree with the Chaos changes. I would also add additional status weaknesses, so you need more than a medium UV to break even.

I'm not sure about the armor tied to sprites. It really limits your options if you wanted to exploit whatever the bonus is.

Honestly I've never thought there was anything wrong with the normal Brandish swings because they basically *are* specialized forms of the Calibur swings. That was kinda the appeal of the sword line IMO: It was a standard weapon with specialized damage. I do like the idea of making the Brandish charge more utility than damage. As of now people just use it as an auto-OHKO and that's what's so broken about it.

I mean if you really want to nerf the FF in PvP, you make it so it doesn't auto-stagger knights per hit, but that may be hard to do. A lot of good strikers would just adapt around it anyways, just because the FF is a really fast weapon (which is why it's so popular in PvP in the first place). If people rage quit because of the change then... well... now we know who are the actually good lockdown players and who are the ones who just like using money to win.

The idea of a longer reload time and fire time on the Blitz is to really punish you for either missing or for not timing your shots correctly. Forces you to make less mistakes. It's similar to how the WRH works, in that if you're good you do insane amounts of damage. However if you screw it up, you'll shoot yourself in the foot.

I personally would love the Iron Slug to be like something out of an old cartoon, where you pull out an outrageously over-sized pistol, fire a shot, and the guy goes flying back like 20 feet. That's kind of the impression I got from the description. Callahan shots are meant to fly right through you, while Iron Slug shots are meant to just smash into you like a sledge hammer. It may not be practical, but it'd be so fun to use :P. The problem with giving it a damage boost vs a certain family is that it doesn't work for devoted gunslingers who would already have damage boosts on their guns anyways.

Well there are more statuses in the world than fire. Shock vulnerability is an absolute pain. Poison is also often very underrated in how annoying it can be, and freeze is outright deadly unless you have good allies or a good shield. I just feel it's a bit unfair that you take a high risk / high reward type armor set, and then get rid of the high risk part by throwing money at it. If you're really going to go balls to the wall and forsake defense entirely for offense, you shouldn't be able to wear an armored suit of money.

Not sure why you'd want Heavy Deconstructor to be a Shadow weapon when it's an anti-Construct tool. I'd love seeing another Elemental pure damage bomb!

DVS/WHB
Can I get a data comparison of status alchemer vs WHB? Personally I'd say that the last charge wolver hunts down the nearest enemy before biting. WHB is mainly for effect anyways.

Flourish/Suda
Like Traevelliath said, Suda is death by dropping a mountain on them. Therefore it needs raw power straight up to be useful. Flourish, on the other hand, is more for speed and thus needs less raw power to deal a viable amount of dps (I think I looked at the wrong data table). Mechanics too need to be fixed to I suggest three straight pokes of various lunge distances.

Blitz
No. The average Joe player needs the high damage of blitz. I've seen several parties fail with full blitz, using charge only with an occasional sword swing. However in return for the damage, the player must be made more vulnerable.

Iron Slug
Construct? What construct is worth the range? Turrets, maybe. But you might as well Polaris. I want it to have its own viable niche. All other constructs can just be killed by brandish. Brandish is power. Slow one shot round is not power.

I will admit, the Iron Slug is in need of a buff, preferably with what Zeddy was going on about. It shares the same damage as a Callahan does (excluding damage inflicted to enemies weak to piercing damage), except it lacks the stunning power of the latter. In most cases, a Callahan can easily outperform an Iron Slug, minus those who are resistant to piercing damage. I'm all for the Iron Slug getting a stronger knockback and a damage bonus against constructs. The description of the handgun itself made it appear as if the base of the gun was designed for "deconstructing", in a way, sort of like a hand-held Heavy Deconstructor, minus the construct bonus, of course. I'm honestly holding onto my Mega Magnus right now, as it's difficult trying to choose one over the other. With the new gunner update coming up, it'd probably be best for me to idle with the weapon, in the meantime.

As for the WHB, I've been wondering what it would be like if instead of dealing pure normal damage (the higher swings of a WHB deal the same damage as Valiance's plasma rounds, I think, excluding WHB's beast bonus), it dealt pure piercing damage. This would help to maximize the versatility of WHB, and I can say that it can keep the damage bonus against beasts, but perhaps tweak with it a bit? Maybe let the 4* Hunting Blade deal piercing damage, and have a low damage bonus against beasts, then the 5* WHB can have a medium damage bonus against beasts, along with stronger piercing damage. This will allow the two blades to live up to their name, and in ways, easily "hunt" the beasts that roam the Clockworks. In some ways, would a DVS be preferable in the meantime? If you poison a beast using either of the two poison-Striker swords, so to say, wouldn't it have a similar damage output that the Hunting Blades would have against them?

I was also thinking about the VS/DVS being shadow-aligned, although these would make the Virulent Catalyzer & the Biohazard redundant. I think by then, the two swords would have a higher DPS than the handguns, except for perhaps, the explosive AoE attacks of the Catalyzers being their upperhand. The names of those blades made me think of them being shadow-aligned: Vile; unpleasant, wicked, evil. Dread; fear, darkness, horrifying.

@everyone
Yeah, sorry. I read the chart backwards. Suda and flourish shouldn't be switched.

@zeddy
Finishing up where I was, catalyzer needs the homing because its harder to use. Maybe you don't need it but I definitely would.

Chaos should have -1 compared to proto.

Skelly, magic, and bubble could have damage to deviate from the harness niche or a sprite specific thing. Like Drakon gets damage, Maskeraith gets an increase in duration, etc.

Your shard bomb cutter damage sounds good.

If blitz is too difficult then they shouldn't use it or keep practicing. Simple. It's something of a more advanced weapon. Long reload time would work actually because its a greater punishment for using so much damage.

If Callahan were pure piercing only and slug had stun, knockdown, and knockback I'd use slug against any kat, Greaver, and maybe devilite. It sets up a swordie with a vulnerable target.

I'll get to the rest of you guys when I have more time.