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Sun, 05/22/2011 - 12:34
CrashFu
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When your dead teammate drops a health capsule or two, the implication is that you are supposed to USE the health capsule and then REVIVE the dead teammate. Is that so hard to understand?

I can't tell you how many times now I have seen the following scenario: Room full of retrodes kills 3/4 of the party. Last guy alive is nearly dead. Dead teammate drops him some health capsules. Living moron either uses them immediately, but instead of reviving anyone, runs straight into the middle of the entire pack of enemies and loses the health all over again, OR doesn't even use them and spends ten minutes cautiously killing them by himself... and after they are all dead, STILL REFUSES TO USE THE HEALTH CAPSULES AND OR REVIVE ANY OF THE DEAD TEAMMATES. Two floors later (assuming the group survives that long with a cowardly teammate who refuses to revive anyone) he makes an unannounced trip back to town, leaving THREE health capsules behind at the top of the elevator while the rest of the group, all lacking health capsules, and short on energy after being forced to revive themselves, continue on to the next level short a man (as useless as that man happened to be) and each missing most of their health.

Revive your teammates and don't hoard health capsules unless you are 100% certain you're going to be using them for a boss battle sometime in the next few floors. Warn people before you go back to town and drop all of your stuff before getting on the elevator.

Please and thank you. >:I

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 13:42
#1
Loki
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This probably happens mostly

This probably happens mostly when partying with randoms, but you can't expect much of anything from randoms in any game.

If this -isn't- a random, and just some idiot, then teach him, and if he can't learn then never bring him along for anything, ever.

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 13:46
#2
Droganis
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This is why I solo

Also a good reason to only start my own party. A person acting like that would just get kicked. The only reason to play with a group is to have other people to pick your butt up after you get knocked down.

Well, the running into the room and losing all your health? That's kinda understandable, if stupid. That would warrant at least a warning before kick, just to make sure the player realizes that such behavior is not wise.

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 13:49
#3
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Pawn
I dont alway

Good point, i will say that i don't always want to be revived though if i drop a health capsule.
The exceptions are this:

Both scenarios usually involve danger room, arenas, or possibly graveyards.

1. If someone in all 5* gear tailored to the challenge is absolutely pwning at the game and doing damage and i'm laggy and can't stay alive (or even just can't stay alive and not laggy), i'll drop my health and just want him to use it to make sure we clear.

2. If we are being gang mobbed by enemies and my teammate is a good bomber, i would rather him use all his health to kite and clear out enemies with his bombs then give me 1/2 of the party health and try and 2 person kite enemies.

But...
@OP
sure sucks when someone not so great takes that health and thinks that 2* calibur charge slash into a mob of enemies was the idea.

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 13:54
#4
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Rommil
well, if its in an arena

and you are playing with a group of low leveled AND terrible partners who cannot stay alive to, well, save their lives, or yours, and you are proficient or even above average at the game, then sometimes i think the right thing to do is grab the health and use it to clear the stage. as opposed to using it, and then bringing them all back to life to die again in two seconds.

granted, most people who are this bad don't even know to drop potions if they are dead, but still.

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 14:24
#5
OnmyojiOmn
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I'll revive you once I've

I'll revive you once I've taken care of the mean, scary monsters that you voluntarily allowed to kill you. If you're dying with unused health pills, I can only hope you ragequit and stop dragging my run down. If you're dead and I see a pill, I'm probably going to pick it up and neither use it nor revive you because I'm not even at half health yet.

Sun, 05/22/2011 - 16:21
#6
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Gwenyvier
I agree with you. Although I

I agree with you. Although I have had near useless party members drop health caps while they were dead that I've picked up and not revived them with until after the battle was done. If you die, and you're near useless I will rev you... after I'm done clearing the room. If for no other reason then you taking aggro, drawing enemy fire towards me, knocking enemies around and constantly dying makes it a lot harder for me to stay alive then if you're dead and out of the way.

On the other hand if its a high heat floor I'll revive you every dang time you die, your loss is my gain.

~Gwen

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 08:37
#7
Gigafreak
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Well, the pill-dropping

Well, the pill-dropping person is providing the health. I'd think that person should have some say in how it's used. Otherwise they could just keep the pills for themselves and just wait for a health-revive when the battle is over.. upon which they use the pills on themselves.

If that player was awful and can't stop getting killed, this is a WORSE outcome than sharing half the pill health with them.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 09:18
#8
Awesomest
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Don't be stupid.

When you drop anything, be it a capsule, vial or vitapod, you essentially give up your right to its use. The expectation that your team should use it for your benefit is selfish.

When your dead teammate drops a health capsule or two, the implication is that you are supposed to USE the health capsule and then REVIVE the dead teammate. Is that so hard to understand?

The implication is that the person dead thinks that it would benefit the team more if someone still alive had the capsule instead of them. If the alive party member believes it would be better for the team if you stayed dead then they won't revive you. And if you don't have faith that your teammates will use the capsule for the benefit of the team, you shouldn't drop it in the first place.

If you think your party lacks teamwork, either assume leader and tell people what to do or deal with it.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 09:44
#9
edcdave
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Gremlins

I have seen gremlins consume health capsules (you see the image above their heads), but I don't know that I have seen them pick one up. If they can, then the timing of the drop will have to be close.

Laminarflo

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 10:52
#10
CrashFu
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I love how when I make a

I love how when I make a thread like this, a few people will invariably come forward and outright admit that they've been griefing and INTENTIONALLY screwing over their entire team for their own selfish gain. Might want to edit those posts now, children, or you might find yourselves being kicked from every group/guild you try to join. ;)

Mwahahahahahahaha.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 14:42
#11
Droganis
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Hmmmm....

I'm actually seeing different takes on the same idea, which makes any sort of discussion kinda meaningless. I would like to clarify my stance, at least:

If I'm down, I expect my fellow party members to revive me eventually. If they can handle the mobs, that's cool, I'll happily give a pill over so they'll have more health after the revive. If they kill the mobs and leave, assuming I'll energy rev? Uhhh... no.

I've played with people who were pretty bad. They drop, I keep killing, and I'll pick them up when it's convenient. I WILL pick them up, but not necessarily immediately. If it's someone I know well who I know would be more of an asset, I'll make more of an effort. Likewise, if I'm the last person up, I'd rather get another (reliable) warm body up than risk needing someone to energy rev because we got wiped.

Of course, downed knights can provide a great source of additional heat, so unless they are completely worthless, I am highly unlikely to kick someone for falling down.

@OnmyojiOmn: Really? I'd rather people not use pills unless they need to, then waste them every time they're injured. This goes double if you're doing a Jelly/Vanny run. And death when you have pills can be completely unavoidable for those of us with lag issues.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 14:59
#12
CrashFu
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Another thing, I like how

Another thing, I like how certain people just naturally assume that the last person who stayed alive was some kind of super-star player and that all of the dead people were noobs. That has never once happened in any group I was in. The last person to die is always the coward who wasn't even trying to help kill the monsters, and do you know how easy it is to get team-killed because some noob pushed a retrode a few feet to the left while it was firing it's laser, right after I skillfully sidestepped the attack? Or maybe someone pushes a jelly directly into me the exact moment it begins executing its attack? Death by noob is pretty common in this game. A lot of people don't think before they start swinging their sword.

So, no, the last person alive is usually a battle-shy noob who wasn't carrying their weight, and they usually just wind up dead next to everyone else because they refused to revive any of the more skillful players they got killed.

Maybe if there was some sort of option to offer a handful of crowns to whichever person revives you, to bribe them into competency. Something like.. 10 x amount of times button pushed x number of health bars they actually transfer over during the revive process, or something like that. But I guess that's one for the suggestion forum... ... in faaaact..

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 15:05
#13
Chicago
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No. I find the last person

No. I find the last person alive tends to be the person who is a careful player. Sure you can go into a group, block, swing or whatever and do a lot of damage but you'll inevitably end up taking damage. Be that as a bad block or by a teammates fault.

This is incredibly apparent in arenas, especially since there is a mandatory one before the JK gate. The idiots tend to rush into all the contructs widely blocking and swinging their swords. Half the time it is me left alive using my Freezing Vaporizer and killing the healers when I have the chance. It isn't just about doing a ton of damage in a short space of time. Kiting, slowing grinding the enemy down is a viable option, especially if people just widely use their Winmillion/Calibur/SS combos relentlessly and wonder why they die all the time.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 15:09
#14
Azurenightmare
This be weird cause every

This be weird cause every time I enter an arena (ESPECIALLY the pre-jelly arena) it ends with me running around killing everything with charged calibur 90% of the time.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 15:20
#15
Sigmund
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I disagree, Chicago. I've

I disagree, Chicago. I've seen more than my fair share of players who will hide in a corner or fight one mob, leaving the rest of the team to compete with the rest of the hordes. Sure, there are some reckless players, but assuming everyone who owns a sword is reckless is ridiculous. It only becomes reckless when one player is left on his own to get into melee because other players think its more pragmatic to not engage the mobs. Arguably its a miscommunication in strategy or difference in opinion on how it should be carried out, but if one player is avoiding combat, that means the rest of the players have more enemies to deal with. A majority of Knights tend to be Melee-based, or at least have a sword. There are people who rely entirely on guns or bombs, but its the norm to assume that a knight has a blade, and so strategy tends to fall under the assumption that many knights will engage in melee combat. If more than one knight isn't doing that, it means the ones who are find themselves engaged with more enemies.

Now, whether or not a player is smart enough to recognize that he doesn't have the support needed to engage in melee is a different matter.

On a side note, i have occasionally avoided resurrecting a player because I've considered that player to be a waste of the health. It sounds mean, but everyone's seen at least one player that they thought "Well, at least I'll get heat out of them..."

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:10
#16
Raul
It's not that I am being

It's not that I am being cowardly, it's that you hold me back and I realize that I simply don't need you atm and I balance your skill vs our time to live. Granted if you are needed for fodder and distraction you get revived. (Only thoughts about sucky players.)

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 02:00
#17
Franpa
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If I have a health capsule

If I have a health capsule and need resurrection, I drop the health capsule and tell the other player/s to revive me then use the capsule to reimburse them for there loss.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 02:32
#18
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Pawn
I agree with everything but this

"If you're dead and I see a pill, I'm probably going to pick it up and neither use it nor revive you because I'm not even at half health yet."

I mean i can see scenarios where this is beneficial. Again like in bomb kiting. But you attitude sucks a little. Well at leas my interpretation of your representation of it...for all i know you may be a great teammate. Certainly don't approve of what i read up there though.

On the otherhand i was recently playing with my friend hetero and we was at a floor 27 graveyard. He had full power and i had 3 bars and could hardly stay alive between lag and zero shadow defense. At a certain point, i thought, he has full power and is not losing his power...just joined...take all my health pills. Take my fire and my poison too. BTW, don't revive me. I had to be honest, it wasn't happening for me. I couldn't dodge/block a hit to save my life...literally. Let's beat this thing and having me leak HP like a busted water skin wasn't doing it.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 06:43
#19
Chicago
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I agree to some extent

I agree to some extent Sigmund. I was only referencing the knights who bum rush the mobs and complete their swing combos all the time. I run swords myself and the amount of randoms I get who don't understand the concept of attack-block. Sure your combo does more damage but it isn't wise to use it every freaking time. Those who run Vile Strikers and Winmillions have personally been my pet peeve, as they seem to most likely suicide in a pack.

You can easily keep yourself alive and do damage while taking none with single swings, kiting and shield bashing. For me I tend to freeze mobs, take out the healers and then safely swing-block-swing with whatever sword I happen to be using and clear out rooms with minimal damage. Having half the rooms mobs aggro doesn't affect me or any of my guild mates as they understand the concept for kiting.

I am of course playing the devil's advocate somewhat. I have seen people just hide in a corner doing absolutely nothing. However, the notion that last player alive is always a coward as suggested by the OP, is ridiculous.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 06:57
#20
BiggestLoser
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hello

how high is the probability of any1, who ur going to party with, reading this and showing positive effect afterwards?

imo everything is TOTALLY OKAY in a game as long as the possibility exists upon purpose by the devs, do not blame others for dying, but do blame urself if u end up raging, that u didnt solo through with weaker monsters and way more capsules for urself

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 07:14
#21
Franpa
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Also if you're near an

Also if you're near an elevator then you can simply NOT revive them as they will be revived for free (3 or 4 bars of health though) as soon as you travel to the next floor!

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 07:22
#22
Gigafreak
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Yeah but if you leave them

Yeah but if you leave them dead, they get no heat.

Not necessarily a big deal, but if it's yur friend and (s)he was trying to level their gear up for upgrading... well, it's the nice thing to do.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 09:12
#23
Franpa
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True, but also handy if your

True, but also handy if your the last survivor and almost dead yourself.

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