Now, before i say this, I do not mean any offense to anyone, so please tone down negativity towards eachother.
I think t2 iis a bbtter tier than tier 3 because of many things. You cant be 2-shotted by anything, you need to hit people more, people who dont hae the best armor can still do some damage, less complainers, you cant just midlessly use a weapon and do well, and etc.
T2 really should be played more since it is way more balanced, but it just isnt. I understand those with Grand fausts enjoy T3 more beacuse they can 2-hit everything that moves, but I thought more people would play t2 since it is balanced but what do i know? Evidently nothing.
Why t2 is better than t3.
I don't exactly understand how it's more balanced:
What happens if you go up against someone who has Attack Speed Increase: Very High everything? Trinkets don't exist or armor that provides Medium Bonuses that allow you to obtain Attack Speed Increase Very High. Not including the Kat Hoods anyway.
The same problem exists in Tier 3 as it does Tier 1 and Tier 2: Everything is behind a pay-wall.
Max Statuses allow you to bypass status Bombs just like in Tier 3.
Attack Speed Increase: Very High is behind a pay-wall just like Tier 3.
There are points where Tier 2 and even Tier 1 are more balanced than Tier 3, I agree. But you're still going to see the same problems in Tier 2 as you would in any other Tier.
Going to have to stop you right there. As someone who prefers t2, I have to say that it is likely the LEAST balanced of the tiers.
Now, hear me out, okay? In tier 2, there is a massive schism between the good and the bad. Dusker, Sealed Sword, Flourish, Pulsar. This set, along with two trihearts, forges the strict meta of tier 2. Dare to step one bit away from the meta, and you'll find yourself having that much harder of a time. I always believed that tier two was simply better, but it isn't. It isn't worse, either. Balance wise, tier 3 allows for more playstyles to become viable, as everything kills you in 4 or 5 hits anyways. Bombs become more of a threat, and guns borderline overpower skilled swordfighters. You see more unique sets and strategies in RLD tier 3 than RLD tier 2.
Both tier 3 and tier 2 offer different experiences because of different mechanics and different metagames. Compare to LoL and DoTA2. Both are great games in their own merit. There just isn't a "best" of the two. Just play what you like, and have fun with it.
@Glacies
I think Sirius is trying to say a player's performance in T2 is less dependent on factors outside of player control than it is in T3.
It is much more likely for someone to kill you without you touching them if they require fewer hits to make the kill. Do UVs, trinkets, and connection make a difference in all tiers? Of course, since LD is far from being solely dependent on skill. However, because a player can be killed in fewer hits in T3, it makes these "other factors" more significant. One statistical outlier could drastically change the results of a fight in T3, and less likely to do so in T2.
If you take a look at damage scores at the end of matches, the damage distribution is much more extreme-heavy in T3 than it is in T2 (many doing badly, many doing well, but gap in the middle). This is because people with good "other factors" can mores easily excel in the T3 environment.
@Sirius
All people who play Lockdown wants to win (to some extent). Even those who play for fun/challenge prefer to win over losing. If someone can win more easily in T3 than in T2, why should they change?
@Glacies Theoretically it's the same, but most people aren't willing to spend money on T2. Most strikers will opt for ASI med on their toothpicks and bombers go for ctr low. In all my experience of playing T2 LD ; I can safely say that I've only seen 3 game-breaking UV's (Hammer ASI VH/High, Toothpick ASI VH). Also asi isn't a huge factor in fights. You can always pull away and attack from a different angle (because fights last longer).
@Whimsicality Add hammer to that list. To be honest T2 is the most balanced tier from the viewpoint of a dusker clone. I still find it easier bombing in T2 than T3 though... because kilowatt is the only threatening gun (barely anyone uses it unless they're trolling) and no one has status immunity to shock. Otherwise I agree.
btw someone should set up a T2 gvg tournament. I really want to see how it would turn out.
There was a T2 gvg tournament that we hosted as guild las year, (some how we won even though Jempire joined too) We might do it again but i dunno.
T2 is for pansies (if you are a champion or vamguard rank, and play in T2 tryhard style, you fit this description completely.)
T3 is for the big boys. Go hard or go home. Yada yada yada
Yeah, if you cant handle T3, go to T2. T3 is less forgiving for rudimentary mistakes, which demands a higher skill level. And saying people have UVs doesnt apply, since there are some sad, sad, pathetic vanguards who pick on T2 nublets with their asi vh garbage.
Rage post incoming!
Tier 3 feels more fast-paced. I like that.
Tier 2 is a *little* more favoring to the swordsmen, in my opinion. Guns and bombs are horrible at lower levels.
I agree with you somewhat. Being able to handle T3 isn't a good reason to stay away from T2, though. T2 is balanced very differently, is a lot more relaxed, and the community isn't full of pooheads. In T3, you're basically guaranteed to have at least one jerk per game. In T2, they're much rarer. Likewise, not being able to handle T3 doesn't grant people the right to get mad at you if you try.
Didnt consider personality....good point!
T2 to take refuge from dem pooheads
t2:
shock status weapons + hammer + ff = GG
guns are useless, do about 0.1 damage
bombs are useless, cover half a cap point
swords = god
t3:
More variety of viable weapons (although some are overpowered)
guns = ranged damage
bombs = CC machine
swords = good damage output
Balance you say? I'd say t3 is more balanced.
Maybe Someone (coughZeddycough) can do a study on weapon damage ratios for both or all 3 tiers
Your first point is incorrect. I die from two hits from a hammer user, second hit sealed, second hit brandish, and any sword charge. Not everyone uses trinkets you know, which effectively ruins T2 LD.
Unless someone has UVs you only die if you are 2 star or 3 star with nothing heated in 2 hits. And seeing how my armor is fully heated in t3 and with 3 extra pips of health, (havent upgraded trinkets yet) and I get 1 hit KOed by the last hit alone of A Grand Faust, or Divine Avenger, I am pretty sure T2 doesn't have as OP weapons. And I don't understand what people mean by gunners are useless along with bombers. When I gun I can get a good 4k off of it some times. And i have seen many very skilled bombers.
Trinkets are basically standard play in T3. If you don't have them, either you get better at dodging or die a lot. UVs are secondary with gear to accent ASI and DMG depending... though if you play long enough, you'll eventually roll a good one or be able to afford one.
I gota agree with Redblades on the T3 having more options and balance between the gear.
I try gunning and recon sword/bombing in T2 occasionally. When gunning I rarely die once in a game and get maybe 5k damage, and with recon it's slightly more damage and dieing a time or two. You'd be amazed how many people just throw themselves into a 3* shiver to get deathmarked.
Blueflood for president.
Love his comments~
T2:
If you're that desperate but yeah, it works. You dont have to, not like its mandatory to get a kill. Norm? Yes. Bad situation just cause? Lol please
-They do less damage, more fun for swords. Not like they're actually useless.. We use them for the benefits obviously; though it causes more hybrids than anything.
-Pretty sure you want that point. Since guns do poor damage and swords don't reach as far, it gives bombers an actual chance to play.
-Good practice for new players and footwork. Instead of: oh..gf combo, i'll try next time. We can say: die die, why aren't you dead yet?? I think t2 players just enjoy the swordplay more than: wellp.big f'in bomb radius over here...any gunners willing to spend 2 minutes trying to kill this guy? Or: oh, a bullet..oh..another one...oh..dead...
Trying to say it has its perks^
yes,you are right....but...
bombers (like me) can't really bomb in T2 the bomb radius is just to small
gunners (like others) can't really gun either,because the guns are to weak
but besides those points T2 is WAY better than T3 :DDD