Spiral Knights - Please just put a Arsenal Station in the Lockdown locker room

Please just put a Arsenal Station in the Lockdown locker room

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Mon, 11/04/2013 - 11:25

Grimranger

Do I really need to make 50 extra loadouts that look like this:

(FF = Final Flourish
(GF = Gran Faust)

#1
Skolver Cap
Skolver Coat
FF
GF
Valiance

#2
Skolver Cap
Skolver Coat
FF
GF
Argent peacemaker

#3
Skolver Cap
Skolver Coat
FF
GF
Storm driver

#4
Skolver Cap
Skolver Coat
FF
GF
Umbra driver

#5
Skolver Cap
Skolver Coat
FF
GF
Polaris

#6
Black Kat Cowl
Skolver Coat
FF
GF
Valiance

#7
Black Kat Cowl
Vog Cub Coat
FF
GF
Valiance

#8
Black Kat Cowl
Chaos Cloak
FF
GF
Valiance

#9
Black Kat Cowl
Justifier Jacket
FF
GF
Valiance

#10
Black Kat Cowl
Shadowsun Slicker
FF
GF
Valiance

#11
Skolver Cap
Skolver Coat
Acheron
GF
Valiance

I could go on forever, but I somehow think you get the idea.
I end up making a billion different loadouts that have a very minor change in them. It takes a ton of time, it makes other loadouts harder to find, and it could all be remedied by simply adding an Arsenal Station into the Locker Room.
..come on, is it really that hard?
I have over 90 Tier 3 Loadouts.
It'd be oh-so-easy to make this into 15

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 11:58

Whimsicality

Please please please please please yes yes yes yes yes please yes yes please yes please

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 12:02

Fangel

Yes! Fangel agrees!

I see why the loadouts might make you stick to one playstyle and depend on your teammates, but we bypass that by making a bunch of situational loadouts that clutter the list. Arsenal stations would be so very nice.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 12:24

Skepticraven

-1

This is why there is a sorting bar on loadouts. Label all of them accordingly (ex: all snarby armor starts with "S", all PvE starts with "PvE")
It really would mess up lower tiers having an arsenal there because they would need to add in a mechanic to to restrict weapons/armor above 3* in T2 and >1* in T1.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 12:23

Bitsbee

Why...Do you have 90 Loadouts?

Holy Jebus...

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 12:41

Xtweeterx

Um. forget what I just said

Um. forget what I just said here.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 13:35

Grimranger

@Skepticraven

I see this taken care of rather easily. Use the Equipment Limit.
If you're playing Tier 2 Lockdown, an equipment limit is placed on everything that is higher then 3*.
If you're playing Tier 1 Lockdown, an equipment limit is placed on everything higher then 1*. (edit: made a derp, fixed)

@Xtweeterx
Now I'm curious.
But this must be a really good idea if I didn't get your annoyance.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 14:02

Skepticraven

@Grimranger

That is super easy to type, but would take awhile to code the new stuff (It probably isn't that straightforward to modify it - then you have to deal with possible bugs and whatnot). Since I consider this a suggestion convenience, I would prefer new content over this. I understand the want for it (It would be nice to have one there), but I don't think its worth having the staff put in time to make it.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 18:15

Grimranger

@Skepticraven

I see your point, but you'd think that it wouldn't be too difficult to make. I'd take a delay of content (as long as it's only 1-7 days) anyday, if something like this could be made.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 18:45

Rezzler

I like it! Maakes nice use of

I like it! Maakes nice use of people's arsenal's. But maybe it might distract players too much from actually playing.

Only problem they would have to fix is preventing people in T2 from equipping T3 items.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 19:09

#10

Canine-Vladmir

but too bad for bombers.

Bomber bring outs Voltaic Tempest, everybody rushes to Arsenal Station and equip Shock Resist Gear.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 23:13

#11

Gyrruss

@Canine-Vladimir

Then I hope they either have freeze/fire/stun/poison-resist UVs, or they won't be doing much for a while.

Some/most people already have Status-specific loadouts for hazers/alchemer gunners. It would make it easier on them to change (sorta? Guess loadouts are quicker), but so can bombers if they encounter a difficulty. It's a win/win in that aspect.

Meanwhile, I'll 1+ as you could both edit your loadout if you have a useless piece of equipment at any moment; and in any case, it would give a chance to the losing team to make a comeback if they encounter something like the aforementioned.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 23:14

#12

Wavara

"I see this taken care of rather easily. Use the Equipment Limit."
This.

Is player in LD?
NO-> use default restriction
YES-> check Tier
--Is T3?
--YES- use default restriction
--NO-> Is T2?
----YES?- use default restriction OR set restriction to Rank 5, whichever is lower
----NO?- use default restriction OR set restriction to Rank 2, whichever is lower

something like that?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:28

#13

Grimranger

Yes, something like that.
@Canine-Vladmir
Then guess what?
I'm bringing out the VV!

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:28

#14

Debrak

Why Dont avaible put Trinkets

Why Dont avaible put Trinkets after Gear swap and else and Grim mean you this is so much Of Loadouts 50 i have more
these

DA + WRM Sklover armor Vog Cub cap
Da + Acheron
Da + BTB
Da + Voltegde
Da + Ap
Da + OBsidian Carbine
Acheron Voltedgde
Acheron BTB
Acheron OC
Acheron AP
Acheron Btb
Acheron WRM
Wrm Btb
i dont want write all The Chat full I have snarb coat + Arcane mask + Seerus mask + Vog cap + Divine veil and Sklover Coat And Sinster skelly suit and you think 50 is to much that what i make a sort of list ist to much man!

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 14:51

#15

Brother-Zeke

Yeah, this makes it so much easier. I have over 100 T3 loadouts, 150 T2 loadouts, and when I want to play T1 LD--oh gosh (No wep slots). I should really recount those soon and maybe delete some...and those are just the PvP loadouts.

EDIT:
Well, I counted and I have 154 T3 loadouts and 142 T2 loadouts. This would make my life a lot easier.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 17:50

#16

Skold-The-Drac

+.5

Reason I'm for is due to dreaded locker room bug.
Plop in arsenal station and "hey you're accessing something way over here you must be in locker room" kinda thing goes on.
Half that's against? I get the feeling some bugs similar to Dtb in t2 would rise again. Which honestly shouldn't be a problem but... (Remember when occasionally someone could get away with a t3 load in t2?) I really don't think I need to explain the reason a bug would stop me from asking for more 'features'... (see also: half the patch notes, veterans who ask for a year or two for fixes, etc.)

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 18:19

#17

Sandwich-Potato

A modification.

No changing DURING a LD match, but you should be allowed to both pre and post game. Otherwise people would just run back to Locker Rooms and grab specialized gear for the enemy team.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 18:41

#18

Skepticraven

@Grimranger

Yes, the check should theoretically be that easy. However, thinking about it from a programming aspect...

Where does the check likely occur currently?
During the sign-up.
Checks what is equip (through unnamed loadout) and all PvP. Locks changing PvP/PvE loadouts.
Reasoning: Checks only ONCE per sign up for lockdown.

Option 1.
Check every time someone opens their inventory and try and equip stuff.
Reason: They are changing their equip items that have not been currently checked.
Downside: Lots of checks that must be done with server, because we cant trust players now can we? Results in laggier LD matches.

Option 2. (better one)
Lock items for higher tiers from equipping upon entering LD.
Reason: Again, checks once per game.
Downside: Possible bugs. Imagine getting DCed and not being able to equip your 5* stuff again.

Furthermore, the person who originally set this up may or may not be the same person that would redesign this. As a conservative estimate (with absolutely no knowledge of how the Devs design in OOO), I would give this project a 2-3 week estimate from start to finish.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 21:46

#19

Hexzyle

When you're this swag this world just bows at your knees

No changing DURING a LD match, but you should be allowed to both pre and post game. Otherwise people would just run back to Locker Rooms and grab specialized gear for the enemy team.

That's a dumb idea. One: It's not like you can't do this already, and Two: this is giving the middle finger to everyone in a match where Haze Bombs are used.

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Please just put a Arsenal Station in the Lockdown locker room