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Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:58
Noobazoidss's picture
Noobazoidss

I got a drakon and am thinking about what ultimate to give.
I am a swordsman with a few gun.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:04
#1
Wolfe-Knight's picture
Wolfe-Knight
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Frenzied Firestorm, that attack bonus is amazing and it is team wide so you are not just helping yourself. You can pop the ultimate and hit a few people then take them all out with your now buffed weapons. Fun thing to do with frenzied, go into JK with 4 DR bombs and at teh boss have some use the ultimate while bombs are out, massive damage will ensue.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:08
#2
Noobazoidss's picture
Noobazoidss
Hmm

Do you know how much the buff is?
Is it like the buff you get when using a spark?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:17
#3
Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee

Is Explosive Firestorm good? I want to get Frenzied Firestorm, but I want my Drakon to have Wings(& I don't want to shell out another 2600E for a new Sprite).

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:19
#4
Noobazoidss's picture
Noobazoidss
Back fire or scorching

Which one is the better?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:21
#5
Noobazoidss's picture
Noobazoidss
Double post

Why the double posts...

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:30
#6
Writhes's picture
Writhes

Frenzied makes you and your party do more damage while explosive makes the firestorm do more damage. Obviously, the more damage you and your party do with frenzied the more benefit you are receiving from it while explosive has a fairly straightforward amount of damage.

Personally, I went with frenzied because of its potential to scale with skill and gear. However, if you care more about visual things like blue fire or wings then maybe explosive is for you.

Btw, don't click post multiple times when your browser is lagging.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:35
#7
Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee
Maaaaaan...

I want Frenzied so bad, but I want my Drakon to have wings. The arms are awesome, too, but Drakon, despite being based off a Dragon, starts off without any visual way of floating(Seraphynx has wings & Maskeraith is a ghost) unless you get Explosive. I really wish OOO made our Sprites actually customizable.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:39
#8
Raunwynn's picture
Raunwynn
How long does the buff last

How long does the buff last on Frenzied Firestorm?
Right now I'm only using explosive against jelly and zombie herds.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:41
#9
Noobazoidss's picture
Noobazoidss
I think it's a 15% buff for 5

I think it's a 15% buff for 5 seconds

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:43
#10
Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee

I think like 7 seconds. You have to get an enemy in the Firestorm to activate it, but it's random.

EDIT: Sniped.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:46
#11
Draycos's picture
Draycos

Drakon is the weakest Sprite, so don't get your hopes up too high for anything but Backfire Barrier. Here's my reasoning for each of my choices, anyway.

Firebolt doesn't matter, but I like Meteoric because it's pretty and don't like Concussive because it's random.

Backfire Barrier is way better because it has the same defense boost with an extreme amount of utility. That movespeed boost is huge, albeit only 2 seconds long. Unlike Scorching's flat boost in DPS, it lets you do some gimmicky things.

Frenzied Firestorm gives about a medium/high damage boost to everyone with a slight ASI boost for 10 seconds max (5 seconds, resets throughout the firestorm's 5 seconds). It doesn't give enough damage to warrant using it for anything but ASI except for continuous-damage attacks, and I swear the jump in ASI compounded with the golden flashes have gotten my teammates hurt. Don't be fooled, though; it's way easier to use than Explosive Firestorm.

Explosive Firestorm is, in my opinion, the hardest Sprite skill to use effectively. You pretty much need a vortex to keep enemies pinned inside it, but it does a good job at flinching some enemies or dealing okay damage besides. It averages out to about 600~800 per target if you're vortexing, so it's easily outmatched by other damage sources. The upside, though, is that you're free to move around as you please while using it. There are cases where it's better to just keep spamming that Electron Vortex, though, but that's a little too specific to mention as a drawback.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:47
#12
Noobazoidss's picture
Noobazoidss
Hmm in that case

I think I'd be getting frenzied and what abut the second ultimate?

SCORCHING OR BACKFIRE?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:49
#13
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Draycos

Like I said, Backfire Barrier.

"Backfire Barrier is way better because it has the same defense boost with an extreme amount of utility. That movespeed boost is huge, albeit only 2 seconds long. Unlike Scorching's flat boost in DPS, it lets you do some gimmicky things."

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:49
#14
Noobazoidss's picture
Noobazoidss
Hmm in that case

I think I'd be getting frenzied and what abut the second ultimate?

SCORCHING OR BACKFIRE?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:49
#15
Noobazoidss's picture
Noobazoidss
Hmm in that case

I think I'd be getting frenzied and what abut the second ultimate?

SCORCHING OR BACKFIRE?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:54
#16
Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee

Dude, you need to get that computer checked out.

And thanks, Draycos. Weird...I was kinda expecting the "Dragon Princess" to answer in this Thread. What was her name again? Oh yeah, Mawamoomoo.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:52
#17
Noobazoidss's picture
Noobazoidss
Omg seriously

Sorry bout the double posts it's glitching and ok thanks for opinions :)

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:07
#18
Writhes's picture
Writhes

Frenzied lasts longer than 5 seconds. It constantly refreshes till the fire stops ticking as long as its hitting something. If I had to guess id say it can last up to 9-10 seconds.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:01
#19
Raunwynn's picture
Raunwynn
Scorching is awesome. I have

Scorching is awesome.
I have no experience with Backfire, but Scorching just melts stuff as you circle it with alchemers.
It stacks with the pick up orbs too and turns you into a firewheel of death!
I assume it works differently for sword users because of the swing movement and knock back, though.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:02
#20
Noobazoidss's picture
Noobazoidss
No subject :P

Any more opinions? I'd like to hear them

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:09
#21
Writhes's picture
Writhes

You won't likely be hugging a mob long enough for scorching to have a big effect. The buffs from backfire are more beneficial imo.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:15
#22
Thunder-The-Bright's picture
Thunder-The-Bright
gods ain't gonna help you, son.

schorching is a good option. despite what everything is saying, with a sword in hand and near a crowd you can get practically everything to half health, without naming what you actually kill. it is more risky cause you have to stay in the crowd for all the time, but that's what swordies do.
backfire makes you dodge, fast and clean. you can burn past a crowd while charging and get off a hard situation.
they're both good, just choose what you like more.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:20
#23
Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee

I'm going for Backfire, because the Speed Boost is cool & the Orbs'll match my Costume.

Scorching seems to be the best for after Reviving, due to the Damage Boost from the Rev & the brief time of invincibilty is perfect for the Barrier to dish out damage.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:23
#24
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Wolfe-Knight
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Backfire is good with running but it damage output is around, if not the same, as the original barrier. It gives a excelent boost to speed but that boost is quite short and you are now just farther away with the same barrier as before. Not my first choice but is a very fun tool to play around with but can also be hazerdous (small rooms, ie arenas, will make using this a pain). I feel the damage and defence you get from the barrier are wasted when you pick backfire.

The Scorching Barrier on the other hand just focuses on that damage output and boy does it focus. If you circle around enemies you can get a massive amount of hits out of this and in turn become a walking blitz. A common tactic I use with a friend is I drop a ton of EV bombs and he pops scorching and another barrier (more damage and statuses), we level hordes of enemies in a matter of seconds. You may have to stay in a crowd longer but thats why the defence boost is great and what swordsmen excel at.

Backfire is not bad but you will be trading a chance to do massive amounts of damage for a quick boost. I do admit though it is a great skill for speed running (the best) and it gets gunners out of trouble quickly.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:39
#25
Noobazoidss's picture
Noobazoidss
No subject :P

Hmm I see is there any other buff to the barriers other than the speed and the extra orb?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:42
#26
Draycos's picture
Draycos

Scorching's damage is largely outshined by actual weapons, though... so why not pick the thing that gives you what nothing else can? That's my logic.

Hey, I'm a dragon, but not a dragon princess.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:47
#27
Thunder-The-Bright's picture
Thunder-The-Bright
gods ain't gonna help you, son.

bitsbee, statuses in general don't affect the sprites at all. not buffs, not poison, not shock.
draycos, with the appropriate harness and a fast weapon you can kill a mecha knight or four. with flourish interrupt and cutter's speed, you can almost stay untouched, if you know what you are doing.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:47
#28
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Zeddy

Details.

I wish you good luck in your choices, as I think the ultimates choices for Drakon are the most balanced out of all the three sprites. Not a single ultimate ability can be said to be largely better than the other without crucial counterpoints. It's gonna' be all down to how you use said abilities.

@Draycos

The 24% damage bonus from equipping max damage on your weapon is largely outshined by the weapon's inherent damage. In fact, that damage is over four times bigger.

However, I still think equipping damage bonus for your weapon is a good idea.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:48
#29
Wolfe-Knight's picture
Wolfe-Knight
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It may be something new but it is not always helpful (IE when my teammates decide to run away from the fight), while scorching can be used with your weapons. That in turn pretty much doubles your damage output for the time the barriers are up. I have way to many people use backfire to run away from a fight instead of rushing in, so I might be a tad bit biased. Also as a vortex bomber (never take my EV off, no matter what) people with scorching often help me out immensely.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:55
#30
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Draycos

Right, well, you're still using a weapon that's restricted to normal damage or piercing damage. Kinda lame.

@Zeddy My point is, and was, that it doesn't help certain weapons too much. It might shave off a hit or two, but that doesn't really accomplish a whole lot. You could argue that it helps you flinch things, which would be true. I mean, it's not like I forgot to mention that or anything.

Just sayin' that the ASI part of it is what makes it so viable, and then it might mess people up if they don't expect it.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:59
#31
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Autofire
You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

Well, do you use Cutters? They benefit majorly from the barriers. I would go far enough to say that the Scorching Barrier would make a DVS massively competitive with other swords, thanks to the outrageous damage. I've smashed 4 Lumbers in seconds using a maxed (though not ulti'd) Flame Barrier.

Also, keep in mind that if you are poisoned, the damage IS NOT REDUCED. This could keep you viable even in such situations. I need to see if monster bonuses effect the damage or not.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 15:04
#32
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Draycos

Why not use some other close-quarters, low-knockback, high-mobility weapon?

Yes. Bombs.

Conveniently, Backfire Barrier helps me set up a perfect vortex.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 15:29
#33
Zeddy's picture
Zeddy
@Draycos

I was actually thinking about Scorching Barrier. You were arguing that the damage was outshined by most weapons.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 16:39
#34
Draycos's picture
Draycos

Wh-

Oh. Ohhhh. I see. I should clarify, too.

I mean to say that high-mobility weapons work well with it and that not all of them do enough to warrant working with them as opposed to using another weapon entirely that has higher damage on its own.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 01:39
#35
Noobazoidss's picture
Noobazoidss
:)

Do you think the following ultimates are ok?

Concussive, Scorching and Frenzied anything wrong with these please post it

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 04:24
#36
Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee

I love my Concussive Firebolt. It's very useful in immobolizing turrets, especially since I'm a Bomber.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 05:17
#37
Aplauses's picture
Aplauses
@Bitsbee

Concussive explosion looks cool too.

/star

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 06:13
#38
Avixi's picture
Avixi
Can I sit down? The sky keeps swirling around.

I've tried both ultimates for all three skills, and settled on Meteoric/Backfire/Frenzied.

Either way, they're all about equal in how underwhelming they are, and that combo just fit my playstyle more.

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