Spiral Knights - Go big or go hipstah?

Go big or go hipstah?

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Sat, 11/09/2013 - 19:41

Kathrine-Dragon

So for those of you who remember my thread asking on skolver or vog, I did get my full vog, thank you very much. Now I have a new question.

Electron Vortex or Blitz Needle?

Now, I'm going off of the assumption that pretty much every team doing FSC already has a couple of Blitz Needles. I wield a Glacius as my main weapon and have space for only one more. EV has great synergy with Glacius, but Blitz gives Vana-killing power that I need for the fifth stage. Teammates would enjoy EV, but also Blitz. I do have the ability to kill a Trojan with a Glacius so Blitz is not absolutely necessary in that sense.

What do you suggest? I want your biased opinion. Not just "Blitz is powerful, EV is weak". I'm thinking both of my teammates and myself. Teammates benefit from both but in different ways.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 20:16

Bamzalot

What I think...

Well, I will first point out that even though it seems that way, not every party is guaranteed to have a Blitzer. I have learned that from experience. But far fewer parties would have an Electron Vortex as well. When you get right down to it, you are comparing weapons made for the minis and the brutes.

EV makes fighting off the swarms of slags very easy for team mates. But it wont be nearly as useful against the numerous trojans found in FSC. Now the other way around applies for the Blitz. Great against trojans, not so great against slags. The Blitz is also far more useful during Vanaduke than the Electron Vortex. By that time EV is limited to holding off a few slags for the first stages of the battle.

But the Blitz is not needed for Vanaduke, and if you can easily kill trojans with a Glacius, I'd recomend the EV. It will be more useful for the majority of FSC and team mates almost always love it.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 20:30

Shadowstarkirby

Vortex

Under the assumption that everyone besides you have Blitz, it'd be best if you gave up 1/4 of the firepower to gain unbeatable mob clearing speed with Vortex. You can easily cut down a run by 10+ minutes using Vortex over like...30 seconds or so in Vana alone. The thing is though, you have to be sure that the party is taking full advantage of it and if their primary weapons can even take advantage of it at all.

Even with all this said, there's a pretty solid Blitz/Strike requirement in Vana runs, so you may occasionally be questioned or kicked if you don't have either. You probably might have to fight some hosts for a spot despite how much better Vortex would be. If you could, try getting an extra weapon slot to carry both.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 21:01

Wolfe-Knight

Wolfe-knight applauds

Blitz has amazing killing potential and it helps a lot in FSC. Everyone knows the blitz for its trojan killing ability, which helps quite a bit. Also a single charge can take out a slag at range if you hit enough shots. Once you have the charge time down it becomes a pretty decent sidearm against weak or neutral enemies. Without having any CTR on it can be difficult to get some shots off in time, unless you pre-charge.

EV on the other hand turns groups of slags into CR and heat quite nicely. A nice perk from using a vortex is that it is great in a team, and may groups will thank you. Chaining bombs close together might get you hurt but overall it is a lot safer to everyone around you while helping kill creatures. Much like blitz without having CTR makes it hard to use, I recommend using your pet perk for this. A plus for vortex bombs is that it can be good anywhere, even against resistant enemies, thanks to its utility factor.

I prefer EV for its group usefulness and status effects, I rarely take mine of my knight. The mix of shock and the vortex effect makes it so the more creatures that get locked in the better it is. Scarabs for example dont stand a chance against it, making compounds safer, and anything that does that is good.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 21:13

Midnight-Dj

Blitz all the way

Glacius can already perform what EV can do, and that is holding slags in one place. So there is no point of making EV, blitz is a much better weapon if you know how to use it.

1.Freeze slags with glacius charge attack
2.charge blitz
3.release the blitz at the slag/trolljan's general direction
4.???
5.profit!

Ps. EV will be a pain to use if you don't have full volcanic demo suit, it takes about 5 seconds to charge if you are not wearing demo gears. And the movement speed decrease on the bomb makes it almost impossible to use offensively.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 21:21

Bopp

opinion

EV lets you process the early levels (depths 24-27) slightly more quickly than you would without EV. That's it.

Blitz lets you kill Vanaduke fairly easily. If your party is already able to kill Vanaduke easily, then this is not much advantage. If your party is not able to kill Vanaduke easily, then this is a big advantage. If your party is already able to kill Vanaduke easily, then you will just speed them up a little bit --- kind of like the speed-up you get from EV.

So I guess I would recommend Blitz first.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 10:47

Rezzler

Blitz needle, by far. It

Blitz needle, by far. It destroys zombies, trojans, and vanaduke.

EV will only help if you have brandishes or AoE charges

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:25

Poopsie

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Electron Vortex =/= glacius. The main purpose of vortex is to connect a charge attack with 8+ monsters at once (ex: brandish forward slash charge, not only the explosions), instead of normal targeting which is usually only 1 - 3 monsters. CTR and fire resistance is useful but they are not necessity, this is assuming you are already pro at dodging monsters. Walking speed decrease is about the same with blitz needle and I can just dodge about anything zombie(s) trying to throw at me while charging blitz or bomb.

I think it's slightly more quickly by overall (counting the running, breaking boxes etc parts), but vortex definitely could halve the duration of battle, this is especially good if you're with not-so-pro players as they finish quicker, they tend to die less.

@OP: blitz needle first though >_>
and glacius still can't beat blitz on killing trojan. You can kill a trojan in almost instantly with blitz while glacius takes longer.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:43

Usevnsevnsixfivfor

I don't join EFSC parties where everyone doesn't have a Blitz/Lvl 10 Strike/Shivermist/Plague. EV does not count.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 20:47

Shadowtrojan

so much text in comments

I prefer electron vortex.

1. It proves you were a LD pwnz0r to get it

2. when they get sucked in, you charge that sexy glacius and let out its roar of swag.

3. If you fail to charge your killer sword, the bomb will dentonate and might shock your foe.

Though ive never had an EV, I was in a party where both my teammates had EV and we finished FSC in like 10-20 minutes flat. Plus it is also very usefull in other depths of the clockworks considering that wolvers and some fiends dodge every attack of blitz in Tier 3.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 20:38

#10

Skold-The-Drac

EV is too shexay

Too sexy for your love, too sexy for your love, so seexy it huuurts.
and it's too sexy for your party, too sexy for your party, no way it's vana dancing! :p

/endsheer90'sstupidity

Knowing you carry a glacius and vog, I'd tell you to go blitz realistically.

But then there's that side that tells me to slap you in the face, get a mad bomber suit and make some shock and awe happen when all you need to clear fsc is either a ctr'd blitz/lvl 10 needle or a seerus mask (with an alchemer) and a vortex.

But srsly, go blitz

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 16:15

#11

Dutch-Oven

You can get away with using a

You can get away with using a strike needle, it's almost as good. Also, autoguns aren't just for vanaduke, they work on the bosses in GitM, HoI, GWW and OCH too. And if you're talking about being truly "hipster" you can make a volcanic pepperbox which works well on every boss in the damn game.

Both Blitz and EV are a bit of a pain to use without CTR, but I consider both essential must-crafts. I know you're gonna craft both eventually so I suggest making 4* versions of both.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 17:15

#12

Arkate

Both.

Together, they are unstoppable.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 12:51

#13

Terra-Necro

@Shadowtrojan

It is physically impossible to complete a full FSC run (if you are including the boss) in 10-20 minutes in a full party, regardless of if every teammate had max damage, asi, and ctr. Dutch-Oven can vouch for me on that.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 13:02

#14

Krakob

I'm certain you can beat FSC in sub 20 minutes if you practice enough.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 13:34

#15

Pepperonius

FSC sub 20

I've done 24-27 in 18 minutes, killing everything. It's possible. You just need a great party, everyone takes a room on 25, and you can clear it in 5 minutes. The rest of the levels are cake.

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