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Chaos Set/Mad Bomber Fix!

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Mon, 11/11/2013 - 12:10
Blaknt's picture
Blaknt

mad bomber stays the same. because adding damage bonus will effectively make the bomb damage trinket even more useless(sprite already can make you have max) so i propose adding the the damage vs all enemies low penalty to the both parts of the chaos set. i know this isnt implemented yet because damage bonuses effect weapon damage. so that needs to change to negative damage vs. anything just means you receive more damage from there attacks while not effecting weapon damage and positive damage vs. is as it is now.

and maybe, if the negative damage penalty make chaos to weak, add asi or msi low to each part.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 12:47
#1
Whimsicality's picture
Whimsicality

Or, give Mad Bomber damage high on both pieces, and remove or half the status weakness.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 14:01
#2
Thunder-The-Bright's picture
Thunder-The-Bright
gods ain't gonna help you, son.

@OP: so reduce defense against everything? all right, seems legit.
@whim: bombers dont' need that kind of love, they need a tweak in mechanics more than more power. they have power already, and they can use it well in some situations (see: zeddy), but they are way way worse in some others.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 14:19
#3
Waffleconecake's picture
Waffleconecake
How do I what do? /watch?v=nCunpY5nT1M

So tired of these threads.
Give chaos piercing defense instead of elemental because reasons.
Make each one armor piece have damage bonus med and ctr low while the other has damage bonus low and ctr med OR give the set attack speed med for guns, damage bonus med for sword, and ctr for bombs med per piece.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:57
#4
Masterreeve's picture
Masterreeve
Chaos rework

@Waffleconcake
You can't give chaos pierce, all three cloak lines are elemental armor for a reason. they are meant to be a set together and can't change damage resist type. And even if it did, shadow defense would make more sense than pierce on chaos.

@Whimesicality

the guy just said in his original post
"because adding damage bonus will effectively make the bomb damage trinket even more useless(sprite already can make you have max)"
and i agree with this that we don't need a buff to mad bomber. And lowering the negative status resistances would make it too OP considering it gives so much damage and CTR.

@OP
This is something i've been saying since before chaos had gotten its recent buff, but i suggest giving chaos CTR med on the hood and damage med on the cloak. This way, the set isn't too overpowered for having universal bonuses, but still each piece is strong enough that you can mix and match it with other sets. Also, applying CTR to the hood makes sense since you need mental focus to charge, and damage to the cloak because you need physical power which relates to the body.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 07:34
#5
Exerpa's picture
Exerpa
Mad Bomber wasn't FutureProof

You want to keep Chaos as far away as possible from Mad? Do this.

Everyone and their battle sprite seems to dream up all sorts of exotic buffs for Mad as if they think it can be 'saved' that way. It can't.
Mad was good in 2011. But Krogmo trinkets, Volcanic/Bombastic buffs and finally sprite perks made its practicality questionable. Sure, Chaos shouldn't have been buffed to cover all 3 classes as it prevents the possibility of future "Mad Wolver/Gunslinger" sets... Mad Bomber on the other hand is out competed by everything else a Bomber can wear. The whole concept of a double-buffed class set would have made more sense on triple buff-able weapons - swords and guns.

Maybe if MSI was moved from 'extended beta testing' to a legitimate Krogmo Bomb trinket, bombs would now be a triple buff-able class worthy of having a double buffed set like Mad. After all, concerning yourself with offensive stat boosting is what sets like these are all about.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 08:38
#6
Fangel's picture
Fangel
I agree to a point

Honestly, I think that chaos should either go back to how it was pre-buff, or get a damage bonus high on its hood and CTR high on the cloak. Damage would be on the hood to prevent damage stacking with three black kat cowl, and separating the two bonuses would actually promote using a hybrid of armors.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 09:40
#7
Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee

I think Mad Bomber should get a Universal CTR: Med Bonus on each piece & Chaos Cloak given CTR: Low on each piece, increase the Status debuffs by one pip, & lower defense.

This would make Mad Bomber a bit more favorable for its CTR & will make Chaos actually feel like a risk/reward armor.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:07
#8
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
...

Actually what this whole thread did there was make Chaos absolutely worthless again.
I'm confused as to why a chaos-hater's avatar is a chaos set.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:06
#9
Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee

Crap.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:28
#10
Whimsicality's picture
Whimsicality

Buff Mad Bomber, make tanky sets actually tanky (here's a VIABLE idea; give them bigger health bonuses!), fix the sun shards, make bombs more viable damage wise!

The likeliness of any of these suggestions is sadly as likely as Chaos being hyper nerfed to being useless. (Read: It was still useless even with Low on both pieces.)

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:43
#11
Superchannel's picture
Superchannel
Let me make a channel

Not this thread again

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:39
#12
Usevnsevnsixfivfor's picture
Usevnsevnsixfivfor

@Whim Mad Bomber is balanced enough to be good, but Chaos is the only problem here, so don't start throwing axes at Mad Bomber.

Give each Chaos item CTR low with the same damage med, and add stun weakness medium per piece. Both Chaos and Mad Bomber will give +4 health on S6 instead of the +5 health, goes down that way until S1 where it will give +1 health each. Now they have a bit of balance.

Or, have those wearing Chaos be able to use Chaos Blast and Chaos Control if they have a Chaos Emerald. Or you could give it to your sprite to level it up to Drakon 1 or Seraphynx 1 or Maskeraith 1. Or collect them all to turn into Super say-it mode or give them to your pet to become Perfect Drakon or Perfect Seraphynx or Perfect Maskeraith. Or you can learn about your past and Izora before the Skylark exploded.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:49
#13
Masterreeve's picture
Masterreeve
exactly what usevsevn said,

exactly what usevsevn said, don't buff mad bomber. otherwise, we will get people in the future asking for a mad nerf all day long. what you need to do is nerf chaos

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 05:25
#14
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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Then why did they buff it originally?
Chaos isn't that bad. If it was bad as all the MB users say, why don't more people use it? I see more wolvers in Lockdown than chaos. Chaos has the evil curse de-buff that MB doesn't have. Mad seems to be a just fine bombing set and I don't see why they need to attack Chaos when it has more de-buffs. If it annoys them that much, just get Chaos. You get the same buffs.
They had a reason for buffing it. It was so underpowered before people never used it. The only thing I cold see them adding that wouldn't ruin Chaos would be a stun de-buff on it.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 16:14
#15
Zeddy's picture
Zeddy

"Then why did they buff it originally?"

I will reveal to you the exact sequence of events that lead to this:

  • Kat Hats get designed. The regular Kat Hats provide +1 damage +1 asi for their respective damage types.
  • Black Kat gets designed. They want it to be desired by everyone, so they give it universal damage bonus. They also don't want people to think "why use this dumb hat when I could be using skolver/shadowsun/bombastic", so they give it +3 damage. And MSI.
  • Now Black Kat is insanely overpowered when compared to Chaos. OOO predicts outrage.
  • Better buff Chaos so entire forum doesn't explode into protests about P2W gear.
  • Now Mad Bomber is underpowered compared to Chaos.
  • lol we don't care about bombers
Fri, 11/15/2013 - 16:58
#16
Draycos's picture
Draycos

Read also: old Shard Bombs and how awfully OOO revised them, then refused to admit they were wrong.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 02:49
#17
Thunder-The-Bright's picture
Thunder-The-Bright
gods ain't gonna help you, son.

I'm afraid of what I will get myself into, but...
well, about shard bombs, they were right. "not bomblike enough", they said, and well, they were. bombs are supposed to be AoE and not with uber high range. they would have done better if they transformed it into a gun (after appropriate tweaking). then there is the multi hit thing, which would have been better be dealt with otherwise. they already got a damage nerf, why the hit limit, darn it?
as for the topic, take out specialized defense. say that magic has turned from defensive to offensive, or that the high instability takes out defense, or whatever you wish. just take it out.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 03:04
#18
Exerpa's picture
Exerpa
Browse thru the wiki history

Browse thru the wiki history of both sets.

>Give 2 sets negative status resists because it looks cute.
>Spend the next 3 years trying to decide what these sets should do.

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