I find it quite amusing how they're just hideing every negitive comment/post where ever they can. The day the patch came out their facebook was flooded with complaints and warning post to future players. Now all you see are just a handfull of "people" who like the game. My only concern is why dont you just let people say what they want? or hell here is a better one, why dont you take our suggestions into consideration before making large alterations to the game play? This game might as well be an anti-social game, since everything you do is for yourself. I honestly LOVED this game, i was able to login over 7 days worth of game time in a month. But this new 'update' is just a slap to the face and a huge "F- you' to your fans.
Anyone look at Spiral's FaceBook lately?
Mon, 05/23/2011 - 09:46
Mon, 05/23/2011 - 10:26
#2
While I don't exactly agree
While I don't exactly agree with them taking down all negative posts. I can understand why. And would assume that most of them were negative but lacking constructive criticism - I guess the opposite can be argued that most of the posts praising them offer no constructive responses either.
Also upon inspecting their FB page there are still a number of negative posts on there revolving around the update.
Mon, 05/23/2011 - 10:55
#3
Hey there. We're not hiding
Hey there.
We're not hiding "every negative comment/post where ever" we can. Go take a look at the wall; there's a variety of comments there. We do reserve the right to remove foul stuff, threats, and so on.
EDIT to add: Also, we have our Facebook filter set to auto-hide things according to whatever Facebook has as their "moderate" language filter (they don't reveal exactly what words are verboten). So some stuff gets hidden before I even see it. If Facebook hides a post that has nothing wrong with it, I unhide it.
Mon, 05/23/2011 - 13:42
#4
Eh
Well, the Facebook thing is just a way of advertisement.
What's the point on having it if it gives a bad image of the game?
The forums serve a different purpose, so here the comments don't get censored.
Mon, 05/23/2011 - 15:48
#5
no they're just "moved" to
no they're just "moved" to dying threds never to be seen again
Mon, 05/23/2011 - 16:48
#6
Is it really nessecary to
Is it really nessecary to complain about the update? It's not like people aren't saying things we don't know. Not many people like it, but I don't think we need to be constantly reminded about how lame it is.
Mon, 05/23/2011 - 17:48
#7
Either get with the new
Either get with the new times, or forget about it. Everything you want to say has been said 100 times. Continuing to complain about it serves no purpose.
Wait for the next patch, hopefully they'll introduce some more materials sinks, maybe they'll lower crafting costs but it's not likely. There are a lot of end-game players with a lot of CE and crowns stored up, so the data probably points to the fact that we need more sinks (I know I have 35k CE and really nothing to do with it, so if there are a few more players like me, clearly we need more sinks for energy as well as crowns and materials, based on the data alone.)
But maybe not, maybe my speculation about the data is strictly insufficient. Well in either case, the negative comments aren't "moved" to dying threads, they are in dying threads, because people have gotten tired of complaining.
tl;dr Your complaining serves no purpose except to make you seem juvenile and afraid of change, especially when you don't bring any reasonable alternatives (one guy did, and I was impressed with his response.. It was somewhere in one of those three page long responses. He said something in this thread:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/8958?page=1
his was response #59 (I don't know how to link to specific responses)
In any case, if you don't bring any constructive responses, there's no reason to be negative. Maybe read the forums before posting something new, and pointless?
Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:25
#8
(I don't know how to link to
(I don't know how to link to specific responses)
The number at the top right of each post is a hyperlink to said post.
Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:37
#9
Abhorsen: I read the
Abhorsen: I read the response.
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/8958?page=1#comment-48892
His suggestions have been echoed many, many times in different places. Sadly, I didn't think it was all that impressive, considering how he ended it. And worse still, the tone was rather angry and it felt like he wanted to express how much he hated the game.
But yeah, less complaining, more bringing up the controversial topics in a calm, collected manner that at the very least, pays lip service to the words "friendly, civil debate" and "respect" and not childish threats. As often as politely possible.
Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:49
#10
drmchsr0
I agree. 100%. The problem was I couldn't find an argument to refute what he said, which is why I was impressed. Most of the people who complain (read: everyone I've read but him) have been easy to point out obvious logical flaws and come up with counterpoints, but it's true that the best logical solution would be to get people to dungeon more because that's the most obvious CE sink that delivers the least amount of pain. However, given my earlier point that there might just be too much CE floating around, they thought they needed a more drastic sink in addition to this less drastic sink.
I guess that's my counter-argument right there. I was mostly just impressed because it gave me something to think about (brought up something that I hadn't read before).
Although I try to remain a calm manner, it's sometimes difficult after reading so many people echoing the same, often thoughtless, arguments over and over. Especially when the devs really do work hard (even though they might not do the best things for the community all the time). They do try, and while this game is still in its young stages, it's really disheartening to hear the community bash and bash and bash without really any constructive criticism. I know I would be crushed if I had worked hard to balance something I thought needed balancing, only to be cut down mercilessly by the beast I had been trying to appease.
Just another thing to think about, as drmchsr0 pointed out so sagely, people will be much more inclined to listen to reasoned out solutions than those that just come across as angry and hateful.
To incorporate one of those!!
I personally think that many people would be happier if we lowered the CE prices on crafting, and increased crown and material prices instead - this gives people more incentive to dungeon which would act as a CE sink (going into the dungeons) and still make people happy about not paying the CE to craft. So while it eventually evens out to the same thing, it's much more stomachable. This would make even more sense if we allowed people to recraft for just a large amount of mats and a minimal (or zero!) amount of CE.
I know that's been said a bunch of times but I thought I might restate it since Nick said that after things have been said a certain number of times they start to make more sense ;).
And Thanks d0gr0ck and drmchsr0! Two responses that made me relax and think as opposed to react less thoughtfully. :).
Mon, 05/23/2011 - 23:23
#11
"Is it really nessecary to
"Is it really nessecary to complain about the update?"
Yes, or rather it's necessary to criticize the update and any negative criticism is always going to be seen as complaining. I have to agree however that nothing is going to change, and we'll continue working towards a new update. I don't think peoples opinions should be shut out just because they don't offer a counter solution. Prime example: I criticize games and movies in my spare time, I couldn't make a good game or movie if my life depended on it but I can sure as hell spot a bad one when I see it. So constructive criticism is nice, but can't always be expected. Also, it's not being afraid of change but too much change at one time is hard to swallow.
I hope this has helped you get inside the head of someone who isn't thrilled about the new system(and this is a little nitpicky but you spelled necessary wrong).
Yeah, I noticed this. My comment also got deleted there.
Censoring the negative posts from people is the worst thing to do for any company. I just dislike that.