As you all know, the brute jelly set can be bought with tokens but is also draftable. I believe that the ancient plate set should also be craftable the way it used to be (if I remember correctly) to get more people using the set. Since you obtain it at 5* with tokens, to get a uv, you either have to pay a lot for a UV ticket or buy it from someone while paying the unbinding fee of 4k ce. Being draftable would allow players to get a UV 2* and craft it to the 5* with no UV ticket fee or unbinding fee. Also, more people seem to have a UV 2*, making it easier to find a UV one.
ancient plate set
Mon, 11/18/2013 - 05:38
Mon, 11/18/2013 - 09:51
#2
then, is there a easy way to
then, is there a easy way to get uvs for the ancient set without paying tons of cr for uv tickets and tons of ce for unbinding and the buyout price from someone?
Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:21
#3
@Getting UVs on Ancient
I think this is partially why they included the forge prize box - to encourage players to continue heating/leveling their gear. One of the most common items from it is a UV ticket.
I never really understood why that was the only boss type item that you could craft without doing the boss altogether (or someone else and selling to you).
Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:26
#4
so, we should spend ton of
so, we should spend ton of time trying to get a forge prize box ( don't know if it always contains a uv ticket) in hopes that you get the uv that you want, which could end up being low uv? there should be some other easier way to get uvs for the ancient plate set. How, not sure yet.
Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:41
#5
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You also have to remember that even if you do craft something, there is no guarantee that you will get a UV, and even if you did it might not be a good one. Spending the money to Punch and item for a good UV would actually be cheaper than rage crafting an item, hoping to get something good.
Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:45
#6
>there should be some other
>there should be some other easier way to get uvs for the ancient plate set. How, not sure yet.
Simple.
Replace Token reward items with recipes to make the items.
Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:02
#7
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@ Exerpa
Then you would only have to get enough tokens once, after that just craft the piece. There would be no real use for tokens once you already have the recipe. Also, most people sell token rewards to vendors for money, but you can't make a profit vendoring recipes. If you want UVs on your gear, just Punch them.
@OP
Not sure why i didn't mention this before, but why are you only singling out Ancient Plate? There are plenty of other token only armor pieces, as well as weapons that are far more useful than Ancient.
Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:12
#8
Because others have to be
Because others have to be crafted to 5*, there for gaining chances to get uvs bit for the ancient set, you get them at 5* and can't get uvs by crafting.
Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:20
#9
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I consider Ancient Set an entirely aesthetic set for the sole purpose of showing off that you've got experience killing Vanaduke, but that's about it.
It's one of the worst 5* armours you can get. It's got very good Normal defence, but is that really all that useful in T3? Plus its craftable counterparts (Volcanic and Ironmight) outclass it.
Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:51
#10
lmao
A. You seem to think UVs are too hard to get. Well, they're expensive because.. they can be handy. It's pretty much a gamble, you might get what you want but probably not.
B. Why even get a UV on ANY Plate set? I don't mean to be blunt, but they honestly suck - Azure Guardian (Which is also bad) still outclasses them.
C. Why would they bother? Nobody uses it outside of Lockdown, and even there it's rare because.. it's a bad gear choice.
D. It even fails in aesthetics. Most people find it ugly and there's nothing special about killing vanaduke a whole bunch.
Tue, 11/19/2013 - 07:10
#11
@Masterreeve
Won't be able to
@Masterreeve
Won't be able to get free gear to sell to NPC's for tiny or huge profits? Remember it is a privilege, not a right.
The token->recipe system is already implemented for Colosseum rewards, I don't hear people complaining about not getting free gear from King Krogmo. Both Brinks and Krogmo have tradeable materials for tokens these days so to say that there is no use for tokens then is not quite true.
I'm all too familiar with Crafting and Punching BTW, this Punching session was funded by a ASIVH Brandish craft.
Tue, 11/19/2013 - 23:08
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@Exerpa
Krogmo koins can't be compared to boss tokens. They are a bit harder to get and much be stored up in large quantities to get anything form them. Also, if you havent noticed all those players who do PVP all the time store up MASSIVE amounts of tokens, and since all they can use them for is recipes the koins just sit in their inventory collecting dust. So yes, if all you can use them for is recipes then they essentially become useless. The boss tokens are also meant to help knight progress, since you need to do bosses a lot to get money quicker just from the floors themselves. So it would stand to reason that the tokens you get from said bosses are used to get you more money, not just buy recipes.
And i can assure you that if you were rage crafting a spine cone, it would take a lot longer and a lot more money to get that same UV.
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 05:19
#13
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Protip:
Buy Enamorocks with krogmo coins and make 900-1500 cr with each one. Costs 10 coins.
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 10:35
#14
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Nice tip Mushy, but it's kinda irrelevant to the topic
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 12:41
#15
@Master
He was responding to you providing a solution to your little problem/proving you wrong. That seems pretty relevant to me.
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 12:38
#16
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The point of the discussion revolves around making boss token rewards give out gear recipes as opposed to actual gear. It is true that i was talking about Krogmo koins, but only about the weapons like Voltedge and Electron Vortex. Item and materials have no bearing on this discussion.
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 12:48
#17
@Master
If recipes became the reward rather than the item, then Tokens would gather dust because recipes sell for peanuts D:
No me gusta
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 12:56
#18
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The OP was asking for boss tokens to give out recipes instead of gear, because he said it's too hard to get UVs on Ancient Plate otherwise. I was saying that was a bad idea because you then can't sell the rewards to vendors. Exerpa started talking about Koins already having recipes so i pointed out that LD players have a large stockpile of Koins because of this which proves my point that it makes the tokens useless. Mushy started talking about selling enamorocks on AH, which has nothing to do with what we were talking about, other than making money off tokens. Even then 900-1500 cr isn't much of a difference, and if everyone started doing this the AH would be flooded with enamorocks making it hard to sell them.
Also, even if you can sell Enamorocks on AH, it doesn't solve the problem that you can't sell recipes.
EDIT: Misty, that's the point i've been trying to make this whole time...
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 13:00
#19
<insert witty comment here>
I misunderstood then, my apologies
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 13:13
#20
I don't know if this will
I don't know if this will work, how about make the ancient plate reward from boss token into recipes but have the ancient plate recipes sell for 30,000 cr, same as a 5* gear. All the other recipes in the game won,t have their selling price changed.
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 13:24
#21
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... And why, Marksmen, should Ancient Plate get special preference over every other armor in the game?
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 13:44
#22
We can start with this and
We can start with this and them work on the other ones.
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 14:11
#23
gods ain't gonna help you, son.
marksmen, stop. if you extend the 30k selling to recipies, you can:
buy recipe for 25kcr
sell recipe for 30kcr
no "???", instant infinite profit!
I can argue the same on twisted targe, or antigua. the chance of getting an UV is so low that is comparable to getting it from AH. it's useless to do that on any boss item.
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 14:51
#24
How about making all boss
How about making all boss token reward gear except the brute jelly set as a recipie reward? For boss token reward sets that start at 3*, only the 3* recipes will have their price changed, to how much 3* gears can be sold for at a vendor. For boss token reward 2* sets, only the 2* recipes will have their prices changed, to how much 2* gears can be sold for at a vendor. For boss token reward Sets that start at 5*, only the 5* recipes will have their prices changed, to how much 5* gears can be sold at a vendor. This will only apply to boss token reward recipes, and not recipes purchaseable from vendors. Also, the lowest * recipes of the set will only be obtainable with boss tokens and will cost the same number of boss tokens as they do now, but the rest of the recipes of the set will still be available from basil and AH.
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 14:57
#25
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Marksmen, seriously there is no problem with the current system, just leave it as is. All these restrictions and changes would just complicating things even more than they already are, which would just lead to more complaining and more requesting changes; ultimately we would be either left with something similar to the current system to make people happy, or end up with something so misconstrued that the game itself would become unfavorable to play.
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 15:09
#26
gods ain't gonna help you, son.
you really want to ragecraft a 5* item for UVs?
that's just mad. no, really, 7,5kcr (optimal ce price) *8(number of times you need to buy eternals)= 60k, you can roll 3 times with that, or get some actual useful gear instead of that one.
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 16:03
#27
How about making the ancient
How about making the ancient plate set a line of the plate set so that you can ragecraft the 2* and then craft it to the ancient.
Wed, 11/20/2013 - 17:07
#28
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both Ironmight and Volcanic are superior to Ancient, so no one would ever make ancient; the only reason most people get them now is because you can get them for free from boss tokens. And boss rewards are not meant to have recipes in HoH, Brute Jelly is just weirdly special that way.
First, don't double post a thread. I don't know if you did it on accident or on purpose, but just watch out next time.
Second, No one uses Ancient plate, so there would be no real reason to make it craft-able. Ironmight and Volcanic Plate outclass it in most ways, besides the health bonus, and even then all three plate sets are very unpopular. Also, as far as i know Brute Jelly is the only Token gear that can be crafted normally, so in that sense Brute Jelly is the odd one out not Ancient plate. The purpose of token only gear is that a player is required to defeat that boss X number of times to get said gear, making it more valuable and rare than others. If we could craft everything, there wouldn't be any real purpose to tokens.