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Wed, 11/20/2013 - 22:36
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Destroyerofthenort

Look at your guild... now look at me... now look at your guild... now look at me. Obviously, your guild isn't me... heck, if you even thought i might suggest it could be, report to a physician on those cerebral cortices you've got; but it probably has friends like me. Yes, guilds and factions within real worlds may not be a single sentient body, but they still form friends and allies, as is my understanding anywho. So, you have this guild... but... what does it do exactly to ally it? Nothing. War? even more redundant, as any battle you tried to hold would be stormed by other players due to the sheer emptiness of guild LD. So... your relationships can't be official, and can't mean anything. Long have guilds gone untouched, but with the latest economic guild reforms, I figure that they haven't yet simply put them out of their view. That said, let's put out the point to throw this in your head and theirs (since it may still be something they think of). What if i told you YOU COULD have guild relationships... and that they were officially established? Ones that actually yielded benefits for the participating parties? Ones that, maybe, give a bit more role-playing element to the game? and, what's more, that inadvertently add a whole new form of PvP where crap gets real? Well, step right up and i will spill the details to you. Get cozy: this is long.

///>> Basic Concepts (bothered to hold of the lolcontinuitythateveryoneignores) <<\\\
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Let us get started off in our venture of getting to interract with the guilds around us. A new UI button exists now, working title is the SOFL: the spiral order faction listings. Here, one will apply their guild for entrance into the guild diplomacy system. Later, you will be able to use here to view guild standing, or the power which a guild holds in the world of cradle, grown by successful sieges or new alliances and rated on a 100 to -100% scale. using these extremes, you can determine a guild's intentions and notoriety: one being a reknowned benevolent guild, and one being a power hungry guild of conquerors. It shall display any individual guild's allies, and foes; when clicked from the list of any and all guilds registered. This allows people to opt in and out, for when you opt in, you get ALL of it, including lovely little guild sieges from time to time. Opting out will entirely set you as unknown to the world diplomatically. attempting to search will, if fully spelled out, list you as an outsider guild with no clickable info. Note that besides this, as another means of warding out any non-prepared guilds, you MUST have the 300 member upgrade and at least two guild hall upgrades in order to sign up. Signup costs a small amount of materials as well; all to further narrow the numbers actually in to those actually ready to reap the rewards, and face the consequences, of entry.

Now that we've covered signup, and those lovely story links, let's get on to the actual different relations options (and any sub categories). Neutrality leaves one as is now; the two we really want to, and need to, cover are alliances and rivalries

<< Alliances >>
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"the pen is mightier than the sword". The popular saying, when it comes to guild supremacy, may be some of the truest. As allies, you gain many new and unique options in negotiation (i'll cover that later), positive points to guild standing, as well as many alliance perks, such as:
-Shared assets: your guild banks are basically converged debt-wise, you will be able to support them, and them to you; should you not meet your week's payments. Money may be borrowed from another guild annexed by alliance with GM permissions for guild purchases, and guilds will split occupation losses (again, cover it later) to lessen overall burden.
-Combined Military: the two siege weapons (the whole "covered later" thing) are a shared arsenal as long as the alliance is maintained, and if you share foes, you can invite another guild's members to support your fight
-Publicly Lock Hall Access: guild locking options are extended to "lock to public" and "lock to allies". Any guild hall locked to public is still accessible to allies.

This makes your alliances something much more meaningful... more real... and, as such, more precious. You must be selective; wouldn't want to give this out to just anyone... but of course, you can't be friends with just anyone anywho. Yes, we now come to those who you don't see eye to eye with. that special solution to just about all clashes of factions.

<< War >>
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"Great empires are not maintained by timidity." These words of Tacitus do apply here. Man shall always partake in it, and now, your knights as well do. War... the foundation for truly maintaining order for some, and the final word in deciding who is right in a political standoff. When first declared, war shall not be announced by default, rather, only if you select that it be announced... if not announced, the foe will not know, nor be able to launch an attack until you do without declaring it themselves. But wether this is so or not, once it is initiated, a GM or GM approved general may launch attacks. Unlike allies, this is a bit lengthy, so i will break it into sections

==> Guild Hall Upgrades:
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In the words of Aesop: "Against danger it pays to be prepared". Guild hall upgrades are what shall be the first line of defense against your foe. These change the field of battle to potentially tip it in your favor, and make the assault less a matter of latency, more one of who came ready for the party. These effect battle gameplay in your guild during sieges with defenses, offensive structures, and troop upgrades. None have repair costs, and they are independent of upkeep, but each does have a one-time cost to set up, and then a smaller cost to upgrade (they also must be set up by a GM). these costs are low in relative to the consideration that purchases expend guild bank, and a neccesary expenditure to stand a chance. Purchases available are:
-Walls=the most basic steps in defense, these must be purchased, and provide a base wall when such is done.
*Upgradeable (any up to 3) with: Girthy (more health), Twin barricade (two is better than one), Silly climbing k-nig-ths (must be broken, not scaled), Steel Plating (Resists chemical and heat based siege weaponry. Shrugs off mist bombs utterly), Crenelled (Add crenelations gunners can shoot from without getting hit. bombers may also drop bombs from here), Impenetrable (Increases physical resistance, lessening siege weaponry that relies on that's damage. Will also ward off blast bomb damage entirely), Shields up (Projects an energy shield over the walls which can be broken only by knight weaponry and regenerates 1 minute after being down)
-Offensive Setups=the support to ensure your knights aren't in it alone. There is no base unit, but the ability to build these must be purchased
*Upgradeable (any up to 3) with: Autoturrets (Railgun turrets. Cannot be destroyed, and can hit multiple foes many times, but slow load time. Hackable.), Hacked Rocket Puppies (Spawn as T2 variants in a triad. Hold T3 damage values and a stronger fire than normal, and cover an area of effect, but can be destroyed. Hackable (but resistant)), Mounted autogun (5*. Pepperbox or Blitz. Bottomless clip, unhackable, and has bullet spread, but MUST be human manned.), Gremlin mercenaries (Add a full team of emberlight mercenaries to the field; with 2 menders, 5 thwackers, 8 Knockers, and 2 ghostmanes or mortafires (randomized). Menders may heal players on allied team, and invaluable to any field for more numbers, but respawn slowly, and cost more than turrets), Courtyard trojans (Adds 3 T2 trojans to the field. Incredibly powerful support, and great to drive attention, but respawn even slower than gremlins.), War wolvers (adds 6 cages of rabid wolvers. Fast moving support, provides poison, cheaper than turrets, and will only attack when let free, but will not respawn at all in the same siege. Can occasionally go rampant (attack all while in rampancy indiscriminantly)), Murder holes (Will cause oil to be poured and lit ablaze as the foe approaches the wall as well as doing some instant damage with the projectile's collision. Cheaper than turrets, and act on detection of range, but need a 5 second cooldown between drops. Hackable), Ranger patrols (Will send a team of 8 npc rangers of all combat styles to patrol the base. Perform like ghostmanes, and may be armed with a variety of weapons (at least one for each damage type will be held by the team at any given time). Higher defence than gremlins, and have a better AI, but will not respawn during the siege), and Pest problems (grave scarabs shall constantly spawn around the base in reams of 20. Can easily overwhelm foes with their retained T3 damage values, and come in large numbers which regrow fast, but cost as much as trojans and die quicker than clockworks ones)
-Playing Field=these alter the very ground you fight upon. This is by default a flat plain. Does not add anything untill upgrade, but upgrade rights must be bought
*Upgradeable (any up to 2) with: Wild Goose Chase (A maze which shifts each time it is played upon), Minefield (will randomly place mines across the field disguised as normal tiles), Recyclers (creates randomized arrays of status pads based on foe's average weakness), Moat (forms a surrounding hole across which a bridge must be built (using pieces scattered near the site to set up) for foes to cross.), Get to cover! (adds cover points to the field. These will allow knights behind them to be invisible to all on the other side, and block bullets from harming knights in cover), They said i couldn't build a GH in the swamp... (creates more uneven terrain, to an extent normally making building unsafe, that makes navigation take longer due to sloping and barriers), Unknown Terrain (makes the radar of the foes blurred)
-Field Perks=uniquely, these do not need purchasing rights, nor do they add to the base, these directly affect soldiers and apply to all sieges, at home or away.
*Upgradeable (any 1) with: Zerg Rush (Faster respawning), A good smithy (powers all equipment to the fullest of it's ability, star-level wise, in sieges. Any levels not present or already upgraded translate into a damage bonus: low, which stacks up to very high (counting existing boosts, which will affect it as well (nope, chaos cloak will not leave you with any higher damage than a full 5* cobalt this time)), Down but not out (First death will revive you automatically at 1/2 health), Shadow Dwellers (Hidden on spawn until you first attack. Applies to respawns), Hardened (Increases speed and health), Standardize (Set a standard equipment set from within the selector's inventory to apply to all soldiers on the field), Adv. life support (Regenerate passively out of combat), Campers (Can attack with guns from cover (does break cloak to do), and gain cover-based resistances to swords and bombs), Double Agents (Foes appear on radar unless concealed), Martyrdom (drops a charged nitronome on death)

==> Machines of war:
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A good offense is a great defense. So, if you have good defense, then a good offense only makes sense to set you up as a powerful force to be reckoned with. No, not those ones you can just run about with, no... we need those big, lumbering sorts of offensive tools that you've probably heard of if your history class curriculum even remotely covered time before 1600. We're going to need siege weaponry to lay waste and redundancy to those pitiful defenses your foes imagine to be all that matters. Slightly adapted to the time period, these weapons generally fall into 3 categories
-Artillery: Long range, more out of reach, covers more surface area and therefore may hit twice, and can even affect knights caught in the blast, but less mobile and has a longer cooldown
-Rams: Piston driven variants on the middle age originals. Much faster than artillery, and has more concentrated damage, but requires it to get in easy reach of bombs and blades, moves slow, and cannot damage knights.
-Leverage: No need to actually hit anything (therefore much faster), but has an upgrade to entirely negate it from the equation, must move directly against the wall (though faster than rams), and knights going up can be attacked
Each (the exception being ladders) has 2 different variants: a physical damage variant, and a chemical damage variant. Each has a time to shine, and both should be in your arsenal, but each can be resisted, so be careful when deploying.
All are crafted using 4 5*, 8 4*, 32 3*, and 64 2* mats (exact mats undecided) within an amero-style crafting menu in the guild hall available to generals and GMs. No monetary craft cost is present. NOTE: Bombers, it is your lucky day, for you too can actually damage walls, albeit less than siege weapons. What's more, most bombs cannot be resisted. Though, again, significantly lower values mean you still want some of these on hand, even if you are some massive bomber guild

==> New mechanics:
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I believe i mentioned these briefly. Two new mechanics shall (preferably) be implemented to make this possible, but only within this environment
Hacking-Hold down a shift+h to begin hacking a device. Depending on the device, this may take long or it may be almost instant. Only devices which are robotic and unprotected may be hacked.
Cover-Cover will spawn if selected as part of the battlefield setup. To use cover, press shield, and get behind it. you will be merged to the cover piece until you shield again to cancel it.

==> The art of war:
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Now that you've got your big guns at ready, you should probably get to work make that not so for the enemy. If one is a designated general or a guild master, then they may direct an attack. they may perform one of 2 attacks
-Raid=the less organized form of attack, but may be all you need to make your foe know you are not to be trifled with. This will allow you to ambush parties in the clockworks. The general or GM whom selected it shall pick 3 other members, and all shall get a cloak and spawn at a random, unexplored area of the level. Your side may not respawn, however, the foe may do it one time while you are attacking (able to do it again once you leave). The battle goes on until loone still stands. Sparks, or revs used in the attack are paid for by the guild using the former energy exchange rate average of 7.5k per 100 as a baseline; and successful attacks will allow the attackers to gain some negative notoriety as well as add a duplicate of the level's profits to the guild hall (which includes crowns, as well as mats up to 3*). Lower profit than the siege, and a smaller blow; but lower stakes, and therefore more recommendable overall if you just want to get over that you mean business.
-Siege=the single, final word in these wars and the largest battles indeed in all of SK. A general orders these, and subsequently shall bring up to 35 other of his guild members (anything being done shall be resumed after resolution of conflict from last party button (to total 36)) to prepare for a march on the guild hall. Troops are divided into 4 teams of 8 and 1 team of 4 (this team holding the general). All spawn in the camp to discuss any before battle chat (where the 4 shall continue to wait longer until time comes to attack for them later unless they switch to spectator mode until), and await the foe's preparation; for the guild master, general, or one of the highest ranking members on at that time (in that order), shall be recalled to the hall to rally troops (same protocol as last if something is in progress for them) to it's defence, who share team sizes with the other side and gather in the hall's center (where the team of 4 with the leader shall, again, await their time if needed unless spectating). Once this is done and both sides declare they are ready, the game starts. The 4 teams of 8 shall each be distributed among 4 different maps that are, in essence, single point LD maps.... only, no classes, no takebacks. Taking a point claims the defences breached and sends all the players in that map back to their prior action... as they must be to take the point: the walls must be broken through or traversed with siege equipment, or bombs. They have 5 minutes to accomplish this or the invasion shall be declared successfully repelled. No scores or damage values are kept, only the breaches matter. Each wall's defenses act as a map of their own, to minimize lag; and are entirely independent. The results that are kept (the captures) do however chart to the same board... and this board can be viewed by the team captains in the upper left of the screen. And they'd best do such, for if all 4 teams do not succeed in capturing their point, the siege shall be declared repelled in it's entirety. Should the team succeed in breaching the walls, however, the attacker will move his remaining 4 toward the inside of the guild hall and fight those inside in a last stand attack. They must defend their guild console from hacking (a 15 second process) in order to save the hall, and have 3 minutes until they attain true victory at this. No matter what happens, should the victor be the defenders, then all shall remain normal; but if the the attackers win, they gain 3 options:
1. Occupy the hall, adding a 15% increase to the hall's weekly upkeep which feeds directly into your guild's bank. NOTE: The guild may attempt to lift your occupation, decided in a 2 minute 4v4 fight in the central hall by similar troop adding procedure to the initial siege, and that once lifted, you may not launch another for 24 hours.
2. Immediately Take 30% of the treasury (capped at 25k) and distribute among the attackers.
3. Immediately Take 30% of the treasury (capped at 25k) and send to your guild treasury.
Any destroyed siege equipment returns 1/2 of the craft cost mats involved to the winning side, and any destroyed defenses are automatically repaired.

I believe that covers all things war... but we forgot one thing vital to this... negotiation!

<< Negotiation >>
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The basis of this update at heart. Anything that doesn't occur with the "declare war" button happens here. Negotiation gives many options to allow one to grow guild economy, request allied relations be altered, and even end wars. Some are restricted to different relation standings, but a few are indifferent. Any given set can be stacked to negotiate with multiple terms at once. Do note that alliances may freely be liquidated and trade freely canceled any time without consent. To list all available terms:

==> Allies:
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- Request alliance be formed with another guild, request an attack on another guild, request ceasefire with other guild request negotiation with other guild, blackmail with alliance (will liquidate alliance automatically if request is denied), request removal of other ally

==> Enemies:
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-Declare ceasefire, lift occupation (if one is held (occupation removed and no renewal of attack allowed for 14 hours for sending guild if deal is accepted)), become protectorate, demand payment

==> Neutral:
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-Request alliance

==> Neutral + Ally:
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-Establish trade (utilizes a "wishlist system" to exchange wanted items between guilds daily (any wishlist stating money will only exchange 100)), one-time trade (same as establish trade, but one time only), Request aid lifting occupation (can be direct or indirect. Terms agreed will fulfill once the occupation is lifted if the one given this term attempted to aid in some matter.)

==> All:
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-Send a gift (disallows terms in return, but other party can accept or deny it. acceptance gives a minor level of positive notoriety. Use this to build relations with reasonable guilds, or to show an ally you care. Goes to the GM inventory if he directly accepts it. (caps at 1k, and draws from guild bank))

Well, that closes up diplomacy, and just aout all the bells and whistles of this suggestion. Like it, do leave a note to get it noticed, and tell me if anything appears wrong (do detail the issue if seen)

Wed, 11/20/2013 - 23:15
#1
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
:| ... just no... please...

I recommend you a game called the WAR II: dawn of nations. You will like it, it is the same as what you described. Alliances and diplomacy and so on. But I hate to rain on your parade, but SK is meant to be an easy and fun game (friendly), noone in this game with the right mind would dive themselves into a extensive system like this. And even if they did, it will just strengthen the hatred between players, I can imagine a guild war between Jempire and 21, a massive guild war that will drive the CE price over 20K and people will be so thrown into this. Thousands of crowns been wasted on meaningless defenses.

But once a guild lost, they will probably quit the game, imagine investing on an entire army/securities with all your savings but all to be blown away by the Jempire mauraders (their invincible Armada). Player quit, no more war, not everyone is as war like as you (thank god). And also, hosting massive PvP will drive the server to its limit, it is already laggy as hell on 4 Vs. 4 in LD.

These things just complicates everything, guild are meant to be easily managed. All these mumble jumbos are meaningless and ultimately complicates everything, if a guild has a bone to pick with another guild, they can always settle it with a LD GvG, simple, may the best guild wins. The negotiation system also means the big guilds can bully smaller guilds for protection money(if you don't gimme the money, I will attack you). this will further drive people to quitting the game, many have already left, this system will only make it worse. And even if someone in OOO actually thought this is a good idea, it will still take years to develop, you will probably have already left SK before this total war thing even happened. And trust neither would I, nothing lasts forever. Even Jempire will one day fall, I can imagine one of their high command(who is a spy for 21) decides to rob the guild treasury of all the money and Jempire falls after a combined attack from some smaller guilds. Jemperor will be hanged in the street of Haven next to a statue of Drakcub, what a way to go :/

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 01:30
#2
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Destroyerofthenort
To be clear

1. ce prices. At what point... was CE mentioned... beyond one time stating a fixed, unfaltering old average? Never was the term used, at no point does ce get involved, and unless i've missed something i wrote, ce will entirely give my idea the skip. Know you were getting onto something... but still...

2. army costs, defenses blown away, lag on pvp, small guilds getting bullied... did I need to bolden and italicize those text points where i addressed these? I honestly didn't see how these weren't self-formed conclusions... if it is of no offense to you. Armies cost no more to maintain then players themselves pay to get equipment. Unless you are a proto guild, there shouldn't be some big cost there. Lag is given the skip by making it 5 different games, rather than one single PvP match (essentially, the ONLY link is a scoreboard). Defenses are entirely passive once set up and can be entirely ignored: they will never be destroyed permanently, need no repair, cost nothing to restore, and only exist at all within a battle map. they are basically not there unless you need them. Small guilds are omitted... 300 should never be considered a small guild by any stretch of the mind.

3. Warlike... just because i want guilds to actually interract rather than be an extended friend list... should mean i am Ares...running about blade in hand, plotting to prematurely decapitate fetuses, clearly. The only reason alliances are listed with such a small section is because almost nothing else could be added. Knowing my guild, i would never even see most of those bits in action... and no, i've not once changed my guild or thought of it. This is for the idea as a whole of guilds interracting... acknowledging that, do pay mind to the entire post as opposed to the section with the most words. It is just as important toward making this something I actually want. I want roleplay bits, something that makes me feel more in the game, not just war. If i wanted that, i would simply play halo, or rome total war.

4. I do agree that guild management simplicity is vital to making it appealing in practice... but our guilds should also not lack meaning, purpose... and I have tried, actually, to make it simple... the fact that just about everything i write is long-drawn (to sound, you know, presentable rather than like a text message) is part of it, but you could write all of the main points of this down in summary... on a single side of a piece of paper, maybe less. And no, that is not in 1/4th cm scale writing, either... you could do it in bold, 1/2 inch, sloppy writing on a piece of unruled printer paper and get it all down to it's bones. If you would wish to help in refining the idea with constructive criticisms that point toward ways of making it more simple, or that aim at big flaws, feel free. but i would wish it that my point which i have worked long to shell out not be shot down by the fact that it takes some time to really read.

5.The goal is to introduce a roleplay element, and be it abused or not, it will lead to establish some personality to those lovely little technicolor figures which dance about your screen. I never denied that a guild could easily ignore that roleplay bit altogether. But eventually, you get this one guild yanking on everyone's chain without provocation, they are going to get blown to bits eventually. maybe sequentially, maybe all at once. It corrects itself, and for those that don't abuse it, it makes those little things we call "friends" mean more than "a guild who is nice and shares our thoughts" and "guild wars" mean a lot more than "a lagtacular LD match ruled by skolver-strikers." It is not here to breed hate, not even just for the war aspect at all. It is here to bring SK players to be more involved, more immersed, closer to the guild and players rather than further. Meaningless as they may be in concept, they are in practice intended to be immersive and, therefore, gameplay improving.

If you still feel opposed to the thought, I can't exactly change your opinion, and am plenty fine with the note that not everyone likes what I do or the thoughts i have... but I don't sit through writing these just to see the purpose of it's creation ignored, or points missed (yes, i do bother writing this drawn out hoping that every last period and comma is viewed... not that I could change the way i write, it can't be helped) And I do know it can be flawed, it WILL be flawed. if I sat around and, on my own, worked to make it any more perfect; i would have lost more than the hours already spent in it's creation. Not that anyone quite gets it, but I am trying to actually make these what people want by allowing people to show me the problems, add on, change it. Noone really seems to do that though, only really viewing it in it's existing form rather than showing me it's issues i may have overlooked... so i'm not sure why I even try... I just do.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 01:55
#3
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The-Vindicar
Just in case OP missed that...

Well, Midnight-DJ sniped it. Also, all Knights are of the same Order. They are stranded and want to return home. Any hostility towards each other would be a treason. So any actual guild war makes absolutely no sense.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 04:23
#4
Mayaura's picture
Mayaura
uh, wow

This might be a really interesting game. I say "might be" because it's bascially impossible to understand what you are trying to describe. I think it's partly your writing style but mainly the complexity. It looks like an entirely new (or already exisiting) game, but not Spiral Knights.

You might want to take another whack at it if you think you can describe it more simply and clearly, and explain how it would fit into the existing mechanics of the game.

It won't help to rage at me for not reading or understanding it. I tried, but you're going to have to find a way to make yourself more understood.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 15:25
#5
Destroyerofthenort's picture
Destroyerofthenort
Replies: (Simpler) take 2, coming up.

@The Vindicar
while the knights are in the same order, it isn't like we are talking "death to the order". This is a simple prospect viewing the different guilds as different interest groups within the order (hence guild). And open a newspaper, read a novel: civil conflicts happen all the time. throughout history people have killed over political ideals. Though, i didn't exactly throw the greatest concentration of the posts effort into direct story linkage (about 2 sentences in the post cover it), it is a simple premise to get down. It's not like the guilds are the controlling bodies of the order :P

@Mawashimono
I am quite fine with your statement of it, for you at no point conflicted my prior statements with any false citations and were clear in saying the problem you'd found. I wanted to hear well thought out replies that actually helped toward the idea. You have made a real point in stating the complexity of the post (I figured it may be hard to follow after reading that much negative drive toward the post which pointed out problems that i jumped through hoops to fix, entirely ignored...) and lack of direction that seemed to show it's fit into SK. That, mind you, rather than simply calling the idea poorly thought out and a cash dump. I can appreciate criticism of the idea or layout to round out the idea, or that presents real cause to reason why it shouldn't be kept; just not dismissive, blind criticism or conclusions that are self-formed... the OP did read "tell me if anything appears wrong" after all. Helpful and educated comments are the ones writers, thinkers, and generally anyone who puts thought into something will all appreciate, and i like more direct points that imply that you tried at least. (I couldn't infer anything else other than a blatant raging "no" to the earlier post i had responded to, which conflicted all of my points as if i had stated explicitly that the problems would be present and had no counter, rather than just coming out and saying "I don't get ___" or "i worry about ___". I drew nothing from that).

That said, having physically heard there to be issues actually reading through it, I will try rewriting it in the condensed format i have said it could be, while also being more clear on it's place in the game, and the intended roles; how it will fit into game mechanics, and so on. All rounded out with some lovely but simple visuals. Once done, i'll post that here after i get a more restricted group (specifically, some of my guildmates) to check it for being easily read and grasped. I appreciate your input.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:09
#6
Leekcoco's picture
Leekcoco

You've lost me by the first point already. I'd love to have more benefits of being in a guild built into the game aside from guild LD and having people to talk to, but this is too over the top. I'm resigning as a GM if I had to think about organising a war faction, not here for this. .______.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:17
#7
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

Haha, a lot of what you wrote about was why players wanted the guild hall update to begin with.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 22:44
#8
Mayaura's picture
Mayaura
A one or two sentence summary might be a good start.

For example, the game wiki describes Lockdown like this:

Lockdown is a PvP arena in King Krogmo's Coliseum where Knights battle for domination of control points while eliminating their opponents by standard means: Swords, Bombs, and Guns.

We might describe Spiral Knights like this:

Spiral Knights is an adventure game that allows you to choose and craft increasingly more powerful gear and exciting looks while going on mission where you battle monsters and collect treasure in a world of multiple rotating levels.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 23:56
#9
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
^

Yep, so please, leave the game the way it is supposed to be, if you want to play a RTS-MMO-RPG, you should just try war two:dawn of nations or golden age. These two games fit the catagory. And like I said the system is way to complicated to be implemented in the first place(and OOO is currently working on a gunner update, god knows how long it will take). And no, no one is going to read your entire first post, why? Well, we don't have time for that, study the game a little further before making suggestion as big as this one. For now, you can suggest advanced branching dialouge with NPCs and more indepth to the SK lore and things such as that.

Guilds do interact with each other, it is just that you can't see it. My guild is actually ally with the Jempire (even though I hate jemps, but I do have to admitt that Krabob is a sexy beast. (don't know why, I guess he just is...)) And as for Role play elements, well, if you are Mawashimono, you will probably be wearing a golden dragon scale helm and a radiant silver mail(whith god knows how many attachments on it), she titles herself as the dragon princess. So yeah, she is the one and only "dragon princess". And as for me, I have a few costumes of my own,a fallen dragon courtesan, a valkyrie maid, a bomber tomboy, a female veteran recon ranger, a quick silver, and a lizard princess. So yeah, I do have a few personas of my own, the role play element of this game can be attained quite easily through changing your sotumes. Try out combinations and see which one fits you. And one day, you might just end up on Mawashimono's thread.

Fri, 11/22/2013 - 00:59
#10
Tiraen's picture
Tiraen
*cough cough*

\me raises hand
I read it all the way through, thank you. These kinds of ideas always interest me, even if they aren't likely to be implemented. The very fact that someone is willing to come up with the idea is fun and enjoyable in and of itself. No need for "go to a different game bro, leave SK as it is, herp a derp". That's just rude and its shutting you out from an interesting and well thought out concept.

Granted, I may be slightly biased what with knowing Destroyer for a long time and being in his guild, but even with guildies' works I tend to try and be critical. It jus so happens that a lot of Destroyer's works to right along with my way of thinking.

Oh, and we have alliances as well. Elfen Lied, Divine Assassins, and a couple others. It's not as if we have no allies, but I can see what he is saying when the question is almost silently raised, "What do alliances do for us in SK right now". With this war,rts, style mini-game/alternated game play setting he has suggested, it opens up more use for alliances. Friendships would grow between guilds, rather than most people (not all, mind you, I never said all) just associated with their own guildies.

Eh. Just my two crowns.

#firsttimeposter

Fri, 11/22/2013 - 01:37
#11
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Mayaura
What are these alliances you speak of?

I've been approaced several times about forming an alliance with another guild, but I could never see how it woud be done.

Too bad there isn't an "Allied Guild" list akin to a friends list.

I'll suggest it now.

Fri, 11/22/2013 - 05:28
#12
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Mushy-Bucket
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Seems like an original idea, the problem is it would make hostilities, guilds would fall entirely, ce would be jacked up super high, and.. oh yeah, the Jemps would, like it was already said, wipe guilds off the map and never take a hit.

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