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just curious, and i mean ppl with skill,not the ones with the most dmg all the time
best players in t2?
I was the best some months ago, when I used to play T2. Now I don't know the T2 comunity, but Klipik isn't bad.
Tier 2 lockdown is not a different game from tier 3 lockdown.
All good tier 3 players do just as good in tier 2.
@Krakob:
How dare you. It's not questionable, Pony is the best of everything.
"Tier 2 lockdown is not a different game from tier 3 lockdown.
All good tier 3 players do just as good in tier 2."
Well that gave me a good chuckle :P
@their:
well,i am worse in T2 than in T3
T2's a different style of LD, but it doesn't mean T3 strategies don't translate over to T2. If you're good at what you do in T3, chances are you can do it in T2 with little to nothing lost in translation.
i vote rock jelly to be best t2 ever
"i mean ppl with skill,not the ones with the most dmg all the time"
How do you tell the difference?
There's really no way to measure skill in Lockdown except by looking at average performance in games. Caps and defends depend heavily on how capable the opponent is at capping (can't cap what is yours, can't defend what is not yours). Damage, sadly, is the most reliable way to measure performance since a good damage dealer will always get more damage compared to the rest.
Then you have to decide if a good damage dealer is good mainly because of skill or because of some other factor. Especially in fast-paced striker dominated matches, even a slight edge in a non-skill factor can swing damage collection to your favor.
I'm going to say there's a large group of people who are equally skilled in terms of their predicting abilities, adaptability, and reaction time. However, those that shine are the ones with slightly better non-skill factors.
There are more "pros" in T2 than in T3 because the extra factors play less of a role.
A nice test of skill would be two guardians with the same armor, gun, sword, and bomb, and neither is allowed to use shield (and therefore no shield cancel). This will mitigate the effect of non-skill factors and the victor is more likely to be more skilled.
Bullpig Danielflame Biccboi Offense armor Cryptikaa Forest Dragon Planet Devastation Xdestroyer Mrunleash Kiplik Deala Lockdosn Sworsie Thelkiam Eno Chosei Jayzio and many others who I can't remember.
T2 is fundamentally different from T3 in two ways. One, everything takes more hits to kill. Two, there is less variety -- guns and bombs are less effective. So, yes -- T2 tends to favor dusker swordsmen over gunners, and rocket hammer is OPAF.
In my short time back, I've only noticed two names that really stand out to me as great, versatile players. Prolyphic and Not-The-Same.
@Auto: what i mean with skill is ppl using their toothpicks/sealed swords/guns well. somebody who juste spams his hammer the whole time isn't necessarily 'skilled'. Two guardians,who can't use their shield? that would be like the PVP before LD, super brawl (i think that is the name)
@sirius:ummm………..?
@encross: yes i have also noticed prolyphic before, he is damn good
Want a team dropped with little hesitation? Nott, blueflood, and skybrandon are the names to call upon. Only one of which are playing too much anymore.
There was also a tempered calibur user that might as well have been name solaire because he beat many strike-clones every time with only a blade in hand to my knowledge. But I dun even remember their name
Don't you think it's weird how you wish to distinguish the "skilled" from the what I like to call "damage hoarders" when damage is the only way practical way to measure how skilled someone is?
The reason for my ideal "skill match" is to show that a true measure of skill is very hard to achieve in Lockdown. Saying one person who got lots of damage is less skilled than another person who got lots of damage requires assumptions that are based on opinion. Have you noticed that all the names being listed are people who consistently perform well in T2 Lockdown, but hardly any explanations were given about their movements/strategies that supports superiority in skill?
Suppose two people, X and Y, perform equally well in Lockdown matches. Even assume they use 100% identical loadouts and use the same class.
1) Person X plays on a $1000 gaming laptop with 2G dedicated graphics. Person Y plays on a 8 year old general-purpose laptop with just over the minimum requirements needed to run SK and no dedicated graphics.
2) Person X has a fiber-optics connection and the server is located 100 miles away. Person Y has a cheap cable connection to the server located 800 miles away. He/she often has to use wifi because family members need the internet as well.
3) Person X uses a high sensitivity gaming mouse and a game pad. Person Y uses a crusty touchpad and keyboard.
4) Person X has being playing Lockdown for a year. Person Y started playing Lockdown a couple months ago.
Person Y is clearly more skilled than person X given all of the extra information. However, any person who played with each in the past two weeks would say they are equally skilled.
So your question boils down to "Which T2 Lockdown player(s) do you admire most?"
In reference to what Auto said, I believe that skill is how good someone helps their team and how well that someone does their role.
Of course, I have to give my "Best Player of T2 Award" to Elandyr. Totally not because he is in my guild. Well, partially.
In terms of strategy, Elan typically does a delaying role. Elan can take on a whole team with a toothpick and his iceburst, and he averages over 6k on his worst games.
Case closed for me.
She's absolutely deadly. Not-the-same has been mentionned, he's a tough one too.
Lastly, my dear Spring-at-peace. SHe is quite active in T2, and is a great player with good footwork, and a variety of different loadouts.
@Tehepicwin Well its no surprise to me that you would pick your own fellow brick squad member. However I disagreed when you said Elandyr was best t2 award for delaying role. I'm guessing you haven't seen spamlet. Dont get me wrong Elandyr is an okay player I just dont think he would be able to handle 6 professional players (people with uvs and hammer). But still Spamlet is the best at delaying role so far that I've seen.
Spamlet hardly plays anymore.... I don't even understand how he got to high leaderboards. I could easily beat him. Well I hardly fought him. Only once.
Right he doesn't play anymore. But his achievements and skill are like no other.
I knew spamlet's main, hamlet. Just saying that spamlet isn't the main character.
I'm surprised no one mentioned Contri as the best T2 player yet.
I used to think Contri was some rude little kid hanging around Feller most of the time back when he played T2 and I did not know the Truth of Contrism.
When you see Contri in a T2 LD match, just leave that game. I wont blame you for being a coward.
I don't think that all of them
*cough <<<<<<< *cough
And Coolspider man of course. (No seriously fight that guy and he will derail your self-esteem.)
And no. There is a person named lockdosn Sworsie who completely pwns *facepalm
Tt-Ham.
He looks stock, but his guns will devestate you. I see the next dutch-oven right there.
Well, it's hard to say since that everyone who's labeled as a "pro" in T2 LD could have a lot of ASI usages in their hands, a good GC, and good latency. Though, have to say one person that pops up in my mind is pretty much Il-RCS-Il since he tends to have almost no ASI at all (striker shield gives the med asi boost, yet that's it), an average latency (2-4 bars), a bit more than average GC, and tends to switch between AT and no AT depending if a try hard or not (he doesn't try much unless total carry). Also, that he could get a very good overall score for 80% of the time.
i usually gun but i do use heavy weps in gunner armor with no asi, people call me spammer and i just think "spam?heavy weps? noasi? imposssiiiibleeee!" XD
I for one would like to see these 'professionals' do something that sounds improbable, but not impossible, even just once.
In a one versus five situation (let's assume the Pro's team is a bunch of newbie Cobalts, getting stomped by the sixth person from the opposition, and the professional being the one lone ranger) take down an entire mob in a single life. The catch? The single person has only a Flourish, while the opposition has Unstable Lazy HATmmers and Kiddie-wATtt Pulsars. All of which are being used in such a way that would make Jempire cry tears of joy. And be able to live to capture the point before the mob respawns and beats them down anyway, because Tier 2 has devolved into "no fun allowed; the game".
I bet you any amount of CE that even with Auto Target and ASI, that won't be an easy task. Not bagging on the skill level of any of the mentioned players. I'm sure they're great at what they do. But individual skill alone isn't enough anymore.
Last month on January 16th, in a 2v4 match, specifically one where 1 teammate got DC'd and the other followed suite by raging, he had total carried the team, leaving him the victor at the end of a match one time in frostbite along with his teammate. Used TSB (lvl 9 slime low)/SF (lvl 10), dusker set (cap med pierce, coat med elem), and 2 3* trinks for the switch-out load-out during the match. Too bad they didn't think of try capping other than 2, which he held off pretty well in, dying only about 3 times or so...
Opposite team had a brute jelly hammer user (along with Super Blaster and Nightblade), 1 2* cobalt user (calibur/Snarble barb 2*), and 2 duskers, one with 2* Blaster, one with TSB, and both had Nightblade. His teammate was a 2* cobalt and magic cloak with brandish and super blaster. He told me he had to get a break of SK for about 10 minutes or so after that match.
Final results were:
Team 1:
Il-RCS-Il = 6 caps, 3 defends, 16793 dmg, score 507, 560 payout, +100 RP
Angles-Revenge = 2 caps, 0 defends, 440 dmg, score 507, 560 payout, +100 RP
Team 2:
Tintinjokes (2* colbalt)= 4 caps, 0 defends, 521 dmg, score 372, 0 payout, + 74 RP
No-Glory-King (BJ with hammer) = 4 caps, 0 defends, 2038 dmg, score 372, 0 payout, +74 RP
All-Righn (dusker with TSB) = 0 caps, 1 defend, 1477 dmg, score 372, 0 payout, +74 RP
Maethros (dusker with 2* Blaster) = 6 caps, 0 defends, 1853 dmg, score 372, 0 payout, +74 RP
Left:
(1) The-Gunt-Rebel = 0 caps, 0 defends, 642 dmg, score 507, 0 payout, --
(1) Dancing-Cupcake = 0 caps, 0 defends, 127 dmg, score 507, 0 payout, --
So yeah, if he can be a tough carrier in a situation, he can be possibly be one of the top players in current or even the whole time of T2 LD. Feel terrible of bragging about this, though it did actually happen. Watched the whole game myself when this happened and he took a screenshot during then and still has it to remind me not to underestimate him too much. xD
Though currently, he's tending to switch alot between weapons to use, so he might carry a kilo, or a hammer, or any 2/3* equip. He tends to be not noticed as much and ignores getting into guilds, since he says how he likes to be the hidden underdog anyways.
@ Terrty Yeah I dislike how people call spam, at, etc, when either they don't even know how the game revolves, being hypocritical, or just very stubborn to only you while one or more of their teammates does some exact stuff likewise. Heck, I don't want to call 'em foolish, yet they are some people who still say that stuff today in LD. I call it total bogus.
Klipik's pretty good.