Is it still possible to solo now that all these changes have taken place. I used to solo quite a lot of FSC when most of my friends and guild quit playing. Are there any knights out there still soloing? Is elite mode worth doing if you solo? I don't mind playing with others but I prefer to play alone if I don't know the people I am playing with. I was coming back this November but as the gunner update moved to January, I'll wait a bit longer.
Serious Question From Someone Who Hasn't Played In Ages
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:33
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:02
#2
<insert witty comment here>
^ That means a lot more walking around in Floor 2 of FSC for all your loot
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:10
#3
thanks for the replies
But wont that be an even bigger pain on floors like d25 where we all split off. So now we have to clear the rooms on one side then have to run to the other side and collect all the loot. So if for example I finish the right side and then run over to the left and they are slow I need to clear those rooms and then run to their completed rooms and collect the dropped loot there. Then have to run to centre and collect all dropped loot there as well? It is more tedious.
Can we res normally or has that changed as well. I know we each get a free res per level if we die once. But these new spark things are the only way to res someone now?
I can see the reason why 000 did this, so it becomes a pain multiboxing.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:16
#4
I make you black, bluue and red all over
Comparing the game to about 6 months-1 year ago, it has definitely gotten easier. Many monsters have gotten nerfs ands weapons/armor gotten buffs, making everything die faster. Even on elite, it isn't much of a difference other than monsters take 1-2 extra hits to kill. So yes, i would say that soloing is possible now still.
EDIT: yes, we use sparks of life to revive now, but if you run out of sparks you have the choice to spend 50 energy to rev as well.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:21
#5
This new elite mode. If I
This new elite mode. If I were to do fsc solo every level including the boss (dont include tokens) what is the payout. Does anyone have accurate figures. I presume the normal mode is the same as before 6500-7500cr.
Edit: how many sparks do you get per level? And I noticed people selling some forge thing? Is that some new item we need to craft with now. And will my 10k+ of each minerals come in handy. Note I haven't got a pet yet.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:20
#6
<insert witty comment here>
Elite FSC gets about 7.5k-9k
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:22
#7
yes, still solo; revive with sparks
Yes, you can still solo. Depth 25 of FSC takes no longer to solo now than it always has, because you've always had to collect all of the loot yourself, when you're solo. But depth 25 does take longer to do in a party, than it used to.
As you know, you get one free revive per level. After that, you have to use your Sparks of Life. If you don't revive at all on a level, then you are rewarded by beginning the next level with full health. The only way to revive another player is to use one of your Sparks of Life. The conventional wisdom is that this change has reduced teamwork and has promoted a really irritating form of begging.
For more detail, you might read the release notes for 2013-07-30.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:24
#8
data
Lancer Knightz is collecting new data on the crown payouts of all missions. They don't have many data for FSC Elite yet, but the trend seems to be that it'll be about 20% more crowns than FSC Classic.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:03
#9
hey bopp
So lets get this straight. If player B dies player A has to use a spark to res player B. Player B can't use his/her own?
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:12
#10
Nonono, if Player A falls, either Player A can use their own Sparks or Player B can offer one of their own.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:32
#11
So you are telling me people
So you are telling me people are begging others to use their sparks to revive them? When they could equally just use their own?
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:34
#12
that's the question
Someone dies (for the second time on a level) and says, "I don't have any Sparks of Life. Please revive me." You have no way to verify whether they have Sparks. So do you revive them or not? As you can imagine, there have been threads on this, with strong opinions expressed.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:40
#13
Yes.
One more thing: the flavor of Fire Crystals needed to heat 5* items doesn't drop in the Arcade as of a recent patch. (Well, technically it drops rarely on D28, but otherwise it's Shinings all the way down.) To get them you need to spend Energy, either on a Shadow Key (they still drop in Shadow Lairs) or by buying them directly at horrific expense.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:41
#14
Hi Arc. Remember me? I'm the
Hi Arc. Remember me? I'm the guy from your guild the officer :D
I was wondering of where you went... I see your coming back. I'm really happy to see that ;)
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:43
#15
thanks for all the help guys.
One final question. The 3 pets. By now most of you would have maxed out your beloved pet. Out of the three if you were to only solo which pet would be the best to have fighting at your side?
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:47
#16
...
Serphanyx :D
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:10
#17
gods ain't gonna help you, son.
depends how much do you want to wait for real support.
maskeraith gives immediate damage support with his first skill.
seraphinx gives a lot of support once you max out his second skill.
drakon gives great support when you upgrade the skills with the ultimates.
or you could buy all three and raise them all at once, but for that you should be rich enough to bribe OOO three lvl 105 pets.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:21
#18
@ Thunder-The-Bright
Which one did you pick?
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:24
#19
@ Comanderblue
Yeah I remember you mate. One of my top guild officers. Good to see you again.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:32
#20
gods ain't gonna help you, son.
I got drakon first, then maskeraith.
drakon is not so great at low levels, while the poison of maskeraith helps straight away.
I don't use much cloak (nor I see it used, btw), and a well upgraded flame barrier can be very good with the approrpriate harness (and stacked with a shock barrier hurr durr)
firestorm is great for everything that isn't fire themed, and haze is great for weakening/ finishing off bunch of monsters.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:41
#21
@ Thunder-The-Bright
Well I'll be back to soloing fsc once I'm back. But I'm also curious to know the average payout of royal jelly. Bopp I took a look at that list, but couldn't see figures for it.
I think I may go with drakon. And if I understood what you said you can have it do a shock haze sort of an attack? Will be good in fsc..
edit: nvm it was there. 2797cr.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:45
#22
Because nobody answered you
Because nobody answered you about the Forge.
When an item levels up (they gain heat like before, from heat orbs) it doesn't actually "level up" immediately. You need to visit the forge and spend fire crystals (there's different types for different item qualities, 0-5*) to level them up. You can spend different amounts for different chances of actually getting the levelup and extra bonuses like double levelups, bonus heat gain and Forge prize boxes. The higher level and quality it is, the more fire crystals it needs. As it's been said, the 5* fire crystals (Radiant Fire Crystals) are very, very rare as of last month. You basically don't get any, at all, except in Shadow Lairs. So right now it's impossible to level up 5* weapons and gear.
On Battle Sprites: it really depends on what you're up against when it comes to battle sprites and which harness to use, as well as perks. Sprite perks can do a lot of things, from health and damage type defense buffs to weapon-specific damage and monster family damage boosts. For examples, if you're in FSC, you'd want to bring a Crystal Harness (unless you're using Maskeraith, who can't use that harness, in which case Golden Harness is your next best choice.) Basically there's no best sprite; you need to choose your perks, harnesses and if you're rich enough, sprites for each situation.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:52
#23
Don't get Drakon.
Get maskeraith or Seraphynx. Drakon is not very useful at all. It's only good move is the last and the cooldown is really long. The maskeraith does better damage and has better utility. Seraphynx has a move that increses heart drop rate which is good for solo players.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:19
#24
Solved
Get Maskeraith do its OP powers and invisibility helpfulness (in case you're speed running some depth)
Also, I soloed FSC on Elite and got 10.7k. So...
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:28
#25
I use seraphynx when soloing fsc. I don't need the poison/buffs from the other two since enemies don't have that much health, but spike walking is always helpful.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:31
#26
Seraphynx is actually
Seraphynx is actually sounding quite good. I suppose I could make decent armour with the divine valks I got today to match with the Seraphynx.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:04
#27
Drakon, of course.
At first, the Drakon isn't all that good. Yeah, I accept that. It's kind of like Homestuck's Page class, where it gets to be epic at later levels. In FSC, when you get your third Ultimate and you choose the one giving you an attack/speed bonus, use Firestorm on the enormous crowd of zombies. Each zombie inside the firestorm attack has a chance to give you an attack or speed bonus.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:09
#28
Royal Jelly
The Royal Jelly mission is called "The Sovereign Slime". You get about 2797 crowns for beating it on Elite, not counting the value of tokens.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:51
#29
@ Sandwich-Potato
But what if I have max attack and asi already. You cant go past that now...or is there a higher level than max called legendary that I don't know about.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:52
#30
@ Bopp
Thanks bopp. I did edit my post seconds after I posted it. Maybe you didn't notice the edit. Thanks anyway mate.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:17
#31
Drakon's buff will let you do more damage than maximum. Probably not necessary when solo though it's great in a team since it buffs everyone.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:19
#32
Maybe you should try getting Backfire Barrier. It is great for speedrun.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:51
#33
As far as I am aware, the attack speed buff from Maskeraith and Drakon's respective ultimates stacks with bonus ASI, allowing for you to exceed Maximum.
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:29
#34
@Arcknightdelta
Don't come
@Arcknightdelta
Don't come back until Januray 32nd. Thats when we are (supposedly) getting new reskinned guns. Trust me, if you come bback, you will not find anything worth doing.
Mon, 11/25/2013 - 05:38
#35
January 32nd nice troll :)
I heard that crafting to 5* is now a joke. 7kce to get to 5*? 500 of these redonkeyless radiant crystals are needed? So why come back to the new gunner update if all the new gear will cost a joke load of ce to craft? Unless 000 have some way of implementing this new system more appropriately I can't see how this is in anyway an improvement on the game?
Mon, 11/25/2013 - 05:50
#36
It's an improvement on their earnings reports. Welcome to Supply Depot Knights.
Mon, 11/25/2013 - 06:01
#37
@ Warp-Master
I got that. Obviously with free lift costs they need ways of making money. But seriously did they not think how us as the players will think about this change? What is the point of letting us know what they plan on doing, asking us for feedback, letting us test it, and then release it anyway even though we all hate it? Customer service is getting kind of lame me thinks.
Edit: Is is true that most of the heavy spenders (real money spender people) have left?
Mon, 11/25/2013 - 06:02
#38
7kce to get to 5*?
Grind FSC like you did before and you will get a heap of Shining fire crystals.
Mon, 11/25/2013 - 06:08
#39
@ Aplauses
I read most of these threads on that. People are saying you don't get many of them now. Max you get is 3 if you are lucky and that is last level of FSC. SL is the place to grind for these radiant crystals.
Edit: BTW when was the last time someone official responded to the mass complaints over the last updates?
Mon, 11/25/2013 - 06:23
#40
my 2 cents
What a returning player should know:
Yes you can still solo most stuff.
You missed out on Obsidian stuff (poison brandish, antigua and vortex, sorry about that)
Spirte: Drakon = speed buff, stun each 16 seconds, deal tons of dps
Maskeraith = poison quills, invisible + dmg buff and tons of randoms status
Seraphynx = def debuff, making more heart (and deff bonus) and invincible shield you can use to get through spikes and whatnot
Gunnner update is delayed till January, 2 dozen new guns and new gunner armor will come (if you search you may find some picture of them)
OOO announced an arcade revamp, new missions, new T3 boss and a new Challenge PvE mode, no ETA on it
OOO respond to the complaint with the ability to turn off the red mark when you get below 15% HP (or so). They usually don't answer though...
LD is still the same though, new accessories had appear too (check out eye of fury) and you can't sell your minerals anymore...
Also NOW, you have unlimited mist you can wander around and do whatever you want. Our guild developped a speed-run FSC routine that we get 4k to 5k cr per run, it takes 20 minutes at max (doing it in normal difficulty running dmg max voltedge and blitz XD)
Edit: the only bad thing is the forge system, and that's because you weren't there when it was first implemented, 60-70 radiant per FSC, with 2-3 spark and 2-4 eternal orb, I stacked up on them and sitting comfy on 700 + radiant, 200+ spark and 50+ eternal orb. When it happens there was no shinning in FSC but PLENTY in arcade, people complained on the forum about having 0 shinning (when had 1k+, doing freely arcade run) because everybody was doing FSC so they gave us the recipe to craft shinning out of radiant. Then they nerf the drop rate of radiant, boosted shinning in FSC and now you have to either do SL FSC to get 70 radiant, or buy em at a ridiculous ce prize.
You can blame SK community for this garbage. At one point I was doing FSC in arcade to get BOTH shinning and Radiant. I went to 2k crystals but used them for the obsidian update, I'm at 700-ish radiant an 800-ish shinning.
Also only do the 100% in forge, don't waste crystals doing a 1/3 lvl up that may fail
Mon, 11/25/2013 - 07:17
#41
@ Shamanala
Obsidian stuff didn't really appeal to me, otherwise I would have come back. Besides like the Kat event which I missed both times, will most likely come back at a later date. Thanks for the info though. What guild are you in?
Mon, 11/25/2013 - 07:31
#42
pre-announcements and speculation
As far as I know, Three Rings has not commented extensively on the 5-star fire crystal drought, except to say that it's intentional. It's not temporary or a bug; it's a conscious design decision.
Three Rings has pre-announced a big revision to how the Arcade works, and new rank missions. There is some speculation among the players, that these will balance out the current drought somewhat. For example, there could be more levels added, where it is feasible to find 5-star fire crystals.
None of this matters until it actually happens, but just keep in mind that the game is still in flux after big revisions.
Mon, 11/25/2013 - 07:40
#43
@ Bopp
There is always something not right. Anyway I think I'm up to date on things now. At least what I wanted to be up to date on. Not sure why people have stock piled on all those rare accessories again. I managed to get Divine Valk Wings for 7kce, I think 000s wont stop there. So the featured auction has also been made redundant if rare accessories are being bought at 3000-7000ce? Everyone who spent millions on all there fancy stuff just got done over hard. I actually want to see more rare supply depot flash sales, maybe next year or after 2. Regardless that is the one good thing I heard in ages. Shadow Valks wings being sold for 10kce....lol. made my day.
Wed, 11/27/2013 - 10:27
#44
thanksgiving event
Just updated and logged on for the first time today. Thanks for the free goodies 000s. Anyway, I noticed when bringing up the missions menu on the left side of the menu there is the normal supply kozma depot thing. What I saw was an autumn leafy aura thing on sale for 8,800ce. Is this common practice now that we are getting random rare accessories on featured for ce prices?
Wed, 11/27/2013 - 10:44
#45
yes
Yes.
Wed, 11/27/2013 - 10:50
#46
@ Bopp
Awesome. So now I actually do have something to look forward to when I come back. I am honestly quite pleased about this.
Edit: I'm guessing this is 000s way of stopping people from profiting on those rare accessories. Now technically anyone can get them if they play the game a lot.
Wed, 11/27/2013 - 16:44
#47
@archknight's edit
I'd say it's more 000s way of getting people to spend money on E to get that shiny accessory faster than grinding for it. *cough*itworkedonme*cough*
Wed, 11/27/2013 - 17:06
#48
@ Perronius
Exactly my point from another thread. This new way if 000s decides to carry on releasing infinite rare accessories so everyone can buy them, is better for everyone.
My way of thinking. Rare accessories were in limited supply, so only super rich kids could afford them, buy them all out, hold onto them, wait and then resell for profit. Now we get rare accessories being released as ce purchasable so this causes people to grind which means people will have to actually play the game for long periods of time to buy that rare accessory. Which I believe is what 000s wants. And because there isn't a limited supply people won't be able to profit big on them. So those people who are obsessed with having everything first or the most of something (OCD) will spend real money rather than grind (and be 2nd best to someone else) and get the rare stuff first.
I still Solo. I go on Elite, because my Combuster can just 2-Swing enemies to death on Normal/Advanced & that's no fun. Plus, more Rarities.
Oh, & I almost forgot. You & your Party don't share loot anymore. Everyone has their own Crowns/Heat/Rarities/Usables from Monsters/Boxes. Like, say you destroy a group of Boxes. You get a Health Capsule, but your Teammate sees a Spark of Life instead. That means you're going to have to pick up your own loot from now on.