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Thu, 12/05/2013 - 15:44
Traevelliath's picture
Traevelliath

Why do people have such a strong emotional investment in Spiral Knights? I don't mean this in an aggressive or even accusatory way. It's just something I've been thinking about for the past few hours.

It started when the Spiral Scientist himself, Zeddy, posted a topic about how Spiral Knights can never be a great game. At the time, I was reading the thread off my phone, so I couldn't make a big response as easily. When I got back to my dorm and opened up my laptop, I noticed Feyi-Feyi's response:

"I love how so much people feel almost directly attacked.
I think what you're all missing here is that all the things Zeddy is talking about have been know for a long, long, long time..."

Which made me think. Zeddy and Feyi are right, in that SK is definitely not the best game I've played. It's not even the best game I've played recently. In fact, I hardly play the game anymore. I find it boring, and grinding. Even the parts I used to love doing or even when I return to the game after several months, I still find myself bored of it. I've even grown to hate FSC so much that the mere thought of approaching that place makes me cringe. However, I still log onto the forums each day, read through the threads, and keep up with the new patches. When I first read Zeddy's thread, I had the same reaction that many other people had. I took offense, as if I had been personally attacked.

The only reason I can come up with is the amount of time I've spent playing the game and all the friends I've met in the game. I have over 1800 hours of playtime, as well as many amazing friends and guildmates. However, I could say the same about my middle school. I have many fond memories of the school, of my friends who I met there, and of the clubs activities that wasted so many of my lunch breaks. Yet I haven't given a hoot about that place in almost 5 years. Even when people criticize it, I don't respond as emotionally as I do when SK is attacked (unless the criticism is full of blatant lies).

So why is it that, when SK is criticized, people act as if they themselves have been criticized?

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 15:47
#1
Draycos's picture
Draycos

People don't like being told truths they don't like to admit.

Kinda similar to people saying something like "hey, I know I'm weird as heck, but don't bring to light that I'm weird".

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 15:54
#2
Zenial's picture
Zenial
Zeddy called the game 'not a

Zeddy called the game 'not a great game' but it's still good, right? If someone decides to take a dump on a game that you personally believe is 'good' by whatever standards you have, there would be the possibility of offense in the situation. Players can get attached to the games they play. It's quite simple, I think. If you like something, you'll be more attached to it than if you think it's a piece of junk that no one deserves to play, and if someone insults that terrible game, you probably wouldn't care. But with good games, there is more attachment because of your positive ideas about the game.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 15:58
#3
Sirius-Voltbreaker's picture
Sirius-Voltbreaker
Your Voltedge isn't safe.

Yes, I do. Well, i guess i'm telling my story again.
I was introduced to this game by my best friend 3 years ago. I thought it was really stupid, but I wanted to try it out with my friends. So I start playing and I automatically get addicted. At school it was all I could talk about. Then the year after, I left the school, and went to a private school. We never got in touch after that, and he never got on again. He may not play that game, but I play it in his honor. This is not just a game. It is something that makes me think of my fun times with all my old friends. This game is something special. I love this game and I will not quit. Kick me, I will comeback. Take all my stuff. I'll get it back. I love this game and can't let it go. If I say I am quitting slap me. I would NEVER quit. This game is like family to me. I will never leave. I love you Spiral Knights. I always will. When people trash this game, it is like they are trashing my family. I don't appreciate it. You don't have to go ahead and say it like that.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 15:58
#4
Whimsicality's picture
Whimsicality

What gets me is how many are blurring the line between fact and opinion. This pretty much sums up everyone else's responses that thread. How dare someone form an opinion based on numerous problems they've found? Not everyone is as forgiving or has the same tastes, who knew?

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:01
#5
Iron-Dragon-Guild's picture
Iron-Dragon-Guild
more like..

i responded to zeddys post for a different reason than just 'feeling an attack on a game i play'. kind of more of a combination of factors. for example, lets take the title of the post 'spiral knights can never be a great game' ......to me, that is akin to saying to a kid or person that they will never amount to anything, because you can nitpick and find a flaw or flaws in them. anybody can nitpick anything in the world and find flaws..but to start down the path of condemnation...just seems wrong on many levels to me. as well as, i don't find all of his arguments without their own faults and / or having other alternative reasonings for the offending occurences which he seems to worry over.

i'm sure many people from many different places have their own set of reasons to post / reply which cannot be lumped into a singular definition.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:19
#6
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
You want the truth?

The truth

Is harsh

But you must listen.

There are many people who claim to hang on to SK. Many people to play SK in other people's honor. But there is no HONOR anymore. One day, you will quit, just like one day you will die. One day, the game SK won't even exist anymore. One day, I'll be dead. No one can hang on to this game forever. But, as long I still have inspiration, and the spectral thoughts of me years ago in Beta, and my push of my friends, I will....keep on playing.

*cries*

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:22
#7
Zenial's picture
Zenial
QwQ

That... That was beautiful, Annilaton. *tears up*

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:23
#8
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
@Zenial

*sniffs*

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:26
#9
Sirius-Voltbreaker's picture
Sirius-Voltbreaker
Your Voltedge isn't safe.

Waa!!!!!!!! *sniffle Waaa!!!!!!! C-Could I get a tissue?

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:31
#10
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
@sirius

Here, a box of tissue you baby. SK will end, I already know that from the first day on, nothing lasts forever, houses burn, people die and love deteriorate over time. These are the univeral thruth, even the universe will end someday (not in my lifetime), the question now remain is, what are you going to do in your short life? Are you going to waste it, or are you going to make use of it? It is up to you now.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:35
#11
Sirius-Voltbreaker's picture
Sirius-Voltbreaker
Your Voltedge isn't safe.

Hey don't call me a baby! I get a little emotional sometimes you jerk! *sniffle *sniffle *hic Waaaa!!!!!!!!! /e Impales Midknight DJ on his Voltedge and takes the box of tissues.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:35
#12
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
I don't speak, John. My guns do the talking for me.

Sirius, your post had: "Waaa!!!" All I can say is that: :P :P :P
@Midnight: You basically said SK is a waste of your short life. To me, SK is not a waste of your short life. As long something is fun, as SK is, it is not a waste of your life.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:39
#13
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato
By that logic...

...Robbing orphanages and burning babies alive and eating their flesh is not a waste of your life because you think it's "fun". It's only a waste of everything.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:42
#14
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
No

See, robbing orphanages, burning babies alive and eating their flesh is indeed not a waste of your life if you think it is fun. It's the universal truth. No matter how bad your motives are, as long it is fun, it is not a waste of a human's pitiful and puny life.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:43
#15
Paweu's picture
Paweu
[Pretend you see here an

[Pretend you see here an image of a guy standing with a sign saying "THE END IS COMING".]

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 16:46
#16
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
haha

So the guy next to the sign is...you?

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 17:06
#17
Spiruy's picture
Spiruy
seerusly

because Kozma's a qt3.14

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 17:10
#18
Traevelliath's picture
Traevelliath

It's not a matter of hearing criticism you disagree with though. I can visit a restaurant while enjoying the food there. However I don't get pissed off when someone else didn't like the place because they found the food lacking, or worse than some other restaurant. If I find a billboard to be hilarious, I don't get angry when someone else finds it annoying.

And I was using Zeddy's thread as an example of emotional investment. Admittedly I was focusing on how people react violently to criticism, because that's how I realized how emotionally invested I am in the game. I'm not that interested in why people are mad. I'm curious about why people take it as criticism directed at them personally.

EDIT**

And I'm sorry if this thread is a little deep for some of you. There are several kiddy pools already littering the forums if you want to splash about.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 17:18
#19
Leekcoco's picture
Leekcoco

It's the same reason why people who are fans of a certain band or artist get riled up by criticism of said entity. If you've invested time, money, emotions into one thing, you don't want to the one to look foolish. "This makes me happy, so it should make you happy too." Objectivity isn't so easy to achieve, but that's what makes us human.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 17:45
#20
Zenial's picture
Zenial
@Leekcoco

You totally nailed it. A band is a great example. Like you said, we invest more than just money (although the restaurant example from Traevelliath is still good) and when we like something, we expect everyone else to. It's the same with books, too, I'd say.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 19:33
#21
Kathrine-Dragon's picture
Kathrine-Dragon

The thing is, we're all looking at it too closely. In reality, I see OOO actually trying to fix things (I can provide examples if needed but that would start several flame wars). We seem to ignore them and focus on the negative but that's just human nature. Also, as typical fans of this game, we criticize it. We will never actually stop criticizing it nor suggesting things. I enjoy the game, broken as it is and sometimes I enjoy it because of the broken aspects of it and sometimes I hate it for being broken but in all I still love the game and still play it.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 23:00
#22
Feyi-Feyi's picture
Feyi-Feyi
Since you made the effort to

Since you made the effort to start a clean, thoughtful thread, I'll return the favor by answering in a serious manner.

Firstly, the dark undertone currently present on the forums is not a thing of today, this week, this month or even year.
Lots of players invest in this game. Wether that be time, effort, or money.
Whenever you invest one of these in something, you create a bond with it. Subconsciously you start caring for it.
It's no secret that a lot of us don't feel like that effort is equally rewarded on OOO's side.

Secondly: these forums are poison. Whim said there's a lot of opinions. That's true.
An opinion is something of yourself you put out in the open. When someone disagrees with it, or contests it, some people feel attacked.
It's an asinine thing, but it's yet another harsh truth that some people can't take that.
These Drupal forums do not allow for people's responses to be valued depending on content.
The troll takes the exact same place as the scientist, and we end up with an emotionally loaded mess.

Thu, 12/05/2013 - 23:11
#23
Tazet's picture
Tazet
Cognitive dissonance,

Cognitive dissonance, nostalgia, friends, and the awesome sound tracks.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 08:13
#24
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
Awesome sound tracks

^^something to remember about SK when I finally leave.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 08:21
#25
Thunder-The-Bright's picture
Thunder-The-Bright
gods ain't gonna help you, son.

when you spend time on something, and in that time you are having fun, you bind to that something. this is why so much people love many games, even grinding games or strange games. I mean really strange games. you begin to see your game "life" as a better version of your real life after a while, so you begin to defend your game like it's the way you are living. it's one of the main factors of game compulsion imo.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:04
#26
Hero-Of-Cheese's picture
Hero-Of-Cheese
Here I go.

Some music to help set the tone of this thread.

I love this game. The people I meet on here, the experiences I had on here, the feeling I had when I crafted my Divine Avenger, good times. But this game hasn't ended. Not yet anyways. We just have to make the best of it.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 13:33
#27
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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I'll admit, the game itself bores me to death.
But, I keep those exorbitantly expensive wep/trink slots open so I can keep on playing with the people I've met. I think a good portion of us only play because of that guy you've played the game with for the last 14 months when you met him by chance.
Besides, I'm always hopeful that one day OOO will figure out how to make the game far better; though they'd need to buy themselves from Sega first.
And... once you throw over 1200 hours at a game, you sort of feel attached to it.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 14:10
#28
Rezzler's picture
Rezzler
I think the sort of

I think the sort of nostalgicc feeling for people who are about 18+ or - 6 yrs is received from this game. It is reminiscent in subtle ways to games such as Zelda, Mario, And most obviously, it is about 99% similar to Call of Duty, clearly the oldest game that ever existed. (Lets see how many idiots exist, right?)

This is the main draw (also pokemon recently). The social factor is a massive draw. But apart from that....we got nothin. We have lockdown addicts who have nothing better to do (See Mushy Bucket for further details on himself), we have gameplay that gets old after a week, and we have a pretty weak development side of balance, the people of which spit out random updates for no reason.

All in all, the social factor and personalization help reflect who people are, and it helps keep people addicted. The mediocre gameplay is a side bonus for social people. But their are those people who enjoy soloing while rocking out to Taylor Swift and killing skellies, so yeah.

Yup.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 17:21
#29
Zenial's picture
Zenial
That's the thing. I stay in

That's the thing. I stay in SK because I meet so many unique people. Unlike other games I play, it is possible to interact and have fun with people. You can't do that in other games that much.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 23:39
#30
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

Relevant, but has a bit of bad language in it.

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:02
#31
Vanillateddy's picture
Vanillateddy
Licky licky Vanilla's Picky~!

In a sense i find it that people don't really try to look for the good things in this game to talk about. People only talk about the bad more because they have an opinion on it and they want change.But there's something that doesn't change and that's the people. In most of these comments you will see that people will talk about friends or relations they've had with others in the game. Or forums or whatever, but people are what make up this game in the end. But they aren't at the wheel they are only in the passenger and back seats for the ride.

But for the most part people don't know how to act when something they love is criticized some will look at it rationally others will be blinded by hate and attack back, some people do both and calmly fight back with what they believe. But the only person that can say the game will end is the people that have created it, sure everyone can drop funding for this game and not play it, but the Developer will still have to come out and say its over.

But i don't think that's honestly going to happen, people will find a reason that they like to play and enjoy this game.

@Hexzyle

Enjoyful and i got a few laughs out of that honestly.

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