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Mon, 12/09/2013 - 19:12
Arkate's picture
Arkate

PC Config Option #1.

497.69 - ASUS Crosshair V Formula Z, AMD Octa - Core FX-9370 (4.7 Ghz), Corsair H100i (Bundle)
62.03 - Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD
387.69 - PNY NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 2GB GDDR5 2DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort PCI-Express Video Card with Titan Cooler (VCGGTX7702XPB-CG)
149.99 - Corsair Vengeance 16gb RAM
39.99 - Razer DeathAdder 3500 PC Gaming Mouse - Black edition
8.99 - Microsoft Wired Keyboard 2000 for business.
159.99 - CM Storm Trooper - Gaming Full Tower Computer Case with Carrying Handle and External 2.5-Inch Drive Dock, Black
139.99 - Windows 8.1 Pro OEM DVD 64-Bit
175.80 - Corsair Professional Series HX 850 Watt ATX/EPS Modular 80 PLUS Gold (HX850)
285.87 - Der8auer Fusion rx 3.1 Red edition - Red
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2089.29USD (After Tax)

PC Config Option #2

324.99 - Intel Core i7-4770k Quad-Core Desktop Processor 3.5 GHZ LGA 1150 8 MB Cache BX80646I74770
203.99- ASUS Maximus VI GENE DDR3 1600 Intel Z87 LGA 1150 Motherboard
79.99 - Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1x8GB) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory (CMZ8GX3M1A1600C10)
99.99 - Corsair Obsidian Series 350D Performance Micro ATX Computer Case with Windowed Side Panel CC-9011029-WW - Black
326.378 - EK-KIT H3O 240 HFX
99.99 - Corsair CX750 Builder Series ATX 80 PLUS Bronze Certified Power Supply
259.99 - ASUS GTX760-DC2OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX760 2GB GDDR5 256- bit, DVI-I/DVI-D/ HDMI/DP PCI-Express 3.0 SLI ready Graphic Card OC-selected 1072 MHz core
139.99 - Windows 8.1 Pro OEM DVD 64-Bit
39.99 - Razer DeathAdder 3500 PC Gaming Mouse - Black edition
8.99 - Microsoft Wired Keyboard 2000 for business.
62.03 - Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD
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1802.72USD (After Tax)

Looking to overclock like a swedish guy at an OC competition.
Thoughs, comments? Anything I missed?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 19:19
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Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee

Dassalottanumbasendlettas.

Also, I don't see what this has to do with Spiral Knights.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 19:23
#2
Arkate's picture
Arkate
^

I want to get 100fps playing OCH.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 19:24
#3
Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee

Have you tried downloading more RAM?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 19:27
#4
Sirius-Voltbreaker's picture
Sirius-Voltbreaker
O.o

Do what ya want. Howevee the price is very high for my liking. And that is coming from a person who goes to a private school. I know how to make a computer and how to optimize one but that seems a bit pricy.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 19:40
#5
Arkate's picture
Arkate
^

Sirius. Hard to take you serious, especially with your grammar. Private schools mean nothing to me. And those are optimized builds at optimized pricing. That Asus is the cheapest OC GTX 760, and also really good. The AMD build is actually better, but cheaper. I could not make a build like those cheaper. I can't switch over to a Der8auer CPU container on the intel build, because it frankly does not fit in the case.

"Downloading RAM"
"Downloading...RAM"
"Down...loading...RAAAAAAM"

Lol. Think about what you just said.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 20:00
#6
Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee

Yup. Download more RAM.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 20:18
#7
Corewalker's picture
Corewalker
Neat, Hiss.

Just a thought. It might be in your best interest to look into an intel i5 4670k (Haswell) as your core. They can overclock to about the same processing speed as an i7, use less power, and produce less heat.

Not mandatory, but just a thought. your rig looks like itll be a beauty. Im building one now too, similarly spec'd, except Im using the above processor and 8 gigs, hiss.

Definitely gonna see some beautiful SK loading on that.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 20:22
#8
Arkate's picture
Arkate
Shien.

I find i7s easier to overclock, and it is actually faster. Despite having the same Ghz per quarter as the Intel core i5 4670k Haswell-e configuration, it has a larger cache. And I want opinions on which one I should go with as well :)

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 20:28
#9
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
LOLZ

You need 16 gigabytes of RAM to see a Steve Jobs doc? I keep an actual ram in my PC, his name is Spock.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 20:38
#10
Arkate's picture
Arkate
^

"Steve Jobs doc?" "I keep an actual ram in my PC, his name is Spock." What? In what way is that post relevant, helpful, or even sensible?

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 20:39
#11
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
Then watch this, Arkate

And you'll know what I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Tvy_Pbe5NA

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 20:43
#12
Arkate's picture
Arkate
^

...what a waste of time and effort.
Please be more serious Annilaton.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 21:04
#13
Blaknt's picture
Blaknt
well between the 2 setups the

well between the 2 setups the I-7 build will of course be the better build, because of the I-7 1.) scoring higher than the amd on cpubench (google cpubench and you can compare the 2) and 2.) you plan to overclock it making it even faster. you wont really need more than 8 gigs of ram unless you plan on doing some extreme multi tasking. im not sure what you spending limit is but forget hdd they just for space you need to look into ssd's they the future. faster loadups, faster installs, faster programs and not just slightly watch youtube videos of some in action or go hyrbrid maybe a 500 gb hdd and a 32 or 60 gb sdd to install the OS on and the programs you need/want to run faster. but other than that I "believe" both systems are fully capable of running the latest games on max settings easily. but before you dish out all that cash make sure to check ebay and craigslist you might find a similar spec'ed system for a couple hundred less than what you plan to spend. my bro like 2 weeks ago bough a 2013 alienware x51 of craigslist for $750 so you never know what you'll find. but on the other hand nothing beats new if just want to be the first to own it.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 21:12
#14
Sirius-Voltbreaker's picture
Sirius-Voltbreaker
Well...

I post on a phone so my grammar is always terrible. My phone usually doesn't let me go back and edit either.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 21:21
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Arkate's picture
Arkate
.

In what universe is the i-7 better? Look at the comparisons on CPU world and CPU Boss. The AMD-FX-9370 smashes down the i7 4960x! More cores, higher Ghz, larger cache. In what universe is the i7 better!?
I won't go for any similar system, because they are all priced higher, and have heatsinks which are inadequate for what I am looking for. (Overclocking.)

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 21:32
#16
Blaknt's picture
Blaknt
aren't you getting an i7

aren't you getting an i7 4770k
emphasis on the "k"
an i7 4770 is worse than the amd but the 4770k is better its a quad core yes but it hyperthreaded making it 8cores (will show up 8 cores in taskmanager and any other program you get) and is indeed better than the amd google i7 4770k vs amd fx-9370

Edit: ok miss read your post you planned on getting the i7 4770 yeah that is worse than the amd but y not dish out $15 more and get the i7 4770k and have then beat the amd

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 21:31
#17
Skepticraven's picture
Skepticraven
My comments

1. They got the same vidyah card. Thats what influences the fps in game.
2. Loading screens are affected via CPU, which is different. Personally I like the AMD cards because they run more efficiently (lower temp/power consumption).
3. My computer is below minimum specs for this game and I get 30s loadscreen average and 30fps on low settings. Why? I added a couple tweaks. (google search for spiral knights java tweaks.)
4. I don't know enough about graphics cards (Mines integrated below minimum specs for the game!) to say you will achieve the desired 100fps. I can say that its a complete waste of time if you don't have just as good of a monitor to handle it. That's what you gotta be careful with nowadays. If you wanna see 100+Hz, you need a monitor that goes 100-120Hz. It's amusing when I see people brag about viewing 100+fps on a 60Hz monitor.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 21:35
#18
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

I presume that you plan on hosting your own Spiral Knights server-? To my knowledge (I haven't seen the code, but I've heard that), all the heavy work is done serverside, not clientside. I get fine FPS and built my machine for ~600ish usd. That being said, I did save big time on the OS and hardware side of things... no fancy mouse/keyboard, OS magically downloaded itself for free, etc. Plus I started with a 250 gig hard drive that I had lying around, so I got a 1 TB one to go with it.

But good luck with it, I'm sure it'll run the game quite smoothly.

Mon, 12/09/2013 - 23:37
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Arkate's picture
Arkate
Blaknt.

Check the comparisons for the i7 - 4960x vs the AMD-FX-9370 on CPU world and CPU boss. The FX-9370 absolutely destroys the 4960x, which is the best i7 there is. It is also unlocked and hyperthread certified, and the only reason I would overclock the i7 setup is to make up for how much worse it is.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 00:01
#20
Dogrock's picture
Dogrock
Build 1 You really wanna run

Build 1
You really wanna run an FX 9 series over the much cheaper and generally overclocking to the same speed FX 8 series? Unless you're an overclocking aficionado that's just not worth the money, especially for performance that can be tough to notice outside of benchmarks. To hit those crazy clocks you'll probably want to opt for a more custom cooling solution too.

Build 2
It's already been stated, but if you want to overclock get a K series Intel. The others don't have the unlocked multiplier to allow overclocking. End Story. If the last time you looked at overclocking was the Core or first generation i7 series you've got some reading to do about how much has changed.

Both
Why so many watts? For what you propose the PSU in both cases is overshooting your needs quite handily. You could probably get away with a 650W unit or a 700W if you're so sure you'll somehow OC everything and maintain a 100% load at all times.

Why so cheap on the storage? You're planning to splash out over $1000 dollars and you're looking to buy one of the cheapest 1TB drives on the market? Seriously, save up elsewhere and purchase a SSD, even if just a small one for the OS and have a large traditional data drive for everything else. The difference an SSD will make over your HDD selection will make much more noticeable than fretting over AMD vs Intel arguments.

As for the argument, what's this whole coolers thing when both builds are using aftermarket solutions? Also, cache size, core count (Intel and AMD define "core" differently) and even clock speed is fairly apples to oranges since both design philosophies are radically different. Depending on the use one CPU may outstrip the other. In general Intel units are much faster at single or lightly threaded (few cores) tasks while large heavily threaded (any cores) will favor AMD. However, in the end of the day both will probably play SK about the same as it's something designed in the days of the Core 2 Duo and both options you're looking are are seeking to bang a nail in with a sledgehammer. (And check out the Bench at Anandtech for much better CPU comparisons. Seriously, the sites you mentioned are overly simplifying things.)

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 00:05
#21
Arkate's picture
Arkate
Dogrock.

I'm going to be getting a job for a short period of time to earn this money, and I'm still a minor so I don't really want to get an SSD except for as a later upgrade. Also, I said SK as an excuse. Really I want to be playing games like Arkham Origins and BF4 at 100fps. I've got the crazy PSU on the 1st one because it wasn't updated with some of the other components I want.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 00:21
#22
Perlippel
Seems like you didn't

Seems like you didn't actually read Dogrock's comment.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 00:35
#23
Arkate's picture
Arkate
'Cept I did.

And those are benchmarks based on stress testing. Preformance is limited by the program and monitor, and honestly I will only be getting 60fps. Why? I am going to be using VSync and I have a 60hz refresh rate monitor. And there is no FX-9000 series comparison available. And I do realize that the SSD will shoot my speed up much more than switching from either processor.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 01:08
#24
Dogrock's picture
Dogrock
The long and short of my post

The long and short of my post is "do your research better." If spiking past 100fps in a few games is your goal then even a well clocked Core 2 Quad will work on the CPU side. This is speaking from using one as the main workhorse for many years now. Any modern desktop CPU you purchase is massively powerful, to the point where unless you have a specific hardware intensive task there's very little point in spending beyond upper mid tier, especially if you're running a 1080p screen at 60fps. Many benchmarks make mountains out of a difference that's only visible in synthetic tests. The returns for your dollar diminish very fast and most would rather have the cash for a few more games than waggling in a benchmark what will be outdone by next year's hardware anyway. It's much better to get an ordinary modern CPU and spend more on the GPU and SSD. They are where you'll see your dollars at work.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 08:48
#25
Blaknt's picture
Blaknt
yeah I don't know where your

yeah I don't know where your getting your information from but everywhere I looked the i7 beats the amd drastically the i7 4960x is a 6core hyperthreaded cpu making it "theoretically" 12cores. you cant look at how many "physical" cores an amd processor has over an intel or its frequency when it comes to high end cpus, because intels have hyper threading which is like doubling its cores. intels are just better cpus. amd's are just as good and cheaper, but not better (some times they are but only to comparable models) here are some links comparing your 2 processors:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-AMD-FX-9370 (a comparison)
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1871129/cpu-intel-4770k-amd-9370-... (some testimonies)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ec87pHpxHU (a video comparing i7-4770k vs fx-9590)
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1872282/amd-9370-core-black-editi... (i7 4960x vs fx-9370 testimonies)

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 11:00
#26
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Rich-Tbiscuit

Ask these guys.

Also, you're a chump if you're spending that much money on a PC and not buying an SSD.

Also, spend more money on your graphics card if you're spending that much $$$ and less money on things that don't affect performance.

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