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Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:16
#51
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

That doesn't mean that we need to completely derail the thread either. Just.. keep with the discussion and post something relevant without having a side conversation or sharing your music. We made a Spiral Knights plug.dj for that, and it was a good room- go get some people and use that or post about it in Gremlin Chatter. Oh wait, you can't post about it there because its full of forum games.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:18
#52
Skayeth's picture
Skayeth
Hey!

Hey, DJ! Join the trolls!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:23
#53
Thunder-The-Bright's picture
Thunder-The-Bright
gods ain't gonna help you, son.

this thread has transformed into a demi-flame war, weeee! it's the first time I see one in here. so, let's see.

midnight, I thought you were a little more reflexive. the fact that GM don't respond at suggestions doesn't mean they don't have read it. they report to devs and devs make the game. devs decide what is good to the game and what isn't; the opinion of the gamers is seen, not evaluated. "doesn't that mean suggestions are useless?" nope. they can give ideas to devs that then make content based on your idea. it's still different from listening to a suggestion, but that's as close as you will get.

that being said, devs are focusing on the gunner update and on the arcade redux. I would really like to know their roadmap (what's more important of what ect.) cause it seems pretty erratic to go for the first phase of the arcade redux then focus on weaponry that noone had a problem with (swords OP and bombs UP, but nothing on guns, since polaris/ blitz cover anything... ok, there were problems, but why didn't we discuss them on the forums? because the problem wasn't guns but some guns, that's why!).

Mawashi doesn't seem like a bad person (girl got into fashon saying silly things at times, but who doesn't), but I don't really know her so meh.

I don't understand milk-frog's posts, like fehz wasn't here for some time and frog always stalked her to say "it's the only compliment you did", or the fact that zeddy, fehz and feller (lol, feller) want to become dictators (even though I don't understand if it's a joke post but I would say no because topic), since I haven't seen anything like that in the forums but annilation who has failed miserably (and I hope he won't try again). there is also the fact that we haven't got mods and that GMs ban, not players. and to his first and main post, that is just pretty much wrong but I'm gonna summarize it anyway: 1 the average player does not exist. statistically, yes, but in reality there is no such player. everyone has it's opinions that aren't with the majority. besides, unless you know every player's rank, you don't even know what clearance has the "average player"; 2 your incorrect statement is: "people who devote their entire lives to the Spiral Knights forums, should have power and control over the game, and that their ideas should be highly valued overall." this is incorrect; fehz has never stated that people who stay on forums have the most valuable opionion, but the people who stay in the game. forumers are just the ones that feel experienced enough to say they know something of the game and that post on forums (and that have some experience, but that's wrong and I said why in my first post). 3 what do you study in philosophy? the phylosophy of the men who works? of course not! you study the ones that matter and that actually contribute to the philosopycal thinkings of the time. take life as a game; intellectuals in life are the ones who make known their opinion, and you study the ones that have had the greatest and best opinions, in games are forumers, and as such only some of them add something valuable to the forums (Zeddy and his immense study on damage, Lancer Knights and their studies on payouts, and some more).
would please someone explain me what is a "lint licker"? I have half of an idea but I'm not sure.

as much as I don't understand emotion in posts a lot, I don't really see the self centrisim in fehz. nor the agressiveness, but I don't see it in my own posts (as much as I'm rarely angry when I post).

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:26
#54
Draycos's picture
Draycos

It's admirable that you've mustard the courage to speak against this terrible, terrible derailing. I just relish a good venting. Sorry.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:28
#55
Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee

"would please someone explain me what is a "lint licker"? I have half of an idea but I'm not sure."

Orbitz Gum Commercial.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:35
#56
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Blazzberry
I have no mouth and I need to scream

Hey there.

Maybe hardly anyone can discuss the game nowadays because after a solid 2 years and going, all the discussion has been done to beyond death. Having vets on forums pretty much adds on to what i've just said because many, many people who use the forums are experienced in the game in some way. But not all of us. This does not mean I want vets to go away in any way, shape or form.

I'm also not saying this game was the same as it was when it first came out, but rather everything that could be talked about already has been. Its just echoes in a cave at this point.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:43
#57
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

Interesting- whilst writing a response to Thunder, a new idea popped into my head, that a better model for the forums could be created.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:49
#58
Draycos's picture
Draycos

Planetside 2's Roadmap? Something like that?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 15:00
#59
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Midnight-Dj
@Drayco

I have bad logic? Fine, maybe I do and so are many other famous people in the world, but my sturbborness belies in my strength. I will always stand by my ideal of leaving the game the way it is, and if no one complained about the content, DON'T fix it, let's leave it at that.

And no, I didn't say my story is superior to hers, I said that I put more efforts into making them, Mawa only have a bunch short stories that doesn't seem to connect while mine is a 10 chapter-ish full story, with battles inbetween chapter with some well thought out boss battle. Some people will downright hate the way I write and dislike the voilence protrayle of the characters. Sure my story has unoriginalities in it, but OOO has already broken its own oath in making an original game, the sprites are pokemon rip offs, Apocrean is a slenderman reject and the Grinchlins are probably a reference to a Dr. Seuss movie that involves a green fur ball who also happens to hate Xmas.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 15:10
#60
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Thunder-The-Bright
gods ain't gonna help you, son.

the sprites are pokemon rip offs, Apocrean is a slenderman reject and the Grinchlins are probably a reference to a Dr. Seuss movie that involves a green fur ball who also happens to hate Xmas.

why you use the verb "to be" when things actually seem like?
sprites aren't pokemon rip-offs; you could name another hack and slash that has pets and I wouldn't have written this line. I haven't played many on my own, so I know of only a few of them, but I know they are rather common in MMOs.
the Apocrean Harvester is not a beatable boss, but a quite sturdy enemy that you don't have to beat. besides, did slenderman have a purple ray of death?
the grinch is quite a charachter of christmas hating, "ruining christmas" is quite a recurrent thing in MMOs. I don't see the problem on having our own.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 15:43
#61
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Midnight-Dj
@Thunder

:/
Hack and slash game with pets huh? Well for start, SK is not a hack n slash game(the example of a hack and slash game is devil may cry, where swords are the main weapon, guns are way less powerful), SK is a MMO adventure game by its roots. And yes seraphnyx does have some striking similarity with Mew, one of the most powerful pokemon from the first season.

Well, slenderman is not beatable either, you are simply trying to escape from him by collecting all the note, he was never truely beaten, if you played the Slenderman:arrival, you will know that the character you played as got killed by slendy at the end. Which is a horrible end to a great game IMO. Slenderman may not have the void gaze, but his gaze is just as deadly... and not to mention the static screen that you get for both of them.

There are many characters made before the Grinchlins that could do serious harm to Xmas, I almsot wished that Herex could send a horde of new biological experiement to Haven to destroy us all. I feel Grinchlins are somewhat shoehorned in, and so is their mountains and no, the levels are not amazing and sometimes the level could be down right cheap. There are many other characters in the SK universe that could and may have wanted to ruin Xmas, Herex, Tinkinzar and the devilites may all have serious deathwish for us. so why the Grinchlins when there are so many other possiblities to explore?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 15:56
#62
Acck's picture
Acck
.......

Can't we all just get along........

Opinions are like arseholes, everybody's got one........

Some are shiny and bleached, some are stinky and narsty........

But in the end, they all need supporting arguments to be worth a darn......

If you can't backup your poop with qualitative arguments, then get off the pot.......

Or maybe get on the pot, it helps adjust all sorts of attitudes......

Happy Hunting......
-A

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 16:17
#63
Thunder-The-Bright's picture
Thunder-The-Bright
gods ain't gonna help you, son.

because they celebrate winterfest too? oh, come on, you really thought all those caps on puppies grew by themselves?

I disagree with your first statement. mainly because Pandora is such a nice tool of destruction. then, I agree that I was wrong in hack n slash (I haz no gaem cultur). anyway, I talked about MMOs too. MAIN POINT HERE: do you depend on your battle sprite? no. does it have a variety of skills that can change over time? yeah, 3 skills, which evolve in 6 possible but still 3, like it's a very varied system like pokemon. are there better pets systems in MMOs that follow more the rules of the pokemons? of course there are. sure, you can say that seraph looks like mew, but the similarities end here; much like drakon seems a charmender and maskeraith a hunter. which is not true if you choose certain ultimates.

ok, I haven't played slanderman (again, no game culture) and I haven't got anything else but the fact that it's still not the same cause it's cannot be which can be easly countered with it's still a rip-off which leads me to say [part missing] the end, it's just about screw copiright, we have our own and shaddup.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:13
#64
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Doctorspacebar
/thanks - Pass it on

I feel as though this thread has descended to the point at which it requires what I will call the "TF2 Chat Flame War Maxim".

Guys, less QQ, more pew pew.

Now, an opinion is an opinion. It is held by a person. If an opinion remains only an opinion, it can stay an opinion.

HOWEVER. Once an opinion even remotely affects someone else, it is thrown into the wide world of arguments that have to be based on some kind of merit. Notice the word "merit". If a suggestion will honestly improve the game, then it doesn't matter if only one person posted on it, or if Zeddy called it stupid; it's a good suggestion. (Generally Zeddy won't call something that will improve the game "stupid", though. But it could happen.)

In the context of this forum, there is never an excuse to be hurling personal insults at people. Disregarding this will get you fed to the Snarbolax while setting your respawn point to a random Aperture Science Enrichment Center testing facility with at least one hundred mashy spike plates. However, if you disagree with someone's suggestion, feel free to make arguments against it... just don't act like a jerk in the process. We want debate, not tantrum-throwing.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:14
#65
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Doctorspacebar
/thanks - Pass it on

Ignore this double post. This double post is not a Spy, or in any way affiliated with Team Rocket.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:46
#66
Chromosver's picture
Chromosver
Many thanks to Fehzor for

Many thanks to Fehzor for responding to my post. However, I don't need to point out what happened exactly at that time but I guess that just proves I'm right. Ooooh I love being right..

Everyone in the forums (including me) is a self-centered individual who sees no merit in hearing what others think. Sure, at times I think I listen to people but that's only to prove them wrong because in the end, I am right. If we ever take control in the development of this game, we'll be pushing towards different directions.

You know, Zeddy might be perfect for that role of in-game conqueror, with many of your ideas being parallel to his. He should work on his people management skills though, but he's charismatic enough in throwing challenging lines towards developers that it might only be a question of who can keep up with him later on.

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