I'm pretty sure most people hate the new forging system, for those people who have been around for 2+ years like myself, it is a complete and utter nightmare. This is especially true when it comes to leveling up 5 Star gear. It is now a great frustration trying to garner enough Radiant Fire Crystals to fuel upgrades. So I think it would be best to go back to good way of leveling up, and not waste so much time desperately searching for the crystals which were not the best choice to begin with.
Get Rid of the Forge and go back to the Fun Way of Leveling Up!
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:10
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:16
#2
I agree
I've played spiral knights for oh I don't know 2-3 years or so. I must agree that the current system is annoying and a total pain, and I'd be a lot happier without this awful system of leveling. It's completely detrimental to the game-play.
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:17
#3
Yeah!
Let's get a new Item & fully heat it in one day & complain that the game is too short & easy!
EDIT: Double-Sniped.
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:17
#4
@Pippipipipi Personally I'd
@Pippipipipi Personally I'd prefer paid elevators.
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:30
#5
+0
I used to hate the Forge, but after being around it for awhile, I think it's just fine. It works, and it keeps from overleveling.
The problem is the fact that the average player can't get any damn Radiants, completely halting their way of advancement.
Sure, there's Shadow Lairs, but the average player isn't going to be able to complete one. Why's that, you ask? Because all their weapons, armours, and shield can't be heated, so they do very little damage, and in turn take a lot of damage.
This forces people to use Sparks.
And once people start using Sparks, they have to start buying energy for revives or more sparks.
Guess what that means? They have no money to buy the Radiants, leaving their only way of getting them by either doing Shadow Lairs (OH WAIT, they have no money), or by getting a whopping 3-12 every hour or so.
Now, this is just the average player. Most of the Vanguards that were around pre-forge won't have this problem, or at least it's not as big of a deal as it is for new Vanguards.
Either way, the fact that there's no Radiants is what makes the forge absolute garbage. All they'd have to do is make Radiants drop in Depths 24-28, but nope. They decided to almost completely remove them.
So, I agree and disagree at the same time. It should be fixed, but definitely not removed.
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:38
#6
not that much of a problem
to be honest i think the forging system is fine my main problem is that the fire crystals a a bit too rare mayby the drop rate should be increased, besides you can get double level ups and forge boxes :D
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:08
#7
You want paid elevators?
Look here. Before the Forge, elevators costed Energy, and you had 100 free Energy every 22 hours or so. If you didn't grind the Jelly Palace or the Citadel (both of which give less crowns than now on Elite), you'd be out in an hour, assuming no LD. Now, you can explore the Arcade FOR FUN without fearing it cutting your playing time for the day short.
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:52
#8
I like my poker. Don't judge me.
Even though I haven't gotten to a point where I DESPERATELY NEED RADIANTS ZOMG. It's annoying that all those threads in the suggestions forum keep popping up.
People.
We get it.
You need Fire Crystals to heat your gear.
They might increase the drop rate at some point.
But complaining to the GMs for the millionth time IS. NOT. GOING. TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
I hope that I've gotten my point across.
Cheers mates, Dermog.
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:55
#9
Oh.
But complaining to the GMs for the millionth time IS. NOT. GOING. TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
I beg to differ.
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:06
#10
Yeah, but you know why they changed it to the new system? Read the reviews and they go like "boo to energy systems -3-", and they say this system is a pay to win system.
I'm not too happy with the new system, even though I see reason in it. The reason is because it will not be too punishing for newcomers who had to wait 22 hours for 100 energy.
But honesty, with the new system breeds grinding, and LOTS OF GRINDING. This is what I hate most. I still rather have the old system, maybe with a few tweaks to aid the newcomers. I mean, if OOO is going to argue for it, they might as well use me as an example of a F2P vanguard to show that this game isn't pay to win.
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:42
#11
GM Atalanta said that they will change radiant drop rate sooner or later. (possibility)
We still have hope.
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:07
#12
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Give me the link to those words from Atalanta.
WHERE ARE THEY?
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:09
#13
And yet again, OP disappears into the night, completely forgetting about their own Thread, & going about their day.
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 21:42
#14
Just wanted to say this.
In the recent patch, some reason it shows me all three level options in the interface. This messed with me the first time I saw it. "Oh, I have enough to level this gear" *click* "Why isn't the 'Forge' button lighting up? Oh gee willickers, silly Sonosuke. I don't have enough fire crystals in the first place. Silly Sonosuke."
... okay that wasn't how I actually reacted, it was more like "Ugh, why the hell is this a thing now? It's not necessary, it's just not. No. Bad OOO. Bad. This is just retarded, why is this like that?" ... Yeah, much better.
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 22:51
#15
@mushy
It will be boring if I give you the link directly, so I let you figure it out by yourself.
Fri, 12/13/2013 - 23:08
#16
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Harharharhar.
I don't speak french.
Help me Google.
Sat, 12/14/2013 - 19:23
#17
Are you crazy?
@Dermog
Dude really? How does anything change unless people stand up for what they believe in? Do you think African Americans got equal rights because they kept their mouths shut and let things be? No, they stood up and did something about it! So the idea to quit complaining is bogus. If we don't take a stand, things will stay the same.
Sat, 12/14/2013 - 19:55
#18
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Sun, 12/15/2013 - 03:40
#19
gods ain't gonna help you, son.
yeah, well, you seem to believe that people didn't make a stand when the forge was first implemented. they did. a lot. and the forge is still here. you are just one of the many guys that complains about the radiants, not the one that stands for his rights of leveling gear in the front line.
Tue, 12/17/2013 - 17:18
#20
Back off
@Thunder-The-Bright
Lay off dude, you don't know him so don't be judging.
Tue, 12/17/2013 - 17:34
#21
Honestly.
It would be WAY better if you gained enough heat you would instantly level up a weapon instead of having to forge,but unlimited adventures would still be good if there were both features.
Tue, 12/17/2013 - 18:15
#22
Well. I had bet on 30 posts into a flame war. I lost my bet.
But honesty, with the new system breeds grinding, and LOTS OF GRINDING. This is what I hate most. I still rather have the old system, maybe with a few tweaks to aid the newcomers. I mean, if OOO is going to argue for it, they might as well use me as an example of a F2P vanguard to show that this game isn't pay to win. ~Zaffy-Laffy(-Taffy)
Oh boy oh boy you have to grind now. Guess what? YOU GRINDED EVEN MORE IN MIST ENERGY. If you didn't grind FSC, you couldn't play at all, as you would lose too much Energy to get more before you ran out. And look! FSC now gives like 20% more crowns from Elite Mode! Woah!
It would be WAY better if you gained enough heat you would instantly level up a weapon instead of having to forge,but unlimited adventures would still be good if there were both features. ~Sargent-Zekrua
To quote Bitsbee: Let's get a new Item & fully heat it in one day & complain that the game is too short & easy!
Dude really? How does anything change unless people stand up for what they believe in? Do you think African Americans got equal rights because they kept their mouths shut and let things be? No, they stood up and did something about it! So the idea to quit complaining is bogus. If we don't take a stand, things will stay the same.
Guess what? Spamming the Suggestions forums with "Remove Forge" and "Radiant Drop Rate Increase Pl0x" isn't really improving the dev's opinion on our maturity skills. Oh, and Booker T. Washington suggested that you should shut up and simply work hard, raise money, and earn a bit of respect every generation. The only thing worse than than saying "HURR DURR WE HAAAAVEEE TO DO DIS" is by saying that, but with incorrect examples.
Lay off dude, you don't know him so don't be judging.
How was Lightning-A-Dark judging? He used analytic reasoning and prior knowledge to conclude that the OP was just one of many complainers about the Forge. And, if I may say without much insult, I don't think there was much factual evidence backing his argument, unlike others who pointed out that it would cost 10 bucks of real life money to level a 5* weapon up fully.
And one other note: Remember dat OOO is lahk a small company and doesn't have much funds or stuffs. So, lahk yeah.
would you rather have forge or paid elevators?