I really mean it.
the initial missions give no bombs until after the collector. you get a battle sprite before you get a 1* bomb, and in the meanwhile you have 6 swords and 4 handguns. not only that, you are stuck with proto bomb. proto bomb! and it's not over; 5 seconds (of skipping dialougues) after that, they give you super stun gun, which is your first 1* weapon. how can proto bomb compete with a CTR med 1* gun?
I suggest to give at least one 1* bomb right after crossing the chasm, or at least before the collector. although I think a better option is having more 1* bombs entierly (bring back that 1* mist bomb!) so that there is some variety, not only three 1* bombs (if you're F2P, of course).
bomber newbies need love!
Mon, 12/30/2013 - 13:01
Mon, 12/30/2013 - 18:18
#2
Or, you know, give them a shield that can shield bump.
+1 to this, give new people a few new bombs, or add 3 more Alchemy Orbs to an early mission and force people to make a new bomb along with the Hot Edge and Frost Gun. The mission where those two weapons get UV's could also give the new bomb a CTR Med UV, so new people aren't put off by the charge time:damage ratio that so many seem to prefer swords for.
Mon, 12/30/2013 - 22:48
#3
For a while they used to hand
For a while they used to hand out ctr hi proto bombs and even had a decent mini mission complete with NPC conversation about using it. They scrapped it for some reason.
Tue, 12/31/2013 - 00:57
#4
The biggest problem is this: 0-3 Star bombs suck.
Without the CTR High bonus from the 5 star bombing gear, charging un-UV'd bombs just takes way too long, and the radius is miserable, so you're best off just bringing a sword.
What needs to be done is have the charge time proportionate to the tier of the weapon: Tier 1 bomb's base charge speed needs to be brought up to CTR Very High, Tier 2's bomb base charge speed brought up to CTR Med, and Tier 3's bomb charge speed left as is.
Tue, 12/31/2013 - 01:11
#5
+1
maybe give more varietys of 1* bomb , i mean most of them are just tiny blast bombs with statuses. Why not a mini graviton? mini shard (4 2nd blast shards).
and +2 to Hex's suggestion that or giveout more uved starter gear, which would be unlikely of OOO.
Wed, 01/01/2014 - 13:35
#6
+1
Wed, 01/01/2014 - 15:28
#7
Bombers need to be reworked,
Bombers need to be reworked, to work like they did in the old sk. It doesn't help that OOO removed the "secure the camp" and some other aurora isles styled levels that were easy to learn bombing. 2(if not 3) Bosses are currently a bit unfriendly to bombers, one being impossible without bombs. The less range is also a problem. But I'm guessing that zeddy can tell you more about that and how many bombs need fixing.
Wed, 01/01/2014 - 16:13
#8
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+1
@Blitz
Are you suggesting Vanaduke is impossible without a bomb (shivermist)? If you are, that statement is comically incorrect. For some 'odd' reason, Vana runs without a shiv 'seem' to be faster.
Wed, 01/01/2014 - 17:03
#9
I make you black, bluue and red all over
@ Mushy-Bucket
I think Blitz means (or at least I hope he means) "one being impossible [with] bombs". That one being Snarbolax. His stun timer is too short for you to get off any decent damage with the charge time of a bomb, meaning that the fight would be endless. Not to mentoin that getting the timing right to even stun him with the bell would be excrutiatingly difficult.
The other boss I assume he means would be RT, since their vulnerability timer is also short and difficult to deal damage with a bomb and the switch mechanism for the missles are hard to time without an immediate attack, but to a lesser extent than Snarbolax and can be defeated with a pure bomb set up (albeit with some difficulty).
His opptional third boss I asume would indeed be Vanaduke, which I laugh at horrendously. As I'm sure Zeddy could tell you, Vana can most definitaly be defeated with a pure bomb set up, it would just be harder on the mask phase than with a sword or gun. (I also laugh at anyone who says you need a Blitz Needle, as I've done it solo with nothing but a DVS and a WRH)
Thu, 01/02/2014 - 09:39
#10
@Masterreeve
Twins with shard bombs only, now. Don't forget the switch timing and the rooms. Sure, pro players like zeddy know where to place bombs but I want to see a new player do that.
Thu, 01/02/2014 - 09:56
#11
Dream once in a while...
I agree +1
@Hexzyle
I think what bombers need is a CTR shield, the swordies have thier Barbarous Thorn Shield and the gunners have Swiftstrike Buckler however bombers are left with nothing.
Thu, 01/02/2014 - 10:09
#12
Iron Buckler, Bomb CTR Med Pl0X
Thu, 01/02/2014 - 10:28
#13
Dream once in a while...
@Hexzyle
I'd recommend it being at least a 3*. Possibly Blazebreaker and/or Blizzbreaker since they both don't have a variant that benefits any type of weapon style. It would be a waste to leave shields as good looking as like they are now.
Thu, 01/02/2014 - 10:51
#14
+1
Thu, 01/02/2014 - 22:44
#15
@Fallen-Dream
A breaker shield for each class maybe? Surge Break Shield with CTR, Blizzbreak with Sword CTR, Blazebreak with Gun CTR?
Making it Bomb CTR Medium on Surge Break would allow for Max CTR with non UV'd bombs with all demo suits leading up to Mercurial or a single piece of Volcanic Demo/Mad Bomber, Handgun CTR Medium on the Blazebreak allows for Max CTR with non UV'd handguns with the Seerus Masks, and all shields could be used to replace one piece of Chaos and still achieve Max CTR with your chosen non UV'd weapon.
Fri, 01/03/2014 - 06:49
#16
+1
Uh, wait: they removed that mission in which you used to learn how to use a proto bomb?
Why?
+1 to the grand idea that bombing should be introduced to players on some way or another; my idea: give new players a mission with many minnies (like these green or purple cubes from jelly palace) to see many monsters get nuked at once. When someone sees many monsters die at once he might consider choosing a bomb.
Fri, 01/03/2014 - 07:44
#17
gods ain't gonna help you, son.
no jeno, that's not the way. if you think it is, go look for the radius of 0*-2* bombs and think again.
Fri, 01/03/2014 - 08:41
#18
I make you black, bluue and red all over
Back to what Hex and Dream were discussing, I'd much rather have just a CTR Med Iron Buckler. Swords and guns don't really need any more shields, and the Breaker idea gives swords a shield for every stat boost which I protest to (one of which being the only 5* stat shield, making them much more powerful than any other weapon type).
So yea, either give Iron Buckler the CTR Med, or make a 4* stand alone shield like SSB that gives CTR Med for bombs but low defense.
Fri, 01/03/2014 - 09:28
#19
Dream once in a while...
Yeah I agree with Masterreeve. Also Hexzyle, as you said, gunners already have the Seerus Mask which gives them CTR med so gunners getting a shield that gives them another CTR would be a little overkill considering how much they can manoeuvre while unleashing a blitz of charges.
Swordies have already got the Chaos set. In my opinion, compared to guns and bombs, swords are OP so yeah. I wouldn't recommend them getting a CTR shield.
Bombers should be the only ones to get a CTR shield as not only do they have to charge their bombs before they can use it, but once it's charged, they have to go through the placing the bomb down animation and then waiting for the fuse. CTR would just be more beneficial to them. I would also recommend fuse time reduction but some bombs already have a pretty fast fuse time.
I'd say 4* shield for the best result but that would mean, creating a whole new shield. I do like the idea of a new shield but it would be nice if the breaker shields would put to some use.
Fri, 01/03/2014 - 09:36
#20
In my opinion, compared to guns and bombs, swords are OP so yeah
Blitz. Level 10. Next!
I would also recommend fuse time reduction
No.
True, who uses the Breaker Shields anyways except for bored pros/craft trapped newbs?
Fri, 01/03/2014 - 09:40
#21
Dream once in a while...
However, if all the breaker shields were to be turned into shields that benefit each weapon type.
I'd say:
- Blizzbreaker for Bombers. [CTR]
- Blazebreaker for Swordies. [ ? ]
- Surgebreaker for Gunners. [ ? ]
I've not decided yet what variant each would have but only Blizz would CTR just for balance reasons. Also if this was to happen, it would mean that gunners would have two shields that benefits them and so would swordies therefore leaving the poor old bombers with only one thing... Of course since I like bombers I'm going to say that bombers should also get another shield that benefits them in addition to the blizz but I don't think that that would happen since there aren't many UVs that benefit bombers.
Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:47
#22
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Just produce a Swifty (3*) with the vortex going the other way , and offers Bomb CTR Med. Next, make Swifties Prismatic. What to call this CTR shield I have no idea...
Sat, 01/04/2014 - 03:34
#23
@Mushy-Bucket
ctrstrike buckler
Sat, 01/04/2014 - 03:43
#24
I make you black, bluue and red all over
@Sandwhich-Potato
Blitz. Level 10. Next!
Since when did the Blitz define the entire category of guns? And even if you wanna go there Acheron would outclass Blitz imo.
But I still halfheartedly agree, give more 1* bombs or recipes of them to the newbs.