general summary of this thread:

-person asks other guilds to stop taking his members and states how immature it is
-proceeds to argue with other players about nothing in relation to the topic
-wonders why it's so easy to lose guild members

i'm just a little skeptical now

Croc, this has nothing to do with anything IRL.
You're being downright dumb, and I'm trying to reason with you.
You can threaten about beating me up IRL all you want.
The people who need to pretend to be big and tough online are the weakest in reality.
Do whatever you want. We both know you don't have the guts to do anything more than trash talk on the forums.

I'm new to the forums but not new to Spiral Knights. I'm also one of the guild masters for Guilty Light as well. It's been about a year since I've started playing Spiral Knights and honestly that is quite amazing for me because I can't really commit to online games like that. What I'm trying to say is that when I first started playing, I thought that the game was not user friendly. Not until the big update where they removed Mist making elevators free. Around then I was a Defender Elite and that update helped me move on to now a Vanguard.
Ever since I've started playing SK, it was an uphill climb. Yeah sure there were guilds that recruited me, but never did they honestly help me continue with improving in the game. They forced me to donate to the guild treasury and forcing me to play lockdown and soon I just decided to play by myself. Higher level players have always looked down on new players and that causes a lot of new players to give up because of that feeling that they are alone and helpless in a big world. Obviously it didn't affect me because i'm a very competitive person because I also play basketball competitively and that attitude carries over to everything else I do.
It was not until Soyasawce and Risetoreckon decided to create Guilty Light. They wanted to recruit me but I refused because I believed in doing things myself. But I saw how they will generously help new members. When they need help with a mission they're there to help. If a guild member needed a revive so as to complete a mission, they'll gladly give a spark of life. After I saw that I decided that I want to be a part of that.
A major part of our guild is to help new players. We don't force our members to donate. We don't force our members to play LD. All we want is for everybody to help each other. But I think other guilds should respect what we do. I will never try to recruit someone already in a guild. I won't stoop that low to try to take another guild's member. And I want other people to do the same. But if they do leave our guild and join yours, then ok, you can have that person. Obviously they take what we do for granted. Not trying to create bad blood, I'm just trying to cool any conflict we have with any other guilds.

There really is NO way, you are getting a job in SK now. And anyone active on forums, won't really want to be in your guild. I am not defending Cyrd, so why do you have to insult me? I am just saying you are overreacting. Like, a lot. You are being really immature right now, and you areacting like an 11 year old. You seem to have to return one insult back with 15 others, and your insults are amateur themselves. You are making yourself come across as someone who is mean and quite frankly stupid. And I knwo you are better than that.

At least you ADMIT to your mistakes.

We aren't friends. I wasn't taking either side.

I am confuzzled about these massive multi-posts and contradictions. Just no.

If someone leaves a guild and joins another one, that's them doing what thay want.

How are guild members tight as family when they just leave you?

I disagree, I think MORE guilds should bring their guild problems to the forums and have everyone weigh in on it!!! THIS IS MESSAGE BOARD PVP AND I HEARD HAVING THE MOST CAPS WINS GAMES

I think you did the right thing by calling out Brick Squad here. I'll be sure to harrass them the next time I see them around. I report everyone sending guild invites to people already in guilds. Including my own guildmates, and once myself too when I accidently sent someone an invite trying to inspect them. Don't do the crime if you can't pay the time, right?

Every time you have a new thought you should also make a new post, it really helps get your message across. Maybe you should make a post for each sentence so you can split up your thoughts and make it easier for us to read?

PS. you can lock your own thread (or equivalent) by editing your first post and moving it to the Graveyard. but i think the better option is to make a NEW thread with the same title and put it in General Discussion or even Wiki Editors--that'll get your message across.

edit: sorry i didn't read everything but there was an awful lot of baby/diaper talk--do you guys actually fight babies that often or change diapers? personally never done either before but i guess i'd be willing to fight an ugly baby if the situation were to arise

I completely disagree with Momo. His premises are entirely unfounded and the logic behind his post is a shame to the dead guilds everywhere.

We should actually put the thread in the Treasure Vault, because it is a timeless message from a guildmaster who represents peace and diaper-changing. And then from there it should make its way to the Announcements board, because too many people are ignorant to the core goals and values that this guild stands for!

And on top of that, I completely disagree with fighting babies. We should at least wait until they are toddlers so this way they can fight back with plastic shovels and Legos. Only then will we know whether or not that toddler will survive to adulthood to become one of us.

With every post where Cragger attempts insults, I can't help but feel a little sorry. I can sympathize with where you're coming from, but a guild master can only lead their guild, not rule over them. Players come and go, but only loyal ones will stay. With reason, they are loyal. Give them reason to stay.

Something I would like to ask of you Cragger is to not post after typing your response. Read it over once, wait a bit, reread the thread, reread your post, then post it. If you are writing insults that are subpar and borderline toddler-talk, it might be a good idea to let yourself calm down for a bit and get at the meaning of the post that angers you. You claim to have anger management issues, and this might be a good practice to follow.

Multiple times, you have claimed to have psychology, business, and other experiences, but your actions on the forums are not at all what I would expect from an educated individual. If you don't mind me asking, what experiences are you referring to? If you feel uncomfortable telling the whole forum, send me a private message in-game through the mail system(Or don't, this is up for you to decide).

This is just plain insanity.

Cragger is self-contradicting, saying he uses logic and then throwing insults that make no sense at all. Thank you Tennant.

Momo is going a bit over-the-top on sarcasm, but this thread can't really get any worse.

Cragger, you wonder why people leave your guild. While insulting others. Immature ones too. Not even subtle. And then you bump immediately when it was still in the top half of the first page, and then you decide to post a bunch of times, looking like someone who doesn't know how to edit.

Also, Scirio, can we bring popcorn to see that fight? I hope that no one's allergic to dairy, since I like to have extra butter.

Back to Cragger, maybe you should look over your post before actually submitting it. For a person with allegedly experience in psychology, you don't seem to understand others well. Plus I don't think any businessman would insult others like that.

I daresay that insertion of myself into this obviously quite hazardous discussion would be without point. May I only request that Cragger-Da-Croc, in lieu of submitting repeated posts, instead utilize the button at the bottom of each post labelled "edit"?

(Translation: Can you use the Edit button instead of making back-to-back posts?)

Jokes on you, you can't silence a spacebar because pronouncing a space means pronouncing silence.

Jokes on you also because spaces don't have faces, since they mean the absence of everything, including not-so-comely facial traits.

You are correct in stating that I am not a doctor. Now read this entire post before reacting- not reading it will make you look foolish.

Now, have you ever heard of a logical fallacy? In case you don't know, a logical fallacy is defined by dictionary.reference.com as "a flaw in logical argumentation". In simpler terms, a logical fallacy can be explained as a statement that has either no logic or bad logic behind it.

One kind of logical fallacy is ad hominem, meaning "To the man" in Latin. It basically means insulting a person instead of answering their argument.

My argument was this: "Please use the Edit button to add additional thoughts, instead of posting two or more posts in a row." Your answer to that argument was the two posts above. Your arguments are as follows:

-"You aren't even a doctor"
-"Go sit in the kitty pool" (I think you meant "kiddy" pool)
-"I'm gonna use back to back posts to shut your ugly face up"

Your first argument, "You aren't even a doctor", is an assumption. You assumed I was not a doctor. Now, I'm not a doctor, but, being unable to know me, you didn't know that, so don't jump to conclusions.

Your second argument, "Go sit in the kitty pool", implies "You are a child under 8 years of age". Again, an assumption, and an incorrect assumption at that; I am in fact 19 years of age, which is over 8 years of age. As the further implication of this statement is "you're stupid", it's also ad hominem (see above).

Your third argument, "I'm gonna use back to back posts to shut your ugly face up", is inherently incorrect. I'm still talking, aren't I? Furthermore, you not only assume my face is ugly (which it isn't), but also engage in ad hominem by calling my face ugly in the first place. Even if my face is ugly, does it stop me from effectively arguing a point?

Now I should support my own reasoning for editing one's latest post instead of posting twice or more in a row. By keeping your thoughts within one post, you allow for more posts within one page, requiring less clicking to convey the same amount of information.

If you don't know the meaning of a word or phrase in my post, I recommend you look it up on Google. I would advise against complaining that you "don't know what that means" when, by posting here, you show the world that you have an almost infinite amount of information available to you.

He just got posterized by our Doc