been playing gvg lately. fought against hellohippo his bombs are op. i just rage and then rage quit then rage some more then eat a few potatoes.
i love the guild brotato (we have alot of potatoes)
question: how do i fight hellohippo/bomber?
been playing gvg lately. fought against hellohippo his bombs are op. i just rage and then rage quit then rage some more then eat a few potatoes.
i love the guild brotato (we have alot of potatoes)
question: how do i fight hellohippo/bomber?
Honestly, I find the easiest way to completely wreck bombers who are foolish enough to not carry a sword or don't realize they should use it to be to simply bring Sentenza/Obsidian Carbine and either shoot them down or if you wanna go "dirty", enable AT and spray away. As a plus, your bullets will disrupt the bomber's charging and the bombs will take even more time or not even get charged at all if you shoot well enough.
Another thing that works is Blitz Needle. One of the greatest weaknesses of bombers is that they get no invinciframes when they're charging. So, with a Blitz Needle charge, you can kill them in a single well placed charge.
Lastly, there's Polaris. If your enemy does not use full Merc Demo with any Shock UV, you're in luck because you can shock mr Bomberface and that means bombing gets hard. I don't think I have to explain the rest of the results of Polaris.
Gota agree with Krakob.
Since charging gets rid of invincibility frames, even a blitz needle would be viable against a charging bomber. The Antigua line is the better choice though due to the maneuverability you get with it.
Just use a gun... I would use An antigua line, valiance or Polaris if ya wanna be nasty.
3 easy tips:
1) Buy/roll shock+stun+poison+fire+freeze immune set.
2) Walk on every bomb and watch the bomber drop his jaws while you drill him.
3) Walk away like a boss.
The only decent bombers are the ones carrying a heavy sword.
The ones that don't are a damage feast to me. Because nobody expects someone to be foolish enough to just jump into the haze radius, and that's exactly why it's such a good strategy. Jump in there and molest him with your FF/GF switch for example. Those who take the bigger risk come out on top.
Why do you lead a guild focused on LD when you're bad at LD scirio? Just refrain from posting on here, did wonders for Ruby.
No one expects someone to be foolish enough to do that.. Well yeah, because it's foolish.
That's a bit rude. Scirio might not be the best but he's really not bad and there's no rule saying that you have to be good at LD to post here.
But I am rude Krakob.
I just would never be able to forgive myself if poor Pearl-Tea actually tried that.
It depends on the bomb quite a bit. With AoA and VV, it can work. Shiver? Most certainly, if you're wearing an immune set which is really common. Otherwise, nope. Then there's VT which is a big nope without waltzing and lastly, there's Swagger, which works. Heck, the only ones that actually can harm you (aside from the initial blast) are AoA and VT.
We're talking hellohippo. Chances are 110% that there's not just one bomb. Jumping in 2-3 hazes isn't by any means smart.
That's all.
That's true. However, we're not talking Hellohippo. We're talking bombers without swords.
Pretty sure the Venom Veiler idea is a bad one, simply because it drops your damage output moderately and turns whatever you're wearing into a piece of china, with the other team representing the equivalent of bulls in the china shop. So if you're just jumping into a fight with an automatic cripple of 33%, you better be really good at sword canceling, or really good at moving - and in both cases, Venom Veiler is almost guaranteed to not be the only bomb dropped on the field so you'll have to have resistances somewhere or risk getting beaten back by someone's pokey stick or glowing paddle. I'm not even going to analyze the other bombs, because they all speak for themselves in pretty much the same manner.
On that note, using the concept of "those who take the bigger risk come out on top" is a crock - the game doesn't favor the daring, it favors the prepared. If you're jumping into a metaphorical zone of hell, you better be prepared enough to fight your way through it, or lucky and hope something tilts in your favor. And those who take uncalculated risks deserve to have the bomb blow up in their face for trying to be unnecessarily ballsy. If you can corral a bomber off of a point or interrupt their bomb charge so that they don't have another one laid down before the first one dissipates, THEN you can jump in for a few seconds or whatever.
Keep in mind that jumping into a bomb does absolutely nothing to take into account other teammates that may be hanging back waiting to support said bomber, it does no analysis of how long until a respawn wave kicks in, etc. If you're by your lonesome on the other side of the map when the respawn hits, and you decide it's a good idea to delay a capture by half a second in order to die for the full 20 seconds, then no functionally it is not a good idea. Whereas if you back off a bit, or even use your own team's respawn wave to run back, heal, and then return to where the action is, you save yourself about 10 seconds of needless waiting and give yourself an opportunity to probe around for other openings.
You don't insult someone's skill. Especially if they were not saying anything mean to you, the topic wasn't even related, and He wasn't talking to you. I would have to say I am quite dissapointed.(Inb4 Feyi rages at me)
An uneducated opinion being posted as if it's a valid one without any actual background to support it kind of lends itself to the topic of skill in relation to being a discussion point. While I don't support Feyi's method of going about it (he kind of skipped a lot of details to reach the conclusion), I don't necessarily find his assertion to be ill-founded. Not just Scirio, but anyone who states that going in headfirst without any kind of plan behind it, just kind of deserves to have that pointed out. Charging in works decently in RLD, but rarely do skills translate from RLD to GvG seamlessly.
Rete sniped the spot my comment was in so I have to edit it :(
The spoiler was that I'm not always 110% serious on these forums.
I don't feel the need to back up everything I say either.
So yeah, if you want a long technical explanation ask me so I can say no.
you're 5 hours ahead of me the way i see it i'm psychic for nixing your comment
My comment wasn't based on loose theories.
It's based on field tests. Ever since I got into a discussion with Zeddy, I decided to test the things I assume before posting about them. The fact of the matter is that there are very few good bombers out there carrying the full package, swords, bombs and some immunities. Others, the lesser bombers, are stupid enough to carry just 3 bombs, and no sword, then have the audacity to wander off to cap points without a striker. My suggestion was based on the latter type of bombers.
They wander solo through the field with no swords then try and cap a point by themselves without a striker buddy to back them up. It's fun to see them crap themselves when I jump into the VT haze and plant my GF in their face. All they can do is try to outwalk me and charge their bomb hoping the status can keep me off long enough for their team to arrive, but usually to no avail.
I wouldn't dare to try this method on decent bombers like muffin-top and fwmb.
Not sure why you chose to insult my skill however feyi, that was uncalled for. Then again, saying I'm bad at LD doesn't necessarily mean I'm no good at it, so it's pretty subjective either way. The chat here is the result of some haze-jumping I did, pretty effective according to fall, who's the bomber in question.
I do a lot of things that are uncalled for.
One day I woke up pretty hungover and discovered I had not stolen 1 but rather 12 buckets on my way home after the party.
@Krak47ob
"bring Sentenza/Obsidian Carbine and either shoot them down or if you wanna go "dirty", enable AT and spray away"
Shadow antiguas are the best guns to annoy a bomber, particularly with AT. But remember, AT is wrong, pretty wrong. Do not use it, Feller is watching you from the world of the fallen.
"Lastly, there's Polaris. If your enemy does not use full Merc Demo with any Shock UV, you're in luck because you can shock mr Bomberface and that means bombing gets hard. I don't think I have to explain the rest of the results of Polaris."
7 points of shock resistance as guardian are enough to be immune to polaris (and storm) shock. So you don't need UVs on Mercs, Grey and Divine sets to get it. Also, guardians are not affected by the knockback. Its bullets are slow and they can help you to avoid more damage if you use invinciframes and shield properly. Therefore polaris is one of the worst guns to beat a bomber.
@Sciriously
You have a good style to beat bombers. However I disagree about this:
"The only decent bombers are the ones carrying a heavy sword. I wouldn't dare to try this method on decent bombers like muffin-top and fwmb."
Well, I use FF. Huntr used to carry a toothpick. I've seen Tohlevi using wonderfully a hail driver as support weapon. Fayeth wields an Acheron. Silentfrost's valiance was a pain. And I have to say this: Guanchi used to get >10k dmg with a 4-star bomb.
PS: OOO, we'll never forgive this.
So we're basing field tests off of "field tests" which include the entirety of "T3" RLD, which is hardly a sterile testing area so if we're going to base it off of hypotheses, your basic premise is flawed by assuming that bombers play the same way. That would be like me saying that Iron Slug actually -is- good just because I've pub-stomped with it a few times. In order for something to be considered a viable strategy, you should be able to apply it to a variety of situations regardless of the person on the receiving end, and still be able to prove definitively that it works more often than it doesn't.
You'd get away with your strategy at most, twice, in any match with a competent enough bomber to figure out who the idiot is who swan dives into mist bombs before they choose to switch to Stagger + Dark Briar or something with similarly fast charge times. I'd welcome you to drop names of bombers you've beaten with this supposed "strategy" but that would be going into blurred lines with the name-shaming rule, so the ball's in your court should you choose to do that.
In terms of actual guns to beat a bomber, your best bets are AP/Sentenza/Carbine solely to take advantage of the charge frames from the bomber making invincibility frames a non-issue. If you're playing against a Guardian Bomber with a set that can walk through even one of the bombs they're dropping, shield canceling the Hammer so you can rattle off three of the first swing from the combo drops the shield. It may be four hits with a non-damage boosted set, but with Skolver or Snarby, it's three. All of this is done without leaving yourself open by hitting someone with a full combo from DA/GF to do the same thing.
As far as sources for my info, I've dropped countless bombers with this - not to mention anyone else who dares charge a Brandish up more than once. And I say this having taken on virtually every bomber that Muffin-Top mentioned, as well as being on the receiving end of a plethora of other Guardians Bombers or offensive Guardians (Njthug and Reto-Da-Liz come to mind for each respectively, but there's others as well), on top of the fact that my main foray into GvG started with me building a playstyle solely around countering bombers.
Also yeah, Krackerjack I'm not sure how I missed it before, but all you need is a basic set with the inherent +8 built in, such as the Merc Demo, Grey Feather, Divine or something similar to resist Moderate shock, since the Guardian Mod drops a +2 resistance on every status type except Curse. I'm not sure why the tooltips don't mention it on the Wiki, but yeah it's a fun fact. Of course, it's possible Muffin and I are both reading your comment about +7 wrong and are implying the Guardian bonuses as common knowledge, in which case consider this being stated more for the folks at home that don't know about it. You can even mix and match a Perfect Mask of Seerus onto a Grey Feather Mantle and have enough resistance for Fire + Shock immunity, a sizeable amount of Elemental Defense and a smidge more diversity if you're more accurate with a gun than a sword. But now we're getting into hypotheticals.
I wasn't intending of giving you a list of bombers I've beaten with haze-jumping seeing as that would be rather pointless.
You'd get away with your strategy at most, twice, in any match with a competent enough bomber to figure out who the idiot is who swan dives into mist bombs before they choose to switch to Stagger + Dark Briar or something with similarly fast charge times.
I think I've repeated myself quite some times now, this strategy is not designed for good bombers, there are far too little bombers out there who are actually good at bombing. This tactic is for the bombers who aren't good bombers.
Off-topic story: I was fighting some bombers yesterday, one of them kept shiving, while this works on some people, it does not work on full snarb with a gift of autumn. I felt bad for ruining his fun so I told him I'm immune, regardless he kept on shiving, so I kept on killing him. I adviced him to use his swagger storm, since I saw he had one, but he was so fixated on getting me frozen then using a hammer combo to finish me off. He tried everything, going striker, going recon, going guardian. But to no avail. Which I found odd, but not surprising. As there are far too few good bombers out there.
He wasn't the only one I encountered bombing like this, I've seen this happen more times than I care to admit.
Another funny story is that when I told him I was immune to his freeze, about 5 other players used /p and /tell to ask me "what I meant by that, since it's impossible" Turns out not everybody has the knowledge of bombs and status immunities we do, you should take that into account.
Skimmed it, technically they're right because it's impossible to get complete immunity to freeze status; you're only immune to "minor" freeze status with the listed loadout. Even then, I still maintain that the strategy's frankly a dumb one, but I'm also not interested in beating the dead horse any further.
I'll continue beating the dead horse no worries.
The point here Scirio is that now mather how much you explain your first comment, it still is a faulty reasoning.
When the OP asks what he can do, you can't argue based on the fact that the other party 's gonna (hypothetically) do something.
Yes, of course most of RLD still has a lot to learn, but when one of them does actually ask for advice I make it a point to give them the correct advice.
Yes! Thank you for the correction.
As for Tohlevi, I'd argue he was more of a hybrid than a dedicated bomber but yup, he was a beast.
i fought hippo again and lost. if i remembered correctly, hippo's loadout was a red saber, ss bomb, vt bomb and a gf.
he shocked me with the bomb and then hit me twice with the gf then combo'ed with the red saber. hippo is mean :(
my loadout: hotedge ctr vh for the lololololol, btb asi vh, volcanic pepperbox beast vh (good charged),antigua, skolver coat max poison/elemental, vog cub cap max sleep
If he shocks you with the bomb, that means you were in the bomb.
Don't step in the bomb, you have a gun.
When someone is charging a bomb they have no invinciframes meaning you could do a lot of damage with that volcanic pepperbox.
thanks ret, i shall try that!
have you tried a brotato gun