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Can we all agree that the fewer Radiant Crystals make the game less fun?

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Thu, 01/09/2014 - 08:58
#51
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

Quite a few people seem to be using the following logic when discussing the radiant issue:

0. We asked for less radiants and more shinnings.
1. We got absolutely no reliable or even plausible sources of radiants, outside of shadow lairs.
2. It is the people that asked for less radiants and more shinnings' fault that this has happened, and they shouldn't complain.

And I'd like to state a few things about this logic:
0. Whether the game is hindered by this doesn't have anything to do with what we asked for. Furthermore, the players hurt by it are often not the ones that asked for it.
1. We didn't ask for this. We asked for the radiants to start spawning around D24, so that shinnings could be found more easily than radiants... but this is just nonsense.
2. If the game is going to end up hurt because of this, its OOO's fault because OOO alone controls these things. Likewise, if the game was hurt by having too many radiants and not enough shinnings, then it is still OOO's fault. If OOO reads "Radiants are too common" and interprets it as "Remove all sources of radiants from the game" that's on them.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 16:55
#52
Rhagnarock
erhm...

0. Whether the game is hindered by this doesn't have anything to do with what we asked for. Furthermore, the players hurt by it are often not the ones that asked for it.
1. We didn't ask for this. We asked for the radiants to start spawning around D24, so that shinnings could be found more easily than radiants... but this is just nonsense.
2. If the game is going to end up hurt because of this, its OOO's fault because OOO alone controls these things. Likewise, if the game was hurt by having too many radiants and not enough shinnings, then it is still OOO's fault. If OOO reads "Radiants are too common" and interprets it as "Remove all sources of radiants from the game" that's on them.

We asked for less radiants and more shinnings.

I didn't ask for it, most people that couldn't run the Arcade asked for it... because in the arcade you could find both radiant and shinning in treasure vaults T3 strata 5... we filled ourselves with 2k+ shinning and 2k+ radiant, 200+ spark... and now I have to grind vana for shinning and don't give a **** about the radiant, SL or buy them... or wait till OOO crash the game or revives it...

OOO gave us the fire recipe as fix and people still complained and wanted shinning in VANA, well THERE YOU GO. It was PERFECT when they first implemented (maybe a bit too much drop?) but it was awesome... Radiant should drop on Vana and nothing else, go seek Shinning in Arcade... Glowing at JK/RT and whatever for lower part, I don't care...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 17:39
#53
Dibsville's picture
Dibsville

Radiant should drop on Vana and nothing else

If anything, Radiants should only drop in Arcade.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 18:33
#54
Blazzberry's picture
Blazzberry
I have no mouth and I need to scream

^ Kinda agree with dibbles on the radiants for arcade runs.

Even when I spammed fsc before the drought, it wasn't fun all the time. And by that I mean getting drowsy from time to time running it.
Momofuku(I think it was?) mentioned something about letting radiants drop from depths 24 and to the core, I'd actually be ok with that since it satisfies both arcade and tier 3 boss runners in one shot.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 18:35
#55
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

Yes to Radiants dropping in the Arcade only! Y'know, maybe ALL crystals and orbs and sparks should drop in the Arcade only, so as to give an incentive to run it.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 18:47
#56
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope

Radiant should drop on Vana and nothing else

No, that was the reason why people complained about "shinnings being too rare" because they didnt wanted to get out of FSC and try something else to get shinning crystal fire, because they only were doing FSC and getting radiants.

the most obvious fix its: radiants start to drop in D24 and there ya go.
but also was easy for people to "grind less vana" for a bit to get their shinning crystals and try other levels but not people dont want to leave their nursing bottle of crowns in FSC.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 19:11
#57
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

the most obvious fix its: radiants start to drop in D24 and there ya go.

And then OOO goes bankrupt. The thing is, it's hard to balance Radiant drop rate and not making OOO run out of money.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 11:03
#58
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope

Why you assume that OOO will go bankrupt with just letting people to get radiants from depth24?

assuming you get: average drop 6-9 radiants per floor, and the lucky streak: 12-15 radiants. for only 5 floors? its not that much when you gathered idk around 90-120 radiants per arcade run? sadly didnt uploaded the screen with my most highest amount of radiants after the battle sprite update but on average was 100 radiants i get just by playing a run trought arcade.

at depth 24 isnt that a lot of radiants if you only play vana and its a fair amount of radiants if you play arcade. isnt fast but neither ist slow like right now is happening with the game. and there always will be people buying something from OOO either because there are new clients or older clients that need the CE for whatever they want from supply depot or trought steam.

could be fast for someone who spent all the day in spiral knights but those are just a few players. anyway. if you said "And then OOO goes bankrupt. The thing is, it's hard to balance Radiant drop rate and not making OOO run out of money." were assuming that this is the only way they are getting money, but how many players are paying for CE to get those stuff in supply depot? i need radiants and i supported OOO in the past, but i dont going to buy it because the rate of "Radiants" for the "ce" you need to get them its really exagerated. and most players are doing this. also another thing you should consider its how you can get CE for free with your Cr. so "that Ce" that its on the trade comes from a player that preferred to use his CE in the market instead for radiants. so that means radiants isnt "The only" thing that keep spiral knights at float. only "one of the few" sources but not the main source.

by other hand isnt hard to balance the "radiant drop" what its hard to balance is "How you slow down players without affect others when your game is too short?" thats its the hard thing to balance. honestly spiral knight isnt that long. people proved it with playing spiral knight when E-Passes existed and they make all trought the game content in 1-2 days.

also if the trouble its the "money" OOO sooner or later will release a promo that will attract everyone eye. but also keep in mind how promos are handle lately: "Hey guys check out this promo its out now! buy Ce and buy your boxes from supply depot" which is one of the main things that im just realized that its not better to buy CE from OOO since they stopped to giving free prize boxes with every energy purchase, because that was the incentive to get you buy energy from OOO, so now is better buy a TF2 key in steam market and trade it for CE as Mushta stated, you will spent a bit of time trying to sell the key at 1500 Ce but hey you will get more CE for your 2.45 dls rather than buy the CE from OOO. and then use that CE for boxes or better wait for the promo last days and get it cheaper.

would you buy Ce from OOO if the give you free prize you with your purchase? idk you, but me? for sure i can see my luck with the 5 boxes i get and if i see im not lucky i dont buy more boxes from SD, or i can spent my Ce to buy more prize boxes from SD or just do the thing i said before, wait to the promo to get on the last day and buy it with my CE, but at least i got prizeboxes as incentive to buy energy from OOO, or better yet. i buy CE and i get 5 free prizeboxes and with the CE i got i buy another 5 boxes from SD and sell them later when the promo end to make profit. either way you made the sale thanks to giving free boxes.

i see more the radiant drought as a way to "slow down" players rather than a need of OOO to make money. making money from "radiants" it just a sideeffect of slowing down players and also for other players to make profit from radiants drought by reselling the cheap radiants in AH. lets also remember that Spiral Knights isnt only the game they have, theres also Puzzle pirates, Bang (or whatever its called i dont remember the name), Dr Who Worlds. so if we feel a "slow development in spiral knights" well they probably are working too in other of their MMo which give them money (and because probably the previous year was the 50 anniversary of doctor who so probably they worked a lot of content for that MMo well im not sure on how many years just that was the dr who world anniversary lol).

and thats why Fehzor Suggested that missions should be unlockables trough arcade. so thats a better way to "slow down players" since the game you know isnt that long (and honestly with the mission system and an E-Pass you can reach vanguard in 1 day if you played the whole day).

so honestly i doubt OOO is going to bankrupt just because they let radiants drop at depth 24 right now. there smart people that isnt buying radiants with their $$$ because its really hurtful just to get 50 radiants. and that people will tell others that it just better not spent $ on radiants, some others will consider it since they going to spend a really amount of money to get just 1 single weapon to lvl 10 (someone says that just getting 1 weapon to lvl 10 its just like spending a money on a game idk if that true). but what is true is really a pain just to waste the money on that, there costumers that dont buy CE on Promos because they dont get prize boxes and better get the CE by other means (not only steam users). and also because there less reason to buy CE, new weapons? well yes but they cant heat them if they want the 5 star version, and spending all the CE for radiants ehh as i said it just plain a pain. so people better just sell the CE fo easy crowns.

if they need money you will see more drastic changes to the game to "make people" buy with their money, so radiant drough would be just one of the minor problems.

but thats what i honestly though. i dont see OOO in troubles for now. and yes i bought a lot of CE in the previous promos and stuff they give us. how much i spent? i dont want to know but i really spent on this game more than dofus which was my addicition lol. but there is no reason for me to buy CE now. since i got everything? and i barely play because one of the reason i played was because i wanted to try new weapons at their maxed potential but even i cant do that. so why im going to spent in a game i barely play or dont give me an incentive to keep buying CE from them? the polar stuff i got it with the Cr i saved because i saw the "files" of the promo days before so... i was just saving Cr for the incoming promo and spent the 50 dls on steam games rather to try my luck on boxes which i have to buy with the CE i bought.

but yeah thats my opinion :)

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 10:32
#59
Son-Of-Hades's picture
Son-Of-Hades
Yes.

Yes.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 11:33
#60
Momofuku's picture
Momofuku

I never understood why Radiants became so closely tied to OOO's financial situation. You do realize these employees are salaried, yes?

There are plenty of people buying CE, and I'm sure they're not spending it on Radiants.

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