@Njthug
>>>You dont have to pay 800ce to get 20% more heat you either want to and will or wish to, but wont. I level up items pretty fast, I wish to buy this when I do crazy leveling since well it will make my life so much easier to level up gear, so I am fine with paying 800ce, and I think your math is wrong. =)

I agree (if I understand you correctly), that if OOO's want to make available, a premium item, charged at a premium price of 800ce, that they are welcome to do so. Also, it would not surprise me if there are some players who would be willing to pay, even such a high cost, to get a relatively small bonus to their game.
I just hope that it is NOT a continuation of the apparent (to many players) downward spiral after the disappointing (to many) update (to crafting charges, binding etc).

@Eurydice: Of course it's a harbinger of our destruction! I mean, someone with the wherewithal to spend that cash/ce will be able to LEVEL THEIR SWORD FASTER! *gasps*

I can only guess what nefarious things these Ringers will come up with next. Probably a 10ce fee to make a forum post... 5ce fine for snipe stomping... 20ce bereavement tax after wiping out a horde... and it will all come back to hurt the poor downtrodden folks playing this game. *tsk* Such capitalism must be stopped! Where's my 'Equality for All!' sign, I need to wave it around... (then mop up this sarcasm I've dripped all over before someone slips in it...)

Ut oh, are you the new Boswick, Nthug?

lmao, seriously

I love how people take Nj as a worker for OOO

If you all think the item isn't even worth getting because of only 20% for 800ce then don't bother.

Oh and about Boswick, I'm sure Boswick thought of this price, blame Boswick! ;D

Great thread once again.

@ raycap regarding me contradicting myself:

You must have some kind of a problem with reading. If you read it CORRECTLY, you would've noticed that other F2P games offer the SAME TYPE of item for DOUBLE the price for only 24 hours.

Reading must not be your strongest point.

I agree.
800ce for 2 days are numbers that give off a terrible vibe because I can immediately imagine how much more than just 20% off of a weekend worth of play I could get from 800ce worth of runs on my own schedule. To me, it's not worth it. It might have made me think back when there was still a lot of unexplored content and the spirit of competition for end game hadn't died off but right now, it has no value.

That said, the item itself isn't a bad idea at all if you readjust the price and make it 700ce for 7 days, or as krokgar suggests, 200ce for 2 days. Maybe make it a 50% bonus even would make it much more attractive to the majority of the players. Either way, IMHO it's currently not a very attractive option and that's coming from someone who's supported the game quite a bit in order to be among the first to explore the content of the game.
Find your equilibrium, ooo! You are making millions when you could be making billions!

@Collussus
>>> other F2P games offer the SAME TYPE of item for DOUBLE the price for only 24 hours.

Surely there are no other businesses charging such massively overpriced rates for an item which does so little, for such a short length of time. I would be delighted to be corrected on this (e.g. with names or links to such games), as I find such things highly amusing.

Can I check my understanding, of what you mean ?

Are you trying to say that, if one company wants to sell something at a wildly excessive cost (800ce) and its features are not very good (2 days, +20%) either, that citing examples (actually you did NOT include any), where other businesses have got even worse features (24 hours), at even worse costs (double, but you have not given any specific examples for it to be looked up), that it is ok ?

Someone is selling a $1 Burger for $100,000 is that perfectly 100% ok if another business is selling a half burger for $200,000 , or are they BOTH charging way too much, for too little ?

could u guys of OOO stop changing the game rules and just give us more content already? i feel very insulted every new patch

now after the heat amplifier rip off er i mean item u also released a bunch of useless yet eye appealing bonuses to the game such as achievements (people love them i have no problem with them but they dont bring count as content)
heat count at the end of each level so u can know how much heat u got during the lvl!! neat and handy!!!
(great i got a full bar of heat this lvl...how much is a bar of heath worth?....idk my items heat at the same rate than before and i dont really get any specific information with this.... so why hav it?) some freaking NUMBERS would do us good.

give us more content not more expensive useless stuff that is only CE based.. how about more equipment? new swords, new armor sets, new guns, new mobs, new dungeons whatever

show us that ur actually working on this game and not just fixing the rules to get more profit out of an incomplete game, 3 patches and what we get?

useless training hall, useless achievements, useless heat meter, overpriced crafting costs, new rules no more 4,5* market, overpriced useless heat amplifier, auction house (good), minerals selling price reduced (make the worthless worth less), $20 bundle (good but obviously highly profitable for OOO so you can argue it was released out of self convenience), what is next? increased prices on reviving? more useless stuff? please no

no more fixes to the way the game runs you already messed it all up

what was the point of making the changes you already made? for what i understand it was so items would be more "rare" and so you would have to work for them thus ppl wouldnt buy theirselves into T3 right away in other words extending the time it takes for any1 to get to T3 (IMO a strategy so they dont have to release more content)

And they're coming out with a way to unbind items. You can calm down now.

It's pretty convenient for me as a player, yes. This game needs more crown sinks to keep energy prices low.

Before the patch weeks ago, you could get 5 star items Faster and Cheaper via having someone level up your 4star + mats, than doing it yourself. Supporting a system like this is proof you don't actually care about the longevity of the game, and you just want everything for free. With the unbinding costs, players who craft can now sell items at a higher markup, making it worth it to get the recipes and craft items yourself. And you'll still be able to provide mass-CE buyers with their 5 star-off-the-bat gear, but they'll have to pay more.

With all that said, I still think this Heat amplifier is absolutely wretched and needs to either be buffed to last 2 weeks or needs to drastically be reduced in cost. Even if they don't change it, however, I'd say they'd never take away the "Get 30% heat if you revive another player" mechanic. Think.

Reviving a player grants you 30% of the heat that they have earned in that stratum. That's more than the 20% bonus that the boost provides. When you have a full group of players, you can get an extra 90% heat if they purposefully kill themselves before the end of the stratum, and with Capsule Hopping they can heal back to full for the next depth.

So...yeah. I can make more heat with that 800 CE than I would with the boost. Therefore, the boost is useless. Now, as a company focusing on sales, what can I do to make the boost cost-effective?

If the intended buyer of this item is the casual player, why does it last for 48 real-time hours as opposed to 48 log-in hours (or X levels)? The latter would make a lot more sense, and is consistent with what has been shown to be successful in satisfying casual players in your other game (the badge system on Puzzle Pirates).

On a more general note, how much communication is there between the dev/design teams for SK and Y!PP? You guys belong to the same company; there's no reason for you not to benefit from the game design information learned through the other game.

@Krokgar this new shop will most likely be a CE sink making it's price rise more than it already has, and making crowns worth less.

also the longevity of the game shouldn't rely on how long it takes a player to get his stuff together, thats just and excuse for not releasing more content.
if they wanted to prevent people from just buying theirselves into T3 they could have implemented a Knight gear lvl system like heat but on your knight to prevent you from using higher lvl gear (most games have this kinda system) but instead they just shuted down the entire market and increased the CE crafting cost ( a HUGEE~ CE sink making CE prices rise and thus requiring more CE to flow in, increasing their profit and screwing F2p players ofc)
the new unbind shop will serve the same purpose CE sink
lower price recipe lower crown sink, higher CE cost at crafting higher CE sink

can you see the pattern now?

The heat amplifier is for people that can only play on the weekends. It was released on a Friday for a reason, ya know. You guys are right, the 800CE price tag is insane for a lot of players but there's people out there that think "Oh man I finally have a weekend when I can just spiral out! Hell yeah I'm gonna pay whatever amount of money necessary to advance faster during my limited time frame!"

There's no reason why it can't serve this role *and* be a financially sound investment for all other players. In fact, it would be a much more effective item for all parties involved here, including end-game players, casual weekend players and OOO's gold-plated yatch dealer if they were to tweak the pricing of the heat amplifier into a sweet spot.

Both the weapon slot and trinket slot pricing grant an advantage that is more or less on par to their perceived costs but the heat amplifier currently isn't even close. Tweak it into a place where it makes sense and not only will far more people use it but the increased crystal energy sinked into it will greatly increase the energy market fluidity and be a much superior revenue generator for the game devs.

Was this supposed to be the fix for the crafting mistakes by the way? I just hope it turns out these were all typeos...

What?

there cant possibly be and argument that can contradict the fact that the heat amplifier is a rip off

2)ist aimed for players that cnt play for long periods of time: the item is time based so if you dont have time to play...

1)its a commodity for players willing to buy it: the other side of the coin, only a player that has time to play 16hours in 2 days would get a full advantage of this item but would rather use their CE in anything else since having the time to play the game means heat will flow in naturally defeating the purpose of the heat amplifier.

Don't waste your breath on people like that. Reading the commentary back and forth made me feel just a little more cynical whenever I read his post.
I think he pretty well "shuted" you down, however, when he wrote "shuted down".

/lame joke, too tired to try for more, but there was potential there I just had to capitalize on.

And no, F2P doesn't mean you get your $*** for free, it means you put more time to get things that you can get marginally more easily by paying (well, a "Fremium" game like this, anyways, works that way). Time is money. It's not "free" in the sense you should just get everything end game in 20 minutes.

I'm not going to reply again to this thread, else I'll become too cynical to function in this game.

AndI think thee some kind of worm on my laptop screen. Creepy.

*Edit* it was just a feather from the pillow behind me, but a tiny skinny one.

OOO should make it so that if those who have purchased the heat amplifier and are disatisfied they can send it back, with a measely charge of 600CE.

Three Rings should offer this in terms of playing time not server time.
800 CE is worth 80 descents and the amount of energy you can get from 80 sorties outweighs the measly 20% amplification,
unless you can play 48 hours straight.

The price of this item is clear indication of the level of esteem that the developers have for the player base.

In case you weren't paying attention after "The Update".

In my opinion this item is absolutely worthless.
If u wanna get tonns of heat fast:
Do JK run with noobs and keep reviving them :)