^Good idea actually.

Am I a bad person for suddenly thinking of complete polar opposites of the term Mad Bomber for a Gunner in an ironic manner?

Duh. Chaos wins.

my opinion (something I heard before) is to make it a true generalist set and have it low ASI, CTR, and damage for all weapons per piece instead of med CTR and damage

But Kat hats.

I used to think Chaos was balanced before, but now I realize it isn't. In fact, I'm kinda glad someone decided to bring it up again; there's things I want to point out:

If your suggestion is revert Chaos back to it's previous state of DMG/CTR low a piece, you're only making it unpopular like it used to be. You're also screwing over the people who went and invested their money into making their sets extremely powerful. "...Mad Bomber users were screwed first", you're thinking. Actually, nothing has changed about Mad Bomber, it's the same as it was before Chaos was buffed. The set isn't any weaker, it's just that something else just got stronger and overshadowed it. If anyone's thought process is, "Chaos made Mad Bomber underpowered, nerf Chaos back so my set is good again pls!", then you're being very selfish. Look at both sides of the situation, please.

Another thing; making it one class only doesn't fix anything, that isn't the problem with Chaos (but I'll admit that I would welcome having similar sets in swords and guns department, but I won't bring up these hypothetical sets in my suggestion). The problem is that it's suppose to be a glass cannon set but in actuality it's as defensive as any other 5* armor. Thus, not only do you have DMG/CTR VH along with whatever else you can slap on, you have the sturdiness of a common 5* set with full health and incredible Normal/Elemental defense. And honestly, maybe ONE offensive buff could be toned down slightly since we're talking about 3 weapon types.

My proposed change would be:

Chaos Piece:

- Health bonus at level 5+ is 2 pips. Before level 5, it only provides 1 pip.
- Elemental defense is removed completely.
- Normal defense is reduced to 3* strength.
- Status weakness is increased to 3 bars.
- CTR bonus is reduced to low.

Chaos Set:

- Provides +4 pips of health, leaving you with 9 pips instead of the usual 15.
- 3* Normal defense only (Wolver armor value or something).
- Status weakness is now at -6, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that weakness is capped at -4.
- DMG VH and CTR Medium in total.

I feel that if chaos was changed to have these stats, it would in my opinion be quite fair. You're not nearly as tanky as before, weaknesses can't easily be circumvented with UVs, BUT you're still really powerful being able to use all you're weapons effectively in a non-roflstomping way. Mad Bomber still has it's CTR VH, but I could go ahead and say that it could get an additional buff of some sort regarding it's status weakness if this were to happen.

I've been trying to avoid these Chaos VS anything else wars for a reason. That reason is because I have a feeling that my idea would get me pummeled by everyone. But I guess I may as well throw it out there!

I thought about Chaos a bit. I realized that people who use it are generally very good at this game, so they sacrifice their defense for offense. If they get hit by anything that causes a status effect, Chaos users will suffer tremendously. The only way to fix this is to spend loads of hard earned cash on powerful UVs to make the more threatening status effects a bit of a lesser blow. But how do they prevent the status effects in the first place? Dodging. It's the only way a Chaos user survives. Dodge everything but that occasional minor impact that didn't cause shock.

But what if we took that dodging ability away?

What if we gave Chaos users their charge time reduction and their extra damage, but in return they suffer a movement speed decrease? And I'm not talking about a tiny unnoticeable one. I'm talking about MSD Very High, or maybe even Maximum. Ok, this is where I figured I'd be pummeled by everyone.

But if we took away speed from a Chaos user they wouldn't be able to dodge as easily as before. It means that if they want to use that instant mega Blitz charge, they will have to get hit by Vanaduke's mace. A lot. If they want to avoid that rocket puppy, they will need to put up their shields to live. (If they brought a Swiftstrike, I hope they have a remedy capsule and a 21 vitakit!) This could make Chaos a bit more balanced as it would trade in every bit of survival for the offense so many people love. This also makes the Black Kat Cowl a bit more logical as a Chaos piece and not an accessory to boost that power.

This is just my thought. It seems to work in my mind though I'm sure few others do too. Ok, I'll just be going now.

Chaos is going to die in the gunner update... 3 more polarises mean double trouble for them. TIME TO SPAM SHOCK, FIRE AND FREEZE POLARIS MUEHEHE!

My idea, as well as others as Dibsville pointed out, could be a great way to nerf Chaos. That way if you're a hybrid Gunner/Swordsman, You would have Sword-Chaos and Gun-Chaos(one of each piece). CTR Med for Swords and Guns, DMG Bonus Med for Swords and Guns, either way, still would be balanced in my opinion.

I dont understand why bombers use Chaos Set in LockDown, It doesnt matter about damage, to them, its about how fast you spam Voltaic Tempest, and if that's the case, use Volcanic Demo, it has fire resist and better defence!

Gunners also do not need chaos if they are switch shooting. If they want that extra CTR, I would suggest CTR med with Perfect Seerus Mask and your own choice of body armor. If you also want the DMG Bonus, then Perfect Seerus Mask + Shadowsun Slicker would be your best friend. If you gunners havent noticed, there's a gunner update coming soon! That means more gunner armor! Ditch that Chaos.

"Because most Bombers carry a side weapon as well, such as a Gran Faust or Final Flourish."

Even if they had a sword on them, the damage wouldnt matter because of all the damage dealt using bombs

Guys guys guys, seriously when I said "please don't make chaos for one class" I meant it.

The issue with chaos is that it doesn't make the knight into a glass cannon. Instead, the knight can use chaos+one piece of something else to fit the level, and be defensive AND overwhelming. Making it "gunner chaos" wouldn't change anything... I'd use chaos-gunner + mask of seerus. Then, I'd still wreck house in FSC.

What chaos- and mad bomber/black kat cowl for that matter- need are bigger stat decreases. They need negative max+med, as that would require a ridiculous amount of effort to overcome and get into the positive stat denotations. Then, they need to give less hearts than other armors. A lot less hearts.

Mad bomber should be either removed from the game (existing pieces turned into pieces of chaos that look like mad bomber; recipes removed from HoH) or should be given MSI low per piece, as well as bomb damage high and bomb CTR high per piece. This CTR would be redundant everywhere except lockdown. Or maybe it'll do something else, and just look like chaos for now.

If I remember correctly, Chaos used to have only damage low per piece. If they nerf it to anything that is even or better than that, people shouldn't complain. You can't expect them not to nerf Chaos and then rage when they do because you spent cr/ce on your set.

I'm pretty sure it was damage low before they buffed it to damage + ctr low.

I'm not talking alpha, I'm talking steam release.

I crafted it when it was damage bonus low per piece. But I crafted it for the damage bonus on all swords, guns and bombs for all monster families. Nothing more, nothing less.

Damage bonus low + CTR low felt quite balanced and made it worthwhile, and I still have CTR low UVs on many items... for use with chaos.

To nerf it, you'd have to nerf black kat cowl. Honestly I think its still balanced in terms of offense. Nick was right-- it wasn't very glass cannony before.