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Fri, 01/31/2014 - 08:03
Arkode

There is something that has been going on for a long time now and I have not seen anyone step up to address this matter. This matter is in fact the <69. I remember when I read ToS I saw the words "do not harm minors in any way". I am a minor,15 years old to be precise, and unfortunately I know what the <69 means now because of * certain people * failing to keep it discreet. So I guess it's too late for me now because I already know , right? Wrong! Minors DO play this game and with them comes curiosity , the kind of curiosity that inspires them to innocently pull up a google tab and type it in. I believe that the <69 is a blatant violation of the Terms of Service. Now go and do what you want with this thread. Just let it be said that I didn't watch it happen without a fight.

~Arkode

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 08:12
#1
Bitsbee's picture
Bitsbee

Ohai, Fehzor.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 08:15
#2
Reto-Da-Liz's picture
Reto-Da-Liz

You're free to quit the game and free us from your posts <69

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 08:15
#3
Arkode
lol?

@bitsbee not sure why you think I'm fehzor lol..

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 08:16
#4
Arkode
@reto yes I am,but that would

@reto yes I am,but that would defeat the whole purpose of this thread so thanks for the offer but no thanks

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 08:48
#5
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Arkode

I applaud you. 000s sort it out. It's disgusting.

So basically what we all can do is make symbols that mean something 'adult' and post it everywhere, rather than actually say the word or what we mean. That's ok isn't it. Yeah must be.

Edit: Vanillateddy yep I removed my original post. I have had too many arguments with certain individuals over things that are blatantly wrong. I see no point in carying it on if 000s doesn't step in and start smacking people with the ban hammer, It just seems to me and a lot of others, that some people on this forum think themselves above the law. I guess people have a reputation and many people know what sort. My job was done back in May 2013.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 09:04
#6
Vanillateddy's picture
Vanillateddy
Licky Licky Vanillas Picky~!

Edit : I Saw Arc. i saw all the things.
Edit numero dos : Bravo Arc.

Its basically as Arcknightdelta said, no one will show any strife against it because a bigger group will continue to use it. Sure you may see a topic like this every now and then or even Arc. off fighting the good fight with a person using it. It wont change the inner child someone can be to have to use any sexual inuendo sadly.

Sure, Filters what a wonderful thing, but sadly most inuendo's such as <69 are not filtered, not to mention people will still go around the ToS and do things like sixtynine or so.

Also 69 is a number, although it probly wont be common people might ask for a certain price on shiny's heaven forbid this kind of price occurs, but theres possibilities like 6900 or you know come up with any numeriical reason yourself.

you probably will never see something done.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 08:54
#7
Seiran's picture
Seiran
:;

well, you can just report them in-game.

I know certain people have gotten banned for even joking around claiming that someone else was on their account, from troll reports XP

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 09:07
#8
Paweu's picture
Paweu
Since people don't get it <69

Since people don't get it
<69 = 9-6=3 = <3

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 09:10
#9
Arkode
lol

*is in FSC when he gets a patch notice* * mail says " The guild : Echo of Silence is being deleted " " all knights seen posting 69 will have their accounts perma banned"* lol...... on a completely random note I would laugh so hard if someone vandalized the faces on rushmore or w/e its called :3

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 09:10
#10
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ 000s

Will I get banned for posting a link to the meaning of 69? It has some content in there you'll probably see in some R rated movie. There's no images thank god. Only words.

If I can get banned for posting the link, then I'm sure 000s are well aware of it's meaning.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 09:18
#11
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Arkode

*is in FSC when he gets a patch notice* * mail says " The guild : Echo of Silence is being deleted " " all knights seen posting 69 will have their accounts perma banned"* lol...... on a completely random note I would laugh so hard if someone vandalized the faces on rushmore or w/e its called :3

You're trolling us right? All this was actually a joke wasn't it? I find this all very hard to believe.......it would mean the whole of EOS will get banned. All the billions of ce and cr they put into their guild is wasted. All the 1000s of pounds each player has paid 000s was all for nothing, well for nothing on their behalf.........

Nope. You're definitely trolling. Screen pic or it didn't happen.

Edit: Is this a serious thread? I actually think it's Fehzor as well now.

But on a serious note. 000s needs to put a stop to it.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 09:15
#12
Arkode
@arc

xD yeah I was... just wishfull thinking o.O... maybe... I guess there are nice ppl in EoS but yeah...

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 09:17
#13
Vanillateddy's picture
Vanillateddy
Licky licky Vanilla's Picky~!

@paweu

Oh great cuz everyone will just go and run math through there head. not to mention why not <96 then? Oh wait that's right because then it wouldn't be <69

@Arkode
So it begins.
Also I heard this somewhere but i forget where, they should make Mnt. Rushmore animatronic, you know, so it talks and winks and well other stuff..

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 09:28
#14
Arkode
o.o why do people think im fehzor?

WHY? Arkode is my IGN you can see me in haven 6 right now sleeping on the steps.... and if u rlly wanna pursue the matter I have lots of friends who can vouch for me :o

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 09:48
#15
Skyguarder's picture
Skyguarder
Fri, 01/31/2014 - 09:55
#16
Arkode
there now we are all even :D

there now we are all even :D

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 09:52
#17
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Skyguarder

Removed my comment because you removed yours most likely in response to what I said. So it's only fair I do the same in respect for you.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 10:10
#18
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Arkode

Removed as you removed yours.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 09:53
#19
Arkode
@arc

I'm sorry if it came out like that. I posted that in retaliation to skyguarder because his only purpose was not too help but be a smart-aleck. I am genuinely trying to make a difference.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 10:31
#20
Pellipper's picture
Pellipper

Soooooo you think that it should be banned because someone explained it to you? By keeping it discrete do you mean not explaining what <69 means? Because I'm sure most people don't go around explaining it to everyone when they type it.

You also admit to being curious, but even I didn't really care for what it meant when I first saw it, <3 or <69 same thing in my eyes especially when it's used the same way. No need to look for an actual meaning.

And I don't see how doing a Google search of it would be of any harm; it just comes up with the year 69 and a bunch of film review rated 69% on rotton tomatoes. Oh wait did you have safe search off? that's there for a reason you know.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 10:46
#21
Arkode
@pellipperpeperper

first of all, you assumed that I googled it... ( yes I did but your safe search thing is invalid anyways because its not my computer lol ). Second of all your point of view is coming from that of a person who is satisfied with not knowing rendering your opinion invalid. Goodbye im doing UFSC and might not check this thread for a while.

EDIT: oh and btw on safe search a certain Wikipedia link from the google website gives another link to the meaning of 69 refered to in this thread( I just googled it right now so eat that :)

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:04
#22
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Pellipper

Soooooo you think that it should be banned because someone explained it to you? By keeping it discrete do you mean not explaining what <69 means? Because I'm sure most people don't go around explaining it to everyone when they type it.

Don't be a scrub. Do I need to explain every derogatory, obscene, inappropriate word or phrase to you for you to understand it is offensive. If know one told you the f word meant what is means, you probably would be using it to say hello to someone.

You also admit to being curious, but even I didn't really care for what it meant when I first saw it

Well tough. Arkode just explained to everyone what 69 means, if you didn't get it, the first link in google even with all safe searches off comes up with the true meaning of 69. So #dealwithit

The thing is people who are using it are using it for the wrong reason why because this <3 means heart/love. 69 means....well something adult, the two symbols combined together in the way they have used it, suggest they are implying something adult and so 000s should look into it. Mainly because many kids play this game, the people using it are fairly popular and most kids see them as role models. Curiosity kicks in and boom people will start to search it. Believe me if I were a parent, I wouldn't want my kids reading that stuff.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:17
#23
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
I've been wanting to make a

I've been wanting to make a thread that addresses this for a long time. The only thing stopping me was the fact that it would look like I was attacking Echo Of Silence.

That does bring up the question though. How can this issue be addressed without making it appear as if EoS themselves was the actual target? After all, they take claim for introducing "<69" to the community. The innuendos of this have been overlooked for far too long. Why? Maybe because someone shoved a Love Puppy cake in the developer's faces. Or maybe not. Maybe they like that kind of humor and it's too "inconspicuous" to take action against. If that's the case, a lot of words they have banned shouldn't be banned because they aren't "well known" or even commonly known. I can understand why it wouldn't be filtered, as it is just a number, but why don't people on the forums get banned because of it? I can think of someone who could likely get perma banned simply from the amount of times he/she has written it publicly on these forums. The question is why is this sort of offense not taken seriously? 69 is a lot worse than certain words, simply judging from the definition. I can't see why OOO has turned a blind eye to this especially since it has "caught on" and has started a trend. True you can't stop or prevent people from making a bid with 69 in it, but that's completely different than conversation. The Auction House is a place for numbers and measurement, the number has a different meaning there (even if it has the secret innuendo behind it). But chat and the forums are a place where 69 are given a meaning rather than a value. It being used so often brings it to the community's awareness which is just as bad. I'm sure if OOO doesn't want to raise the ban hammer against the offensive party that has brought <69 to the forefront of this community, I'm sure they could give them a warning or even ask politely to stop spreading such trends and that party would comply because they are respectable and decent individuals as a whole.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:22
#24
Cobalt's picture
Cobalt
down with eos

down with eos

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:23
#25
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Sleepy-Hollows

I've been wanting to make a thread that addresses this for a long time. The only thing stopping me was the fact that it would look like I was attacking Echo Of Silence.

That does bring up the question though. How can this issue be addressed without making it appear as if EoS themselves was the actual target? After all, they take claim for introducing "<69" to the community. The innuendos of this have been overlooked for far too long. Why? Maybe because someone shoved a Love Puppy cake in the developer's faces. Or maybe not. Maybe they like that kind of humor and it's too "inconspicuous" to take action against. If that's the case, a lot of words they have banned shouldn't be banned because they aren't "well known" or even commonly known. I can understand why it wouldn't be filtered, as it is just a number, but why don't people on the forums get banned because of it? I can think of someone who could likely get perma banned simply from the amount of times he/she has written it publicly on these forums. The question is why is this sort of offense not taken seriously? 69 is a lot worse than certain words, simply judging from the definition. I can't see why OOO has turned a blind eye to this especially since it has "caught on" and has started a trend. True you can't stop or prevent people from making a bid with 69 in it, but that's completely different than conversation. The Auction House is a place for numbers and measurement, the number has a different meaning there (even if it has the secret innuendo behind it). But chat and the forums are a place where 69 are given a meaning rather than a value. It being used so often brings it to the community's awareness which is just as bad. I'm sure if OOO doesn't want to raise the ban hammer against the offensive party that has brought <69 to the forefront of this community, I'm sure they could give them a warning or even ask politely to stop spreading such trends and that party would comply because they are respectable and decent individuals as a whole

This couldn't have been put any better.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:42
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Rating's picture
Rating
@Cobalt Seconded, eos is the

@Cobalt Seconded, eos is the worst.
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Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:43
#27
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
To further my support of

To further my support of action against 69, I will paste the contents of my support email I just sent to them in regards this issue:

69 and <69 are commonly used by a certain group. It's obvious who. I'm not trying to bring attention to them but rather 69, <69, and their use. The sexual innuendos behind the use of the number sixty-nine are pervasive to the community and while the number as a value is not the problem, the meaning and the usage is. I'm sure you likely know what I'm referring to. If not, you can satisfy your curiosity like the eager 13-16 age group and look it up. Suddenly 69 has a whole new meaning. A gross and perverted meaning. Probably something that would pass in the ESRB rating of "R" (as a scene of course). So why hasn't action been taken against this issue? I can understand that outright banning 69 altogether is not the solution. It does have it's purpose as a number. But it can be easily understood the meaning of it's usage by the context. So discretion would be appropriate for this problem.

69 is so widely used and known in the community by now that it would be difficult to reverse what has been done. I suppose "ex post facto" would be a good solution so that those who have used it in the past would not get banned now. A warning to those who have been reported for the usage of the inappropriate 69 usage would be a justifiable action. I'm sure the likely suspects of the major users of 69 in it's gross context would likely respect these decisions and not pursue using it to avoid a temporary ban.

Action against such negative connotations that 69 could have would be easy as any other situations that deserve discretion. From here on out, I will be reporting the sexual connotations of 69 and it's variables because action needs to be brought against it.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:49
#28
Seiran's picture
Seiran
stahp

uy, if you have to explain or look it up, it's probably not a big deal as OP is making it. Heck, "<69" isn't even an emote for anything. It's just a silly play on "<3", as far as I've seen it used in-game. That's COMPLETELY different from talking about the "number" itself in its other context, let alone posting definitions/pics or what have you.

So I guess it's too late for me now because I already know , right? Wrong! Minors DO play this game and with them comes curiosity , the kind of curiosity that inspires them to innocently pull up a google tab and type it in.

Media with G / PG rating have been using euphemisms to say things that either more mature (or more corrupted) people would understand for the longest time. Now that you're on the other side of the fence, it's easy to get offended, but it generally doesn't mean anything to the "minors" who don't get it. And if it does, look at the context:

Did they tell you to look it up? Are they actually trying to suggest inappropriate things? Did they start they harassing you for your real name and pictures, contact information, or otherwise try to coerce you into an inappropriate situation using that as a starting point? No? Then it's not 'harm'.

That's like saying a bunch of guys in a schoolyard talking about some rated R thing they saw in a movie is them hurting each other. It's not.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:53
#29
Megawatt-King's picture
Megawatt-King
heh

These sure are a lot of walls of text for a troll thread.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:03
#30
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
I don't Price Check no more. I ask for Price Checks

Well I believe if a word/phrase/symbol means something obscene it shouldn't be used. I too will report anyone using it. If 000s don't take action, then I'm sure they won't mind me abbreviating other obscene words as numbers.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:08
#31
Seiran's picture
Seiran
ikr

I feel more trolled reading the serious responses in support of it :;

@AKD:
Context counts way more. You can post offensive, derisive, and inflammatory text without ever bypassing the word filter using completely 'kosher' words, and you can use 'impure' words in a completely benign manner.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:06
#32
Arkode
@mega

That's where you're wrong, I am dead serious and will remain so until this matter is resolved.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:15
#33
Rating's picture
Rating
I think we all just need to

Can't we all just get along? We all have so much love to give <69

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:11
#34
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
@Seiran: Some of us feel

@Seiran: Some of us feel strongly about the issue, so no need to feel trolled by it's "seriousness." Also, might I point out that certain words are filtered that have such an obscure "bad meaning" that I can't even look it up to find out why the word is wrong. In other words, what's wrong with those words if this gets no action?

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:13
#35
Megawatt-King's picture
Megawatt-King
:^)

@Arcknightdelta
@Arkode
You guys are funny.

@Seiran
When in doubt, assume stupidity for ruse.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:23
#36
Feyi-Feyi's picture
Feyi-Feyi

<69

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:26
#37
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
Warning

EOS thread derailment begins.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:32
#38
Fangel's picture
Fangel
Gah...

I find no harm in numbers, but then again I've never been a person to be super concerned about children learning things. Heck I knew about procreation in kindergarten, and it allowed me look past that sort of thing while my peers were just learning about it. If kids want to know something, it's not our job to hide facts from them.

As for everyone here claiming you find a number offensive, that's fine. Great children's shows such as Bill Nye the Science Guy was filled with sexual innuendos. Our case is different, but not necessarily worth the action and resources it would take to enforce. When they say it, you can politely ask them not to say it, and if they continue, then you can report them - much like any other offense.

And whoever said that a number which is an innuendo for "making love" isn't love apparently isn't doing it right.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:38
#39
Seiran's picture
Seiran
:|

@Sleepy-Hollows:
mm..
Many of those words are only used offensively in context, so they're filtered. There's a certain 3-letter word that the British used to use to refer to cigarettes (non-offensive) but is now commonly used as a derogatory slur (offensive). Since the original meaning is rarely used (or... not used at all, in American English), it's assumed to only have its derogatory meaning and is filtered.

Now look at the terms you're trying to call a witchhunt towards right now and tell me they lack a non-offensive context.

"69" is a 2-character number. "I hit 6969 damage in Lockdown" (I have, actually) "Buying 69CE".
"<69" is a silly parody of "<3". "thx guys <69"

You can't use a word filter on it (well, maybe on <69), because it has way more non-offensive uses AND it's such a common string. There's some pattern matching tech which people have used (ex: if 'firetruck' is filtered, you can easily recognize 'firetruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck' as the same word), but there isn't readily-available technology to infer cultural meanings from strings, like "I'm gonna charge my Sudaruska and slam it into your Cradle in front of your Guardians so hard it's going to break the shield and make your Core open".

But hey, if someone ACTUALLY uses it in a way that calls on its 'offensive context', then sure, do what you feel you need to and use the complain feature in-game. That's what it's for.

[edit]
lol @ the suda-cradle, had way more fun typing that out than I should have.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:53
#40
Feyi-Feyi's picture
Feyi-Feyi

I did something creative for you Hollows.

http://bit.ly/1fslih2

Don't worry, it's safe for work.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:03
#41
Blazzberry's picture
Blazzberry
I have no mouth and I need to scream

I don't think many people want to do that number with anyone here.

Y'all are too lewd.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:30
#42
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

@Arkode

Oh, they just think you're one of my many sockpuppets because I had an issue with the whole <69 thing too, when I got in trouble for things that I felt were just as bad if not less so.

Relevant:

"Why isn't referencing to 69/sex/those kinds of things against the rules? I guess I just don't understand the purpose of the whole word filter thing, if concepts are less important than actual terms?"

"Please note that we have to draw a line somewhere so there may be words you think are questionable that we don't take action on unless their used in an inappropriate way. These words are something that you'll want to avoid using in an inappropriate context. This is different than the words Aprhodite linked to which should always be filtered (avoided)." - Cronus

Though I am best known by my first pen name- J.K. Rowling- here is a full list of my sock puppets: (since the cat is out of the bag)
-Hollows
-Arkode
-IronSkullKid
-Seiran
-Njthug
-Nelson Mandela
-Blazzberry
-Jim-Dale
-Kony
-Contri
-Feller
-Katy Perry
-Paweau
-Bopp
-Zeddy
-Eurydice
-Nick
-The Mandarin
-Barack Obama
-Rating
-Batman AND Robin
-Every single member of Jempire

Disclaimer: I do not actually own/use any sock puppets.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:31
#43
Iron-Volvametal's picture
Iron-Volvametal

"-IronSkullKid"

I actually changed my name a while ago.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:32
#44
Ironskullkid's picture
Ironskullkid

But that didn't stop me from Copyrighting it.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:42
#45
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ SK community

Ok. Just to end all this stupidity.

The people who are going to use it let them. We know there is an adult meaning to it so we won't use it. Stop giving people the attention they want. Note I don't have a problem with EOS I don't think anyone does. From in game mail I have received in the past there is a definite problem with some members of EOS. 000s know this. Why action isn't taken I don't know and I don't care.

Spiral knights isn't a game that revolves around one guild so stop making so. It's basically one thing after the other.

Guild, Nightmare, EOS

2-3 years down the line some other guild will get all the headlines. Why? Because that's the mentality of the SK community.

#dealwithit

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:51
#46
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
@Feyi-Feyi: That's why I

@Feyi-Feyi: That's why I didn't make the thread. You guys would not only attack me but take what I said way too personally. You guys need to get off my back already. I try to be decent to you all, I even said in my posts you were respectable individuals (despite all the snide remarks towards me). Lay off already. It's been nearly a year since I committed my offensive act of leaving Echo Of Silence.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:55
#47
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Sleepy-Hollows

If you're going to be scared to stand up for what you believe in then you might as well say you are defeated.

Pathetic.

You made a strong point, stand by it, ignore the hate and move on.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:58
#48
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
I didn't think I was being

I didn't think I was being scared? I'm not sure why you said that. I'm just irritated with how EoS members take every opportunity to try to provoke me.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 14:03
#49
Dragneel-Wiki's picture
Dragneel-Wiki

IMO
The moment you step in the internet, you have no right to complain, whine, and moan about anything you discover.

@AKC:

Welcome to the Helga EoS fanclub. Take a seat beside a friend, and wait for the classes to begin. 1st course will revolve around how you make threads about eos. 2nd course will deal with...

What am I talking about, Eos is dead...

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 14:05
#50
Dragneel-Wiki's picture
Dragneel-Wiki

Hallaws, maybe your obsession with EOS is making you feel that we are provoking you?

idk

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