Because of the way Spiral Knights works, we have no concise way of knowing whether or not OOO intentionally wants Pure damage weapons to fall off the viability ladder at 4* and 5*. I don't know many who use the 5* hammer in Tier 3, but I do know many who would use it in Tier 1 and 2. At that point, they would either sling a DA or Brandy. And then there's the conundrum of Acheron and GF outclassing Flourish against Beasts. Acheron and GF don't outclass Brandies or DA against Constructs, so is it because of the split damage? A theoretical Normal/Piercing sword would be more effective against Beasts than a pure Piercing Sword, because that's just the way they make the game work. Does that mean it should work that way? We don't know. I'm one of those people who just doesn't care, because I'm going to have fun Slug charge-sniping everything anyways.
Can we get rid of the notion that the most used stuff is overpowered?
Couldn't be arsed reading all the walls of texts but I did see Skepticraven say,
I'm saying that in the hands of someone that knows how to use the weapon, it is overpowered.
Here's some proof that that statement is just wrong.
Here is Zeddy, a super rad bomber, beating Vanaduke with Shard Bombs in 15 minutes.
Here is Theirillusion, a super rad swordsman, doing the same thing but with weapons that are supposed to not be able to deal with him in way less time.
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Well, I guess that's proof I'm still not as concise as I could be.
Did I say that all weapons were designed for killing a boss the fastest?
Maybe you should read what else I said about DPS vs utility and see how uninformed your comment above is.
If your definition of OP means strictly DPS, then you still have much to learn about action games.
Not at all. There are several weapons that are super powerful thanks to their crowd control abilities and whatnot but here's the deal, Zeddy used a weapon that has unpredictable knockback and no status. What utility do you think it has, other than being a damage dealer?
Sure, it's probably better vs crowds but so is Acheron. As for the long detonation time of the shards, that might have its uses but I really don't think it's a major pro of the weapon.
Why can't we just have the Retro Sun Shards back? That'll invalidate any complaints I have for a good ten seconds.
How in the heck did I know someone was going to mention the Helix Fossil.
Knockback combined with long timers creates a very interesting dynamic...
Which makes any melee fighter very annoyed if you know where to stand. It is a defensive weapon that if you know where to place the bombs (both in position and time-wise) makes it rather difficult for melee attackers to hit you. It is a very defensive weapon in that regard.
Okay, that's a good point. Still, beating Vana with good execution and an effective weapon in 15 minutes is just not okay.
@Skeptic
Ah ,ok. My bad, didnt understand lol.
But in that case,.....actually, i forgot what we were talking about.
Anyways, Iron slug is epic (as demonstrated by retequizzle in LD).
Just say something like "Iron Slug suvks" when youre playing with her and she will get all over you with it
You're confusing the tool for the player.
Agreed with Serian and others who have already made that point. Just because Illusion can beat vana with DR and acheron, or Rete can dominate LD with an Iron slug, doesn't mean those weapons are equal to their more powerful counterparts.
Equip some armor that's not class armor or Chaos
Ok, I will use my dread skelly helm and armor.
a sword besides a brandish, hammer, toothpick
Fine with me, I'll just use my Divine-
or Sealed Sword, and another non-"clone" weapon.
Never mind then. I am however working on getting a Sudaruska, a winmillion, and a WHB though.
You know, I'm beginning to think that this whole discussion is baloney! So what if Acheron is overused!? Stop using it, then!
I have solo'd Vana with a DVS and a Callahan. You may say that "Others have done that. They were skilled."
Let me tell you that I SUCK at Vana. He is HARD for me. He is harder than DANGER MISSIONS for me. HE IS HARD FOR ME! AND I SOLO'D HIM WITH THE WEAPON YOU GUYS SAY SUCKS!
"You used a bunch of Sparks, didn't you?"
I used two, thank you very much. Is two too many? I don't believe it is...