Actually curious, I can be in Auction 2 Haven, want me to still meet you there?

Bloody christ, let's not argue people. God.

If you hate this game so much why post here? Why dont you go play all these other games you talk about?

I really do not understand posts like this. It's simply pure ignorance.

^Not really if players are being completely negative say they quit and comeback to post rants its not helping out the community all they wish to due is stir up drama over the internet =).

The reason they are here is because they have once liked this game, and it no longer pleases them as much anymore, because of recent changes or the lack of content. The Haven Expansion was nice? Sure, to you, but it's pretty obvious that the majority of the community did not like it. It was a good change in general, however the way they had implemented it was terrible and they could have done different changes that would have better results.
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Patience is a virture you can either wait for the changes or move onto these other games. Every game has its flaws if you wish to talk about Runescape they went down for a bit, and came back up due to the new updates, its a game which is never-ending in a sense, but was made from Runescape Classic which was basically Runescape Beta in a sense...Runescape still has many flaws just like Spiral Knights. I agree they should of gave us a warning or something, but the only reason they did not is because they did not want players to take advantage craft all these 5* items and 4* so they can charge people like 4k or 8k ce for an item what is not worth it.

But you see, the reason those members come back and continue "complaining" is because that no matter what, they still remember this game. They used to love the game. They have faith in this game. They want to see it succeed.
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Love happens from someone who played less than 1 month being active? Complaining on every small thing and belittling the dev's over what? something that is a luxury item? Using cookie cutter items? Majority of the complainers have not even explored this game fully at all if you complain there is a lack of content yes, I agree I wish they added more maps and such, but there still a lot of content which many players take for granted because they just like to use the "cookie cutter" style of playing.

But the recent updates aren't helping to the success of the game. They are, if anything, harming the game. (or rather, the community)
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More in my view getting rid of the two week players and allowing more quality players to play this game.

Those players keep coming back to see if anything was done. If nothing was done, they comment and complain about it, (which ends up being pointless because there's already countless threads on it but whatever) but honestly, not even because the problems are still around - It's more of because the developers never give any concrete answers with detailed explanations on recent updates. (except for wtfwtf_ok. I love you, man.)
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Most developers for any game do not give you concrete details especially in the new stages of a game.

Additionally, the Heat Amplifier: This isn't something you can even argue with: It WAS terribly implemented. 800CE is way too much for such a small increase. It was supposed to be for players with less time to play; But with the ridiculously small time limit of 48 hours, and considering it isn't on game time, it completely defeats the point of being for players with less time to play, because they'd pretty much be forced to find time and ragegrind for two days, otherwise the Amplifier is pretty much wasted. (to actually get some kind of profit from it, you'd have to do at least 10 full runs - essentially about 20 hours. The point in here isn't profit however, but even something like 5 runs/10 hours would still be a lot to such members without much time, except on weekends, holidays, or the such) Honestly, if it lasted one or two days longer, or was in in-game hours, (probably reduced duration for this) it'd probably be a great item and people would actually use it. But as it is right now, I don't think players will really be using it.
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I am a player with less time it easily fits my needs. I do wish it would be in-game hours and I wish the trinkets were like that, but I dont think Three Rings would implement that since in my own business perspective all those trinkets, weapon slots, and heat amp's is something you wish to WANT not need to do well in the game, so they can pretty much charge an average value what they feel is fair.

Myself, I still say they rushed too much with the game's release. It was plain depressing to come back from the preview and see that literally no content was added. They should have certainly held back the launch before they had a good amount of content, mainly endgame content - Endgame players get bored of the game very easily.
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I agree with you I was expecting they would of added a lot more with the game release. At least have the core done, but when I came back I was disappointed in Three Rings. I remember when someone told me before they posted that this game will launch soon, I was like "now way impossible they have so much more work to do".

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"Do you have all the armors, helms, shields, guns, bombs, and swords (Maxed out, with uv's, and all the achievements?)"

~Dude, get a life. Seriously, what are u, a stamp collector?

^Lol says the person who quits a game and comes back to rant? Regardless, you have not attempted to try out all the content different armor sets combo's, weapons etc. You most likely only beat Vanna one time and thought you beat this game, so you sir just like to finish things half____.

@Drunkenfox - I do not wish to comment on what you say since you think LOL is a good game when it clearly is not because it is not compatible to MAC. =)

Correct.

Also LoL is not such a great game. It's decent, but very far from great. Ever played Lotro or WoW? Those are good games. LoL does not compare at all.

Dino it sounds like you have a grasp on what's going on and you lifted the stupid blinders. Yay!

@Njthug

i play LoL on my mac. it just takes 10 mins to figure it out but i guess for you it would take longer. anyway it is still a great game has better and more content than this game and it releases more content faster than u can acquire it, and the most important aspect of all ITS F2P 100% completely and people that use cash doesnt get any considerable advantage over F2P gamers. more than can be said about this game

if you ever go to LoL forums you'll notice something very funny....no1 rants about the real cash currency EVER because its perfect. so why does people complain so much about that in this game? because OOO is a greedy company and squeezes so much money out of the brainless rich kids (like you) screwing the F2P gamers (like me)

you also claim that other people doesnt know how to make money in this game, and say "i wont tell you how because thats not fun" im pretty sure you dont know any cleaver tricks to earn tons of money either (pretty damn obvious) just say that as a counter argument on how difficult is to progress as a F2P player.

arguments based on information that cant be confirmed are biased...your whole post is not valid...

side note: i love how you post "=)" so often...like a boxer lifting his arms after each round and then losing for KO

Point me to which forum rules, I can't quite figure out which he's not abiding by. I think that is the second time that was an "argument" in this thread.

Also, point 3 is moot, Drunkefox was talking about SK, not RS.

1: there is bootcamp
2: that is for veterans of the game newcomers dont have the big advantage of had got 5* stuff before all this marvelous updates were implemented
3: i dont play Runescape never did and prolly wont so i dont really care if your are a no-life on that game too
4: BS
5: BS again =)
6: try positioning yourself on a newcomers shoes, the reason people defend this updates is because they already got to end game and dont really care about the newbies
7: your already agreeing with us so that makes me thing that the only thing that holds you from admitting the facts is pure spite

"Patience is a virture you can either wait for the changes or move onto these other games. Every game has its flaws if you wish to talk about Runescape they went down for a bit, and came back up due to the new updates, its a game which is never-ending in a sense, but was made from Runescape Classic which was basically Runescape Beta in a sense...Runescape still has many flaws just like Spiral Knights. I agree they should of gave us a warning or something, but the only reason they did not is because they did not want players to take advantage craft all these 5* items and 4* so they can charge people like 4k or 8k ce for an item what is not worth it."

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Patience? so you mean we are right but we should just give them more time? they already had 3 years you know.... (here your agreeing that the game is full of flaws)
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"Love happens from someone who played less than 1 month being active? Complaining on every small thing and belittling the dev's over what? something that is a luxury item? Using cookie cutter items? Majority of the complainers have not even explored this game fully at all if you complain there is a lack of content yes, I agree I wish they added more maps and such, but there still a lot of content which many players take for granted because they just like to use the "cookie cutter" style of playing. "

^ who are you to say some1 cant fall in love at first sight? or in 1 month? you cant argue than that doesnt happen so your argument is biased (here you agree there is a lack of content)
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"More in my view getting rid of the two week players and allowing more quality players to play this game."

^ i would say that quality players can differentiate a good game from a bad game in less that 2 weeks so here you hit your own face XD (you agree that this changes drive away new players which is bad for the game itself)
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"Most developers for any game do not give you concrete details especially in the new stages of a game."

^ Oh i love LoL you can tell~~ here we go. LoL releases patch notes and patch preview videos giving detailed information WITH NUMBERS!! on what changes are being made for the game in the next patch =). (here you contradict yourself, you said they should have gave us a warning on 4*5* bind and now you said that thats not what devs should do)
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"I agree with you I was expecting they would of added a lot more with the game release. At least have the core done, but when I came back I was disappointed in Three Rings. I remember when someone told me before they posted that this game will launch soon, I was like "now way impossible they have so much more work to do".

^ you agree i agree
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"I do not wish to comment on what you say since you think LOL is a good game when it clearly is not because it is not compatible to MAC. =)"

^ they are releasing a mac server just as SK is releasing a unbind shop =)
even if it were compatible with mac i would run it on boot camp cus Mac cant handle games as well as Windows. and btw does juice tastes different depending on the shape of the glass? (i hope you understand the metaphor...unless you have a parrots mental capabilities)

ADDED: provide me information on SK, show me its possible to make that much CE for a F2P newcomer and i'll acknowledge you as being right (other that just spending $100 on the game,)

It's funny how I like bloodline champions and spiral knights about equally much (gameplay wise), but SK gives me no reason to keep playing or spend money. Oh well I did spend twice as much time on SK already, though they removed 1/3 of the stuff I spent my time on. (and 1/3 of the time I stand around using the game as irc replacement)

Tiv what is this bloodline Champion's you speak of?

@Njthug
"Okay play for 1 month on mist energy farm your runs sell your mats to vendors if you can not find sellers to gain crowns, and then if you are lucky you run into a nice player who gives you free stuff, but if you do not have that luck you have to find a good guild to join. Save all your money from runs and such do not buy 1* to 3* recipes have people craft it for you so you cutdown costs easily. Now for the next 3 months live off of your mist energy as well and keep on saving. You will be able to get 15k Ce sooner or later all it takes is 1 hour a day not dying in runs to gain heat and items and some luck =)."

^ this is your way to get 15kCE as a new comer? a 3 months plan limiting your game play to 1 hour a day? sooner or later?...what was the title of this thread again... oh yea "Spiral Knights is a bit too limited" and you inserted the luck factor too much so this plan is full of flaws...if this is the easy way to get CE i dont want to know the hard way (GEZUZ)

now after 5 mins of google i found out there is a way to play LoL native on mac, but you will be playing on the European server. and they are releasing an American server native for mac, so all Riot games needs more time. But compared to spiral knights, you can tell that Riot games are actually working on their game. they have released roughly 15 champions, 40 skins and 10 new items in the course of 6 months. spiral knights has released hell idk 30 new items an auction house (which should have been there since before release but w/e) status effects and a training hall (again should have been there since before release) in the course of 3 years.... gee i think LoL is better...

"Sorry, I dont fit in their shoes."
of course not, rich kinds only pay cash and achieve 5* gear in 2 weeks or less.

LoL is better and the only counter argument you have against that is that it is not compatible with Mac, not being compatible with one system doesnt make the game less awesome XD and being compatible with both systems doesnt give Spiral Knights more content or make OOO less money hunger
so in short- Spiral Knights its horrible and LoL its awesome =)

but letting LoL and Mac aside your posts are really difficult to read dude....do you have to copy and paste everything? make your points more consistent
learn to post effectively in forums then come back, and another thing dont reply please cus all your arguments are baseless and obviously thoughtless all your doing is giving excuses now and refuting facts...a never ending cycle in which i give facts and you give opinions or baseless information.

now if you excuse me ima go make 15k ce in 4 months... sooner or later....if im lucky....

holy crap only 7 people???
Jesus then all the money they had milked away from players such as Njthug that buy overpriced and useless items such as the heat amplifier and spend 20-100 $$$ per moth over the course of 3 years is only to pay 7 salaries? Jesus Christ they must be filthy rich!! and how is the game still too fresh? its been out since 09...

now i kinda have to call you a lier on this...would SEGA affiliate with a 7 man crew company? doubt it. even if i were to give you the benefit of the doubt and say yes to the 7 man company, there is no way they dont have the money to hire more personal.... we already established that the game was popular before this awful updates and people used to spend between 20-50 $ a month now multiply this by the number of P2P players back then. or better yet look at the game itself, it has been said in this threat that there is players with ridiculous amounts of CE, now what is CE? CE is cash that was expended on the game.

CE in players pockets +
CE used to craft items +
CE used in clockworks (elevators, revives) +
CE used in special items (weapon slots,trinkets) = a tremendous sht load of CE / 3500 X 10$ = a huge sht load of money / 7 = huge salary

it cannot be calculated @_@

note: the post above is not meant to be taken serious since the mere idea of a company consisting of 7 members and being affiliated to a big name videogame making company such as SEGA is ridiculous

side note: imo SEGA is a horrible company too but for different reasons not concerning SK but thats off topic

we are not comparing LoL with WoW or Lotro here.... in any case if LoL being not as good as WoW or lotro (which i dont know since i never played those games before) that doesnt make SK better does it? it just shows that SK is the bottom of the gaming pyramid... in other words you just said that WoW and Lotro are godly above SK and i agree to some extend

note: this post is not meant to be taken serious since it is an off topic comparation between other games not related to SK

@Drunkefox: The game was only released to the general public two months ago. Before that, it was just a small community of beta testers.

Also, there are more expenses than just workers salaries. Three Rings does employ more than 7 people (but not a lot more: http://www.threerings.net/about/crew.html), however, SK is being exclusively developed by a small team within the company. They also have a long history of these kind of games, particularly with the success of Puzzle Pirates. So no, it is not outlandish to believe a small independent game company managed to gain the attention of a larger one looking to invest and form a partnership.

Actually read up about it before making your assumptions - the information is all there, you just have to look for it. :)

.... well then OOO is a real stuped company....investors are supposed to give money and dont take money back until the company in which they invested that money is able pay it back with due interest... not try to squeeze money out of such company "2 months" (as u said) after release.... what kind of invest is that? you dont help an old lady get up then push her back down before she's got on her feet.....

they shouldnt have accepted SEGA's help then, its only ruining the game... if what you say its true then here is how i suppose the situation is

SK is born, SEGA offers an investment, SK accepts, 2 months later SEGA is already asking for its money back, in a desperate attempt to get money SK releases a series of "Updates" to the game, this updates piss off the players, SK player base drops and thus CE sales drop, SK dies.

^dramatization

could this be what is really happening? SEGA didnt even provide enough support for OOO to get a decent number of members to work in the game?

find out! tomorrow night 23hrs pacific 00hrs center

I don't know their company situation, but this isn't OOO's flagship title.
Also, I think you should learn how a publishing deal works.

Where the hell did you get three years from?

It's had like, four preview events.
The first three weren't even long enough to count as betas.
The last one lasted about five or six months.
They were spread out quite far between.

Also, I don't think you understand the magnitude of coding a complete game engine from scratch.
Especially in Java.
That's something that could have taken a normal team of programmers a year on it's own.

I mean I'm not trying to make excuses I'm just giving people the facts.
This is a small team from an independent company, undertaking a massive project and going mainstream for the first time.

What do you expect?
Blizzard?

ok then the team is small w/e thats an excuse but that doesnt give the game more content
now what does this 7 man crew does with their time? mess up the basic rules of the game in order to exploit more money out of the gamers?

now if they had "events" that you speak off if the first one was back on 09 that means the game was already playable back then...so they were already working on their game, evenst doesnt meant that they only work on the game during the events...obviously they work the full 3 years, more so during those long periods of time in between events is when the game should have grown the most right?

lets not get off topic anymore